Hell's temperature just hit 32 degrees.

[Ironwood]

Because then we can shave you.

[raydeen]

Because then we can shave you.

Never. Sleeping. Again.

[Sky]

Just loaded XP onto my mac mini + dell 2005fpw. Getting odd looks from coworkers because I can't stop chuckling maniacally. Runs both OSes great, though I can't imagine gaming would be any good on a mini. When we get in the MBP or iMac...maybe some testing is called for.

[Trippy]

Be careful with Boot Camp, you may not be able to boot OS X after repartitioning and installing Windows:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=432603&tstart=0

[Sky]

It's been working great. Everything is working flawlessly in both OSes and I'm wicked happy with it. So happy to be rid of the clunky G4 I was on. It's very fast, scrolling is lag-less (I got scrolling lag a lot with my G4/700 1GB RAM, I have the 1.66GHz Duo/1GB RAM now).

I still end up using OSX, though.

That thread....do these people understand what BETA means? Did they read the bit about not using it on a production system and making backups of all data? They really have no grounds on which to bitch, just submit the issues to the beta mail address like any other testing. lolinternet and whatnot.

[Pococurante]

If anything Apple opening up the Mac world to XP is going to broaden their market and slowly increase demand for more product - that's the beauty of what is in effect a very cheap investment in a boot loader.

Apple has known this literally since the mid-1980s and didn't pursue it because a a small number of stockholders with significant interest liked their cash cow.  I remember my amusement as I'd go to work each day and read posts by IBM mainframers on the internal forums about how they didn't want "toy computer adventurism" to cut into their stock dividends, and at night read the same comments by Mac investors in the trade rags.

QEMM and the DOS 6 memory manager never did as good a job. Besides, it was kinda fun. It was like playing Tetris in RAM. :)

Always nice to know I have fellow mini-game lovers... :)  I generally enjoyed the exercise too.

[raydeen]

Tell me how plausible you fellers think this scenario is: Boot Camp is reversed in a few months (maybe a year) so that OS X can load on generic PCs. I'm predicting Vista is going to be an absolute consumer and IT nightmare (7 different versions and tons of DRM) and Apple will see the chance to invade the rest of the x86 market. And since Leopard will include Boot Camp, the rest of the world will be able to keep their existing Windows install and pay much less for teh new and shiney. Developers would see a larger and growing OS X user base and perhaps begin to develop more for the platform. Apple would hopefully see increased revenues and eventually be able to lower their system prices thus bringing more true believers into the fold over another year or two. Mulder and I want to believe. What think ye of my delusions?

[Trippy]

It's possible but if it does happen it won't be generic PCs -- it'll be very specific hardware that Apple, Intel, and somebody like Dell will spec out a la the "CHRP" platform that Apple and Motorola came up with a while back (which was one of the first things Jobs canned when he came back to Apple). The thing about the Apple Experience is that things "just work" and a large part of why that is is Apple's tight control over the hardware. If you allow OS X to run on anything willy nilly then you end up with all the support problems that Windows-based machines have today.

[raydeen]

I still say they could do it. Linux does it on both platforms. Maybe I've been lucky and never really had any truely weird systems that Linux couldn't handle. I've just been really amazed at how well the regular and live distros just boot and find everything. Worst time I ever had was having to manually tell Fedora 3 that there was indeed a PCMCIA network card in an ancient IBM Thinkpad and that it should be activated. Fedora raised an eyebrow but did it anyway and we were both very happy. I installed Ubuntu the other day on an iBook and the only thing it didn't find was the airport card because Apple never released the specs on it (imagine that). Now that they releasaed drivers for the new Mactels, I'm sure the hacker community could use those as references for what ever is out there. But then I spend most of my day talking out my backside and typing nonsence in forums.

[Pococurante]

I'm predicting Vista is going to be an absolute consumer and IT nightmare (7 different versions and tons of DRM) and Apple will see the chance to invade the rest of the x86 market.
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What think ye of my delusions?

[Lantyssa]