AQ opened on Medivh

[cevik]

Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but if you were, you shouldn't have been.

:)

Okay.. the rogue bitching has simply gone to far.. cry me a river..

[MrHat]

pretty sure it has to be applied 5 times for those numbers to work

Yeah, and rogues RARELY hit a person 5 times! :p

It's more like 25.  And for it to reach it's maximum potency, it has to be within 11s.

[Rasix]

pretty sure it has to be applied 5 times for those numbers to work

Yeah, and rogues RARELY hit a person 5 times! :p

Proc rate isn't a hundred percent (30). And no rogues I know really use deadly poison, instant is what I've seen being use as a damage poison.  A  Did you wake up on the n00b side of the bed this morning?

I think the point people are trying to make here, is that some classes get their staple abilities upgraded while others get crap that is either a) useless or b) not especially needed.  I'm not sure rogues should bitch though considering they got an upgrade to both backstab and feint.

Wasn't the purpose of the new book drops to make certain abilties scale better with the game at 60?  No abilties I've seen yet seem rather game-breaking.  Hell, at least my healing wave will now be more mana efficient for the 1% of the time I use it.

[cevik]

I'm not sure rogues should bitch though considering they got an upgrade to both backstab and feint.

My point.

EDIT:  The Shadowbolt upgrade for locks is just as useless as the deadly poison upgrade.  I can get a 30 damage to my gloves, a +25 damage upgrade to my shadowbolt this patch.. it's the SAME upgrade as rank 10 shadowbolt but costs no extra mana.  Hell I got blue boots and gloves last night that gave me about the same upgrade as the shadowbolt upgrade, at no extra mana cost.  The "upgrade" is, for the most part, about as effective as deadly poison rank 5.  In fact, I'd much rather have had the corruption upgrade shorten the duration of corruption to 12 seconds (but keep the damage the same) than have gotten the silly shadowbolt upgrade..

You guys are crying like little bitches over a stupid little upgrade that is worse than a good portion of the upgrades already in the game.

[Rasix]

It's not quite as trivial as you're thinking.  Most warlocks in my guild would choke out a blood relative to get an extra 30 damage to their shadowbolt which didn't come from their gear.

[cevik]

It's not quite as trivial as you're thinking.  Most warlocks in my guild would choke out a blood relative to get an extra 30 damage to their shadowbolt which didn't come from their gear.

This doesn't mean most of the warlocks in your guild are right.

[Rasix]

The sky is blue.

[cevik]

The sky is blue.

Just because you guys are being whiney asses over a fairly minor upgrade, doesn't mean I'm trying to be contrary.

EDIT:  I'll trade this upgrade for the ability to get better and better epic weapons that consistently and uniformly and exponentially upgrade my spell damage..

[MrHat]

cevik, I'm completely not following you.

+30 damage to shadowbolt +30 damage to shadowbolt from items = +60 to shadowbolt right?

I don't actually know the stats, I just wish that hunters had gotten an upgrade to a skill they don't use much like rogues did.

[Ironwood]

I wasn't bitching.  I was just making a point about the proc rate of our poisons.  Personally, until I read this thread I didn't even know there were books.  I'm still a little amazed.

Hey, ho.

[cevik]

+30 damage to shadowbolt +30 damage to shadowbolt from items = +60 to shadowbolt right?

Sure.. but +30 to shadowbolt from items == 0 mana cost.  +30 to shadowbolt from a new rank means 10 more mana per cast.. so in the long run, if they had added an item that added +30 damage instead of a spell, I would have been better off..

In the mean time, they constantly add new items for rogues that increase their damage without using more energy.. they call them weapons..

So in the long run, I can't see why rogues would bitch over a 30 point increase to shadowbolt..

[Morfiend]

Usually I agree with you civik, but in this case you are pretty wrong. Its another case of bad itemization by the devs.

Warlocks got 3 or their staple spells upgraded. Rogues got Feint upgraded, which is basically worthless, a decent rogue is 100% fine with the current faint. There is no need for an upgrade. Deadly poison is used so rarely, its a joke. a lot of rogue skills rely on disoreant abilities, sap, blind, gouge (a major one) so in a lot of cases having dots on the target is a bad thing. Also, crippling poison is so important for a rogue to not get kited, there is almost no reason not to use it. Mind numbing is ok for duels, and would poison is good for battlegrounds when playing in a team, but deadly is really only good for 1v1 vs other rogues, and even then, crippling is better.
Backstab is nice, but that only effects about 60% of rogues.

They should have done Eviserate, which is in HORRIBLE need of some kind of upgrade, and this was the perfict oppertunity. Also Sinister Strike. I believe the highest level of Eviserate is lvl 52, and Sinister Strike is lvl 54.

Now, I am not unhappy about what warlocks got, I think its perfict, I just think the devs dropped the ball on the rogue books. I am speaking as a lvl 60 rogue, and a lvl 60 warlock.

[MrHat]

Morph, exactly what I wanted to say.

I actually do think they mentioned at some point (pulling this from a very bad memory) that there is an upgrade to eviscerate in a book, just not sure where that might be.

[cevik]

Usually I agree with you civik, but in this case you are pretty wrong. Its another case of bad itemization by the devs.

Listen.. normally I let this shit slide, but I'm getting tired of it..

IT'S CEVIK

CEVIK.

CEVIK goddamnit.. can't you people read?

Okay.. now that we have that out of the way:

Yes.. you are exactly right, this is happening because of bad itemization by the devs, but not for the whiney ass reasons you rogues think it is.. The casters have been on the short end of the stick with all the crazy bad itemization that is occuring in the game.. we don't get better and better spells to compete with the crazy good weapons that are coming out for melees.  Every weapon you get makes your damage significantly increase, our 'upgrades' are not capable, nor have they ever been capable of competing..

The devs, in their infinite wisdom, decided the best solution was to give new ranks of spells that drop as epic equipment.  But, to combat the inevitable bitching by the melee's, they gave new ranks of skills for EVERY class.. Now you are bitching because your "upgrades" aren't as good as the lock's upgrades.. so all I can say to you is this:

Go fucking look up the daggers and swords that will be dropping in AQ40, then shut the fuck up.

[Ironwood]

Which would have been a good point had you made it at the start.

:)

[cevik]

Which would have been a good point had you made it at the start.

:)

EDIT:  I'll trade this upgrade for the ability to get better and better epic weapons that consistently and uniformly and exponentially upgrade my spell damage..

In the mean time, they constantly add new items for rogues that increase their damage without using more energy.. they call them weapons..

[Dren]

Hey that celtivk makes a lot of sense.  +damage from skills takes more mana, +damage from weapons doesn't.

Thanks civek!



 

[Ironwood]

 can't you people read?

Apparently not.

[WindupAtheist]

I quit playing WoW ages ago, but I still read this forum from time to time.  Keep in mind that I never played past 39, that this was pretty much my only experience with a Diku MMO, and that much of what I'm hearing in this thread is thus alien to me.  Okay, all that having been said...

Holy shit, you people pay money for this?

I mean, go ahead and rag on my chosen game all you like, God knows there are enough reasons.  But at least I've never been in a guild for any reason other than the fact that I happened to like most of the people in it.  I've never been in, or until now even heard of, a guild that would throw you out for not having leet enough gear.  And I've certainly never been anywhere near a guild that would require you to be on for certain periods of time.

This thread has made it more apparent that this style of game is not for me than my 39 levels ever did.

[Zetor]

I agree with civek, but keep in mind that +30 sb + shadow mastery (*1.1) + ruin crit (*2) + shadow vuln (*1.2) + curse of shadows (*1.1) + shadow priest debuff (*1.15) = 100.1 damage. Of course this is VERY rare (and requires a 30/0/21 build), yet it does happen in raid situations. Still not near as powerful as the "dark edge of insanity" axe though.

(you could also sub in the 15% demonic sac bonus, then the 10% succubus MD bonus if you're 0/30/21 and use the sacrifice+jumper cables exploittrick)


-- Z.

[cevik]

I mean, go ahead and rag on my chosen game all you like, God knows there are enough reasons.  But at least I've never been in a guild for any reason other than the fact that I happened to like most of the people in it.  I've never been in, or until now even heard of, a guild that would throw you out for not having leet enough gear.  And I've certainly never been anywhere near a guild that would require you to be on for certain periods of time.

I'm in one of the "best" pvp guilds on my server (we have a constant waiting list of people who are begging to get into the guild) and I've never been in a guild for any reason than the fact that I happen to like most of the people in it.  I've never been in a guild that would throw you out for not having leet enough gear (in fact, when people don't have good gear, we get them the gear, either out of the guild bank or by running instances until they have good gear).  I've also never been in a guild that requires you to be on for certain periods of time.  We do require that you be "good" at pvp before we invite you to the guild.. but we gather that info by grouping with you and seeing if we notice you doing well in bgs.. and if you aren't "good" you won't be kicked from the guild, you'll just never be invited to join (though exceptions will most likely occur eventually, pretty much everyone in the guild is pretty fucking amazing atm.. cept me of course, I suck)..

I have been in a guild that requires a certain amount of effort from every guild member, but that was in Shadowbane and that was because Shadowbane required the team work together in order to succeed, which in itself was a fun gameplay element (we had a guild tax, because the city was used by all, and in return all of us paid for it).

[Threash]

I mean, go ahead and rag on my chosen game all you like, God knows there are enough reasons.  But at least I've never been in a guild for any reason other than the fact that I happened to like most of the people in it.  I've never been in, or until now even heard of, a guild that would throw you out for not having leet enough gear.  And I've certainly never been anywhere near a guild that would require you to be on for certain periods of time.

Not a single one of the MC/BWL guilds on my server does any of those things, in fact ive never heard of any guild that does.

[Merusk]

There is ONE (1) guild on my server like that.  However, the troll who runs it is a despodic little shit with an ego about twice the size Furor's ever was and 1/5th the talent.  Reading his guild's website is a joke unto itself, since it's all about "I require" and "I need people who..."   I honestly don't know why anyone would follow him, since he's not doing server firsts, there's plenty of other guilds doing the same content and the gear I've seen on the guild as a whole is only marginally better than my own (nothing BWL, only a few with more than one or two MC pieces.)

But as a whole, yah, despite the catass nature of raids, instancing means that you DON'T have to put-up with dicks like that unless you like being a little sycophant.

[ClydeJr]

Ahn'Qiraj Weapon Screenshots
Edit: Armor Sets and more weapons

[cevik]

Holy crap, I never knew there was an inbrowser version of wow.. now I can play it all day at work too!!!!

http://www.partingvisions.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=78

P.S.:  Eat shit and die you whiney ass rogues, go fucking look at those new weapons you get, then take my 30 more points of shadowbolt damage (at a cost of 10 mana!) and shove it up your ass.. fuckers..

[Furiously]

That is some interesting graphics for those new armor/weapon sets. They....all look the same. And I don't really personally find them visually attractive.

However, they do seem to keep a theme.

[Paelos]

The armor is ugly. Some of the weapons are hideous while a few have a nice flare.

On a side note, the shaman armor makes them look like giant hermit crabs.

[SurfD]

The Plate sets remind me of Beetle Borgs.

Personally, the only set I actually think looks good from those screenies is the Shaman one, the rest all look dumb.

[Rasix]

AQ20 was a lot of fun for the first 3 bosses I did.  Frenetic, tough boss fights (initially) without a lot of trash mobs in between. We didn't even bother sticking around for the world event for more than half an hour.

I love new content. 

[MrHat]

lol.

[bhodi]

As promised, the GLORIOUS new deathdealer armor:

[Margalis]

Wow...all those images are horrendous. Generic armor with spikes on the shoulders...

[Ironwood]

Hideous.  Absolutely hideous.

[Zetor]

It might look hideous, but jebus... that axe is flippin' insane. 87 dps (+70 attack power), proccing a deathcoil effect... I wonder how often it procs.

It must be hard as heck to backstab someone with that dagger. :P Then again in blizzard-land, the less sane a weapon looks, the more damage it does. (same with armor on females... platemail thong > full plate leggings).


-- Z.

[Ironwood]

Yeah, that's pretty much the conversation I had with the wife.  A dagger with a base damage of 101 for Ambush would be insane. 

But the fact is the Artists on these new items are just totally smoking the crack pipe.  Each set just manages to outdo the other in total image stupidity.  How the hell can anyone lift that dagger ?