AQ opened on Medivh

[Soukyan]

Why does everyone think that in order to do high end content you MUST join one of the guilds currently doing it?  You don't have to leave your guild, just find more people that aren't total retards and tada you got your own guild full of friends capable of doing raids.  There isn't a set number of guilds that are allowed to raid, there are a lot more people getting to 60 now than there where before and there will be even more next week and the week after that.

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3532

(link courtesy of n3rfed)

That was quite funny. I thought this picture from their front page was hilarious:

[cevik]

I'm in an old guild. We've lost people to uber guilds because they didn't want to wait on us to get there. Currently, if those people hadn't left, our guild could be doing these events, but instead the numbers keep moving because people jump ship. That's what pisses me off. It's the taking the easy route and not even bothering to tell people until one day when they log on and you're in another guild.

I understand if you have a bunch of friends who never log on in primetime and never want to raid and have no ambitions of trying to do any upper level stuff. It's the type that leave when you're trying to build something that piss me off. I over-generalized with my first post because people have gotten under my skin about this. It's the me me me me attitude of MMOG's that drives me nuts.

Well for the most part I agree (though with the caveat that some people don't actually LIKE building a guild up, and some people don't have time to build a guild up, so it seems rather unfair that they would be required to pay for a game to help build your guild up when they don't even want to do it)..

If the guild I left had been in the "we're going to raid/pvp regularly some day, we just need to build a team to do it phase" I would never have left, I'd be there to support my friends in a heartbeat.  But they are currently in the "well.. we can add a few people to the guild if we run into anyone that we group with 5 or 6 times and we really like, but I don't want to risk growing the guild with people we'll end up not liking" phase.  Now at face value I agree with that sentiment whole heartedly.. the problem is:  NONE OF THEM EVER GROUP WITH ANYONE EVER.  It's 10 solo players that want to grow the guild only through grouping with people a few times, but they want to do it without grouping.. The math never quite worked out in my head..

[MrHat]

[Tale]

My favourite was this:

[Lantyssa]

Interesting.. I just left my casual chat room full of real life friends guild with one character (the rest are still in that guild) so that he could join a l33t pvp team I had been fighting with for quite some time, and about half the people I left had the same reaction as this.  The others were just fine with it.

Did you explain it to them as you did here, at length, or did you keep it short so what they heard was, "Hey.  You guys aren't doing it for me, so I am going to join this guild over here.  Toodles."?  Delivery makes a difference, especially in a situation like this that some people get a little sensitive over.

If they still act hurt, try to explain it again and maybe they'll understand.  Some people will always treat it as an affront, and in that case there is not much you can do other than continue being reassuring that you like them or putting it behind you and forgetting about them.

[cevik]

Did you explain it to them as you did here, at length, or did you keep it short so what they heard was, "Hey.  You guys aren't doing it for me, so I am going to join this guild over here.  Toodles."?  Delivery makes a difference, especially in a situation like this that some people get a little sensitive over.

If they still act hurt, try to explain it again and maybe they'll understand.  Some people will always treat it as an affront, and in that case there is not much you can do other than continue being reassuring that you like them or putting it behind you and forgetting about them.

You mean:

/g laterz n00bz
/gleave

Isn't good enough?  Damnit.. :(

[Lantyssa]

Well, "good enough" depends how much you really like them.  :-D

I can assume you said more than that, but I was not there.  I know I often shorten explainations to my own friends because I think they'll understand.  At which point they get all angsty on me because they didn't.

[El Gallo]

Nothing says "I care -- I have to leave but I'll always love you" like "L8R"

[Zetor]

The currently #1 CR alliance uberguild's founders did the classiest thing ever.
It was a MC run with their old guild on Ner'zhul (1 day before the transfers opened up)... a random mob drops belt of prophecy, one of them loots it, says "later bitches" and leaves the group, followed by a /gquit. They transferred to our server the next day...
(... and became the #1 alliance raid guild in short order, and the first to kill nefarian. Karma? Say whaaa? :P)


-- Z.

[Azazel]

What kind of person goes for a guild because of the content they have access to instead of the people in the guild?

all too fucking many of them.

[Margalis]

What kind of person goes for a guild because of the content they have access to instead of the people in the guild?

When you get right down to it, isn't that the entire point of a lot of guilds? Content access?

[Fabricated]

What kind of person goes for a guild because of the content they have access to instead of the people in the guild?

When you get right down to it, isn't that the entire point of a lot of guilds? Content access?

At least to me, the point of a guild to me was to play with a bunch of people I liked in a relaxed atmosphere...you know, like a game.

[Calantus]

You mean a game that can require other people to do things and where if you don't find the right set of people you may not be able to play the game the way you enjoy?

[Fabricated]

You mean a game that can require other people to do things and where if you don't find the right set of people you may not be able to play the game the way you enjoy?

I already found the right set of people. Sadly, there's not much content for us.

[Calantus]

You don't want to raid? Then yeah, the above statement doesn't really apply to you. I'm sure if you were in some uberguild with some friends and got sick of being forced to raid and dealing with loot dramas you'd want to leave for a smaller guild without all that noise. Same thing really, just this is a rarer occurance. Does happen though, we had someone with 3 RL friends in our guild leave it for a small (20ish) PVP guild cause they hated raiding.

As for content... yeah, that's where raiders were a few months ago. It's just the way it's gonna be with a game that tries to do everything.

[Ironwood]

Never mind.  I have it on good authority I'm a retard.

[Azazel]

You can be two things.

[Fabricated]

AQ just got opened in my server (Proudmoore).

Our server is known as a piece of shit in general, both in general stability/lag, and in terms of players. A friend of mine was over attempting to stealth into Dire Maul to get his book quest done with an alt. Server crashed and did a mini-rollback about 3 times.

So, has anyone here actually been inside the place?

[Rasix]

So, has anyone here actually been inside the place?

Will be in a week (server's close to finishing off war mats).  I can hardly wait for 20g repair bills a night.

[Fabricated]

So, has anyone here actually been inside the place?

Will be in a week (server's close to finishing off war mats).  I can hardly wait for 20g repair bills a night.

I know I'm far from being Tier 2'd out, but 20g? Damn. I've had every piece of my equipment broken and it only cost me 6-7ish G tops. Are we talking multiple repairbots through the whole instance, or are we talking going back into the place even after you've wiped so much the instance reset?

[Merusk]

So, has anyone here actually been inside the place?

My guild's looking at adding the 20-man to the raid rotation since we don't have enough healers/ other cloth to even bother with trying MC yet. 

So far the best part of the whole 'opening' thing was the drama of the acutal opening.  What with all the other servers having crashed because there were 3000 people in one zone, and the queue problem preventing people who crash from getting back online to do the opening, our Horde guild decided they'd sound the gong on Friday morning at about 6:30 EST.  That way they wouldn't get bitched at for crashing the server because they 'should have known, look at what happened on all the others!!'

 Of course this means that they're a bunch of pricks who only care about themselves and how dare they exclude us working folk from seeing.. uh.. doors opening... or something.  Really it just serves as a reminder that sometimes you can't win regardless of what you do or don't do.

[Rasix]

I know I'm far from being Tier 2'd out, but 20g? Damn. I've had every piece of my equipment broken and it only cost me 6-7ish G tops. Are we talking multiple repairbots through the whole instance, or are we talking going back into the place even after you've wiped so much the instance reset?

Multiple repair bots.  Yah, it gets nasty and people get pissed.  That's typically what a person in a mix of tier 1 and 2's will pay in my guild if we're learning an instance.

It's nice though when your BWL repair bill is just a bit over 1g.

[Calantus]

Funny thing is too that you make all that money back pretty easily simply by the gold that drops off the bosses in ZG and BWL. Unfortunately MC is not good at all for money so you end up spending more than you earn while learning BWL if you aren't also clearing ZG constantly. I think if MC gave out the same kinda payload as the other raiding instances the whole problem with learning BWL wouldn't be so big for so many guilds.

[bhodi]

AQ just got opened in my server (Proudmoore).

Our server is known as a piece of shit in general, both in general stability/lag, and in terms of players. A friend of mine was over attempting to stealth into Dire Maul to get his book quest done with an alt. Server crashed and did a mini-rollback about 3 times.

So, has anyone here actually been inside the place?

Yeah, we got officially owned by the first boss (prophet) before finally downing him... and then got owned by the trio of bosses that is the second encounter. It's tough but we'll probably kill it next week. Tonight is the 20man, which I hear (from guildies who previewed it this weekend) is better than ZG, so i'm looking forward to maybe getting my backstab and feint book.

One cool thing is the bug mounts, they do drop like candy and that's fortunate becuase once you're past the first boss everything is considered 'indoors' and only the bug mounts can get you from place to place.. and it is fairly large, there is a lot of walking. Blessedly, there are not a lot of trash mobs, maybe 2-4 pulls between each boss, and it looks like (fucking tigole, cocksucking son of a bitch) this dungeon is even more skill-dependent and less-forgiving than BWL. Even on the trash mobs, one person not paying attention either gets them killed very quickly (yay!) or wipes the raid (yuck!)

[Fabricated]

What're the new skillbooks anyway? I saw some poor bastard trying to sell a tome of Arcane Missiles all day yesterday to no avail.

[Phred]

I know I'm far from being Tier 2'd out, but 20g? Damn. I've had every piece of my equipment broken and it only cost me 6-7ish G tops. Are we talking multiple repairbots through the whole instance, or are we talking going back into the place even after you've wiped so much the instance reset?

Multiple repair bots.  Yah, it gets nasty and people get pissed.  That's typically what a person in a mix of tier 1 and 2's will pay in my guild if we're learning an instance.

It's nice though when your BWL repair bill is just a bit over 1g.

Also you dont get faction discounts from repair bots so that ups the price a bit too.

[Jobu]

What're the new skillbooks anyway? I saw some poor bastard trying to sell a tome of Arcane Missiles all day yesterday to no avail.

To make up for certain abilities that haven't scaled well with the current epic equipments, various spells will drop in the instances. So instead of learning backstab rank 9 from a trainer, you get it as a drop. Similar to a crafting recipe. I hope they drop pretty extensively so I can buy some off the AH for a reasonable price. I dunno which classes get them though. I remember seeing screenshots of a frostbolt and backstab book, at least.

Or something like that... the info was rather vague when I read about it on the forums months ago.

[Azazel]

Welcome to EverQuest!

[ClydeJr]

What're the new skillbooks anyway?

Looking at the drops for Ayamiss the Hunter, Buru the Gorger, and General Rajaxx, it appears there's skillbooks for all classes. Some examples:

• Rogue: Handbook of Feint V
• Mage: Tome of Arcane Missiles VIII
• Hunter: Guide: Multi-Shot V
• Paladin: Libram: Holy Light IX
• Warrior: Manual of Heroic Strike IX
• Priest: Codex of Renew X
• Druid: Book of Rejuvenation XI
• Shaman: Tablet of Grace of Air Totem III

[cevik]

Warlock:  Shadowbolt Rank 10, Immolate Rank 8, Corruption Rank 7.

[Morfiend]

Man, Warlocks get Shadowbolt rank 10, and rogues get Deadly Poison 4. Wow.

[cevik]

Man, Warlocks get Shadowbolt rank 10, and rogues get Deadly Poison 4. Wow.

That's because warlocks had 9 ranks of shadowbolt before and rogues had 3 ranks of deadly poison before.  It's basic math, I'm not sure what your issue is.

As far as the "upgrade" that is shadowbolt rank 10:

Shadowbolt Rank 9:
370 mana
455 to 507 damage

Shadowbolt Rank 10:
380 mana
482 to 538 damage

So an increase of 27 to the min, and 31 damage to the max, at the cost of 10 more mana.  I can get 30 points of damage added to my rank 9 shadowbolt with 1 peice of epic gear or 1 (or many) epic level chants.. so basically.. not that huge of an upgrade for likely cost of acquiring the spell.. I wouldn't panic too much about those uber Rank 10 shadowbolt warlocks..

EDIT:  It looks like rogues get deadly poison rank 5, not 4.. which is a dot that does 680 damage over 12 seconds.. the main warlock dot is getting upgraded from 666 to 822 damage over 18 seconds.. considering we are dot specialists, I'd much rather have a DoT that does 11 more damage per second than our best dot.. I hardly see where you can bitch.. ;)

[MrHat]

pretty sure it has to be applied 5 times for those numbers to work

Hunters get more multishot? Oh joy.  Grace of Air totem!!!

[cevik]

pretty sure it has to be applied 5 times for those numbers to work

Yeah, and rogues RARELY hit a person 5 times! :p

[Ironwood]

Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but if you were, you shouldn't have been.

:)