Super Magina

[Simond]

Where'd the higher poly-cout stuff come from? I keep hearing it but dont' recall reading an official announcement of 'omg more polyz'.  Yah I missed the ears, but the waist/ face are the same as NEs.  I've got a pic in a similar pose I'll drop later for comparison.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to be horribly vague, and just say "They said so at Blizzcon" with no backup or links.

[cevik]

Yeah, I have a male gnome warlock and a male gnome rogue... but for my warrior, I ended up going with a female gnome just for the omg cuteness factor. Ever seen a female gnome in full valor? How about tanking Drakkisath? Or cutting things up in battlegrounds with a huge ass 2-h axe that's larger than she is! The female gnome emotes are pure gold too.

GO GNOME OR GO HOME!!1111
... that is all.


-- Z.

I am the slayer of gnomes.  There is nothing "cute" about short people, they are pathetic weaklings and deserve death.

[Furiously]

I thought it was mangina.

[cevik]

I thought it was mangina.

The hardest part about pvp for me is deciding which pleases me most:  watching a gnome, elf, dwarf, or human die.

It typically switches daily.  Sometimes I go hour by hour, and on rough days it switches battle per battle.

[Azazel]

Don't worry, you'll soon have Mangine Elves to fight side by side with 

[cevik]

Don't worry, you'll soon have Mangine Elves to fight side by side with 

The good news is, at the rate Blizzard tends to develop new products, I will have already had my account canceled for a year before the expansion pack comes out.  I usually only play mmogs for 4 or 5 years before I get bored.

[Llava]

Don't worry, you'll soon have Mangine Elves to fight side by side with 

The good news is, at the rate Blizzard tends to develop new products, I will have already had my account canceled for a year before the expansion pack comes out.  I usually only play mmogs for 4 or 5 years before I get bored.

I'm going to reactivate and track you down, just to elf it up right next to you.

I probably wasn't going to bother before. But you've convinced me.

[cevik]

I'm going to reactivate and track you down, just to elf it up right next to you.

I probably wasn't going to bother before. But you've convinced me.

No heals for you.

[Furiously]

Can someone post more pictures?  Ok, but seriously....

the expansion is 6 months away. Wake me in 4 months, if I am still playing which will be amazing, I might care.

[Azazel]

I think it'll be more of a case of looking at the expansion and deciding whether or not to resubscribe....

[HaemishM]

After playing both sides, it seems to me that there are more quests for Alliance and that the quests are more fleshed out.  That's merely my impression, however.  I don't know what's been added to the Horde side in the past 11 months.

That was my impression as well. The gear was better, the quests were better, and the Alliance had no zone that felt as boring and tedious as The Barrens.

[Ironwood]

The downside being No Shadowfang Keep and, the ultimate, you have to group with other alliance.  Who are pretty much 90% retarded.

Hmmm.

I'll stick with Horde thanks.

[Rasix]

The downside being No Shadowfang Keep and, the ultimate, you have to group with other alliance.  Who are pretty much 90% retarded.

Hmmm.

I'll stick with Horde thanks.

The 90% retarded is pretty much spot on.  We've been doing a lot of cross faction stuff lately and where ever alliance goes the screen is filled with /yells, emotes, and random text.  It's like they've all got a bad case of ADD.

The Barrens wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so fucking big.  It's got some decent quests though and I don't mind the desert vibe so much.  Then again, the levels you're there don't exactly make up a long portion of your playing time.

[Merusk]

Even the short amount of time I spent in the Barrens as an Undead Rogue on the PvP/RP server was enough to get me.  It's just a combination of little things that really mesh into a "ARGH" experience.

I'd up 90% Alliance retardation to 95% lately.  The idiots are hitting 60s now and the vets and good players are burnt-out, only login for raids, or rerolled to play Horde a bit.  Lost an Alterac Valley match in 2 1/2 hours (from start) yesterday because all the Alliance were doing turn-ins instead of helping to recap graveyards.  When the PvP vets started bitching, the reaction was "dud, chill out and let them win, we'll get our honor sooner."  (Note: Alliance on my server wins AVs so often that Horde stopped doing them for a long time, only starting-up recently because of the multiple queues. This also marks the fastest loss I'd heard of.)

[Rasix]

Horde wins on my server whenever there's a person leading the effort.  If there's someone leading (and leading effectively) then there's a lot less chance of people like me fishing while Rome burns.  Some people in my guild decided to do AV on Sunday.  The original plan was to just go in and fish and maybe kill some people in the process, but then for whatever reason we dropped from our mini-raid and helped the Horde just obliterate the alliance team.  I think it was due to Horde actually TRYING. 

I have no idea what Alliance was actually doing to lose that bad, but it sure is fun to see Windfury proc and whatever caster you're hitting crumple before the dust even clears.  It was nice to get the Honored rep necklace even if it's only about a hair better than the arclight talisman.

[Paelos]

Horde wins on my server whenever there's a person leading the effort.  If there's someone leading (and leading effectively) then there's a lot less chance of people like me fishing while Rome burns.  Some people in my guild decided to do AV on Sunday.  The original plan was to just go in and fish and maybe kill some people in the process, but then for whatever reason we dropped from our mini-raid and helped the Horde just obliterate the alliance team.  I think it was due to Horde actually TRYING. 

I have no idea what Alliance was actually doing to lose that bad, but it sure is fun to see Windfury proc and whatever caster you're hitting crumple before the dust even clears.  It was nice to get the Honored rep necklace even if it's only about a hair better than the arclight talisman.

Typically Alliance loses in AV because you get at least 5-10 idiots who aren't level 60 in the game. Then on top of that you get 5-10 more who only farm rep by trying to turn crap in. Then you get at least 10 who don't know how to play as a support class. I'm talking to you pallies. So basically out of 40 players, 50-75% are pretty useless and none of them are priests. We don't have priests that pvp.

[Hoax]

Just fyi, the map in AV blatently favors the horde...

I'm not sure how Horde could lose consistently PUG vrs PUG unless they just have much worse pve gear or are newbs.  

Oh and as someone who has ground to 6k from exaulted winning only organized AV runs (so 4) I think I've spent enough time in the place to know what I'm talking about.

[Ironwood]

Maybe you do, but I for one have no idea what you're talking about.

It favours the horde how again ??

[Paelos]

Just fyi, the map in AV blatently favors the horde...

I'm not sure how Horde could lose consistently PUG vrs PUG unless they just have much worse pve gear or are newbs.  

Oh and as someone who has ground to 6k from exaulted winning only organized AV runs (so 4) I think I've spent enough time in the place to know what I'm talking about.

Yes, that's mildly true as well. Horde can get to the alliance second tier GY on a rush with nothing stopping them in two different directions. Alliance have to go through a giant chokepoint to get to the Horde's first GY. Also the alliance has one of the most worthless towers just hanging out on the side of the middle of the field, doing nothing but waiting to get assaulted. What is that? ALL of the Horde towers provide some fire on people assaulting GYs. None of our towers do that.

[Merusk]

Typically Alliance loses in AV because you get at least 5-10 idiots who aren't level 60 in the game. Then on top of that you get 5-10 more who only farm rep by trying to turn crap in. Then you get at least 10 who don't know how to play as a support class. I'm talking to you pallies. So basically out of 40 players, 50-75% are pretty useless and none of them are priests. We don't have priests that pvp.

Or mages... or warlocks.  The AV I was in had 35 people.  I know about 10-15 of them were hunters, then rogues.. but the rogues weren't teaming-up in groups of 2-3 the way the Horde Rogues did... oh no.. sneak into the crowd by yourself and get pwned by the 7 mages on their team all spamming arcane explosion as soon as they hear the cheapshot noise.

Just fyi, the map in AV blatently favors the horde...

I'm not sure how Horde could lose consistently PUG vrs PUG unless they just have much worse pve gear or are newbs. 

Oh and as someone who has ground to 6k from exaulted winning only organized AV runs (so 4) I think I've spent enough time in the place to know what I'm talking about.

I know it does, but even so Alliance has rarely lost it on my server. Not due to competency, but attrition of numbers. DCs due to graphics load with login queues and a much smaller player base means they don't get the reserves we do.  Oh, also, the Horde on my server claims that AV is designed to favor Alliance, to 'make up for' the clear design advantage Horde has in AB and WSG.  WTF?

[Hoax]

Yeah I've heard that theory, but nobody has ever explained what advantage alliance have on those maps.

I dont blame the map for the fact alliance get their shit shoved in 95% of the time on my server.  Horde have more better pvp guilds then alliance, their players are smarter overall and they are used to winning.  Really that is the biggest thing, I doubt there are any servers where PUGvPUG in AV its a 50/50.  I would guess that almost every server one side is 85%+ win rate.  Because once a side starts loosing, they expect to loose, so people refuse to do the things necessarry to win, which often do not involve just mindlessly throwing themselves into loosing zerg vrs zerg encounters.

[Zetor]

Maybe you do, but I for one have no idea what you're talking about.

It favours the horde how again ??

Alliance's first bunker can be taken easily (bunkers are pretty ineffectual in general), there are much better positions for sniping while pushing, Balinda is a wimp, the Dun Baldar bunker exploits, etc etc.
Witness http://www.bahamutns.com/winavashorde/ , it has the info you need. :p
/vault


-- Z.

[Ironwood]

What a load.
I put it to you that I could also put together a document from the horde perspective that would list almost the exact same number of exploits and, let's be frank here, Tactics as was on that link.

And a lot of that assumes a level of competance that most AV groups don't have.  If you're actually up against a proper 40 man organised group that came in as a oner, then you were probably humped anyway.

Look, I'm not getting at you or doubting what you fnd in the BG.  I wanna make that clear.

[Zetor]

I know, it was (kinda) tongue-in-cheek, hence the /vault at the end. :P AV as a whole is full of bugs and terrain exploits... me, I'm glad to be finally free of that hellhole after getting exalted over a frighteningly long stretch of time (what, 5 months?).


-- Z.

[Ironwood]

Personally, I think the biggest sploit in the game is either to come in as a group of 40 lvl60 NE Hunters or 40 lvl60 Tauren Shamen.

FROST SHOCK.

[Teleku]

You people who go off on the Alliance being filled with more dumb ass's are fucking high.  I've leveled up 60's on both sides before, and the player base is the exact same on retardation level.  My experiences leveling up the horde have been a bit worst in dealing with retards, as it seems the stupid dick 12 year old ratio is higher (from the "lolz evil is teh cool" factor it seems).  But that just may be random bad luck on my part as well.  Or maybe Barrens chat being thrown in sours it.  I have never yet seen a greater concentration of stupidity ANYWHERE on the internet than what I witness daily in Barrens chat.  At least I dont have to put up with that on Alliance.  But anyways, if any of you actually think your side is any more mature or intellegent than the other, your falling way to far into the frothing fan boy area.  Its the same everywhere, which is bad.

I'd also like to say that I agree AV is more balanced towards horde, in that their side is one giant choke point with effective towers.  The Alliance base is way to open, when compared to the horde.  Doesn't really matter though I guess, as I've never been on a horde team that has won AV, and never been on an Alliance team that has lost it.

[Righ]

The Alliance bridge isn't a viable choke point? Even pathetic Alliance teams seem to do very well there.

[Merusk]

There's a horde team on my server that has gotten very good at wtfpwning Alliance every time they enter.  Part of it is their coordination, part of it is using Alliance's tendency to want to try and farm HKs (who the fuck knows why.)

They send 2-3 rogues in to cap the rear graveyard while the main force is assulting the forward alliance bunker/ gy.  If they keep the pressure up there, there's never enough alliance that bother going and trying to recap the GY.  Then they sneak a lock in through GY hopping, and start to summon a key force back.  When they have about 10-15 people behind the lines they rush in, and start wiping the base while the rest of the mindless zerg keeps trying to take the first two positions.   The strike force will make it to the Alliance general and have him dead inside of an hour or two every time they try.  The only way I've seen it countered (due to the PUG nature of AV) was when I joined an AV where an Alliance force was doing the same thing.  We  only won by a matter of minutes, as the horde was fighting the Alliance general  when we downed theirs.

Yes, it turns AV from an epic battle into a 'who ganks first' back and forth, but because of Fatigue, Disconnect Problems (wtf is up with AV graphic lag?) and an undersized force of reserves it's the tactic Horde's had to adopt to win on my server.

[Ironwood]

That sounds like Hell.


Really, I mean, like lake of fires and freezing ice type hell.

[TheWalrus]

I'll agree with the horde exploits as soon as alliance rogues stop capping towers from outside the wall.

[Azazel]

The downside being No Shadowfang Keep and, the ultimate, you have to group with other alliance.  Who are pretty much 90% retarded.
Hmmm.
I'll stick with Horde thanks.

SFK is a cool zone you can still do with alliance if you're willing to travel, albeit without quests there and some danger on the run.

OTOH, spend 15 minutes sitting in Barrens anytime you want to see retarded.. I think it's a pretty straightforward % across the board actually..

[Trippy]

The downside being No Shadowfang Keep and, the ultimate, you have to group with other alliance.  Who are pretty much 90% retarded.
Hmmm.
I'll stick with Horde thanks.

SFK is a cool zone you can still do with alliance if you're willing to travel, albeit without quests there and some danger on the run.

OTOH, spend 15 minutes sitting in Barrens anytime you want to see retarded.. I think it's a pretty straightforward % across the board actually..

SFK is only one zone over from Southshore/Hillsbrad which is itself on the flight path from Lagforge so it's easy to get to on PvE servers. There are also some class specific quests for Paladins and Warlocks there so it's not totally devoid of stuff for Alliance to do.

[Ironwood]

The downside being No Shadowfang Keep and, the ultimate, you have to group with other alliance.  Who are pretty much 90% retarded.
Hmmm.
I'll stick with Horde thanks.

SFK is a cool zone you can still do with alliance if you're willing to travel, albeit without quests there and some danger on the run.

OTOH, spend 15 minutes sitting in Barrens anytime you want to see retarded.. I think it's a pretty straightforward % across the board actually..

NO.

If you haven't done all the quests in that zone that build up to SFK then you have no idea of the immersion that it creates.  Particularly when you've spent the last couple of levels being rent by SoA.  It's THE perfect horde zone in WoW in my opinion.  Nothing else comes even remotely close.

And, again, all I can speak to is my experience but on my server the retardation of Alliance and Horde is waaay differentiated.  All you hear in general barrens from the horde is 'Oh My Fuck, Those Retards Are Attacking The Crossroads AGAIN.'

[Azazel]

OK different Barrens experiences then - The zone itself is a good, fun zone. The population on both servers I've run Hordies on has been super-tarded in barrens..

[Alkiera]

OK different Barrens experiences then - The zone itself is a good, fun zone.

Only if you like RED.  A LOT.  The Barrens has very nearly killed my desire to play the game, just due to overdose of RED.  People complained about the earthtones in EQ2...  Freeport has nothing on the Barrens.

Alkiera