PS3 not to play used games?

[Fabricated]

Originally posted by ikachii at IGN

"SCE has secured the patent for a new disc technology that, if used, would not allow the PS3 to read used games for that platform. The technology was invented by Kutaragi himself, as well as two others

Details regarding the patent are featured here: http://www.ipdl.ncipi.go.jp/homepg.ipdl

It is indicated specifically that the technology is to prevent the use of used as well as pirated software

The technology involves actually rendering a authentication code originally encrypted on the game disk unreadable to other machines once the disk it is used

This would mean that Net-based and other such games will not be the only ones to be affected by the technology

Naturally third software developers would embrace this technology, and it would ensure sales of the inevitable "Best series" for the PS3, but used games shops would be put out of business if the PS3 were to become the primary platform in the next generation

While information regarding the patent does not specify outright that the technology will be used in the PS3, Kutaragi has gone on record saying that copy management is absolutely necessary in order to endure that no "Napsters" of the game industry create problems in the future "

Wow.

[schild]

So, if I have two PS3s (which I eventually will), I can't play my games on both. Oh. That's great.

Fuck them. Fuck them in their tiny puckered up yen assholes.

[HaemishM]

Wow, what a bunch of cockholsters.

[Signe]

I'm no advocate but they I'm beginning to think that they really are anti-consumer and the spawn of Satan.   Every single product... music, games, consoles, everything... makes me  definitely understand why some people hate them to the point of distraction.

[Margalis]

More and more people (err..companies) are anti-consumer these days.

This should combine well with the proven track record of of first-gen Playstation systems constantly breaking.

[Fabricated]

I predict Sony's demise in the game industry if they're dumb enough to put this in the PS3. No fucking way rental places, used game sellers, and *gasp* consumers will put up with this. Period.

[Pococurante]

Fab can you post a source link?

[Fabricated]

I may have been tricked here. Which relieves me actually. Looking.

edit: Thanks to IGN's fucking piece of shit website, I can't actually view the forum post that says it. The title of the post is "The PS3 may not play used games."

Before you laugh, the person that broke the news is Ikachii, who is a "VIP" and "IGNcube Japanese Correspondent" at IGN.

It's not complete heresay, but eh.

Edit Edit: Here's a link to the guy's profile. If one of you can somehow view his post on the PS3 not playing used games, by all means. God IGN is a piece of shit.

http://users.ign.com/about/ikachii?boards=ign

[MuffinMan]

So if a person does have two PS3's, or try and play their game on a friend's system how does the 2nd PS3 no the games has been played before. Unless the first writes something to the disk or connects to the internet to authorize I have no idea how this is plausible.

[Margalis]

Sounds like the disc would be one-time writable and booting it up performs that write.

My guess would be that this is a technology they proofed out but won't actually include in the PS3. Way too many obvious problems.

[stupid newbie]

what if your ps3 breaks down? you'd have to buy an entire new library of ps3 games. Yeah, I'm sure this is going to work.

[schild]

what if your ps3 breaks down? you'd have to buy an entire new library of ps3 games. Yeah, I'm sure this is going to work.

You definately mean "when it breaks down."

[Evil Elvis]

Naturally third software developers would embrace this technology...

This makes my brain hurt.  The market willl embrace what makes it money.  Having noone buy your shit because of archaic practices enacted for some digital witch hunt should ensure this crap from becoming a problem.

[Sairon]

Hmm, that webpage didn't make much sense to me. I know that they said that PS3 would be backward compatible with both the PS2 and PSX at E3 2005, but I guess things can change. If it's true I'm certainly not geting a PS3.

[OcellotJenkins]

Smells like bullshit to me, but if this does somehow end up in the PS3, there is no way in hell I'll be buying one.  Ever.  I don't care if every game is Robot Jesus.

[Yegolev]

I call bullshit.  No way.  Although it would be great to deliver such a cockpunch to EB, thieving bastards.  The PS3 discs would have to be writable, and that isn't a good idea.  How would you make a disc that is writable only in one spot?  Magical blue rays?

[Shockeye]

The problem with doing this is loss of rental revenue. Think about how many copies of each game are sold to all the Hollywoods and Blockbusters out there. No way Sony wants to lose that much money.

[Signe]

No, the whole thing sounds unreasonable.  Of course, if any unreasonable decision like this were to be made, it is likely that Sony would be the ones to make it.  They are the poster child for cutting edge, state of the art unreasonable.

[ClydeJr]

United States Patent 6,816,972

A device and method for protection of legitimate software against used software and counterfeit software in recording media. The device includes a disk is set in a main unit. A specific title code is read, and if this title code has been registered, the main unit shifts to a normal operation. If the code has not been registered, verification software is initiated, PG detection is performed, and when a PG pattern and verification data match, the code is registered in the COCT. If matching does not occur, the disk is processed as illegitimate software.

Since only titles for which legitimate software has actually been purchased and which have been initially registered in the machine table can be used, resale (so-called used software purchase) after purchase by an end-user becomes practically impossible.

Most of that page made my brain hurt but it looks like the main point they are supposedly addressing is to prevent illegal copying of their games. Of course the fact that it kills the used software market is a bonus as well.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27568

[AOFanboi]

I't like they're begging for a pounding from consumer-rights groups and related government agencies. Such a blatant attack on the "first sale doctrine" must be a first - not counting failed technology like those decaying DVDs.

(MMOs probably don't count since they are just clients to a service; though EULAs generally forbid you to resell your account that's done all the time.)

At least such a limitation would mean that the game prices need to be lower since the resell value is 0. Perhaps half of the game prices for the 360? Time will tell. If the prices are high despite such a restriction, there will be an outcry.

Bah on both of them anyway: Roll on the Revolution. :D

[Kairos]

If this does make it into the PS3, I kind of suspect that it will only be in the Japanese ones. Hell, game rentals are illegal there already.

[Signe]

If this does make it into the PS3, I kind of suspect that it will only be in the Japanese ones. Hell, game rentals are illegal there already.

Really?  Are movie rentals okay?  I guess you can buy used games though, right?

Too strange....

[Pococurante]

I't like they're begging for a pounding from consumer-rights groups and related government agencies.

Not to mention their primary demographic, kids that have to go beg mom for the credit card number.  It's the most a lot of these kids can do to afford their habit with used games.

It's almost like corporations across the board have decided to cede the field to new competitors.  All hail the quarterly bonus awards!

[Nebu]

More and more people (err..companies) are anti-consumer these days.

Companies can only become anti-consumer when a) the consumer tolerates it by continuing to purchase from the company or b) the company has a monopoly.

If people would stop buying crap en masse from companies with shit business practices, then maybe this trend will change.  Consumers have power, they are not victims.

[Margalis]

You forgot:

c) They get laws passed through Congress and do an end run around free market principles.

[Kairos]

If this does make it into the PS3, I kind of suspect that it will only be in the Japanese ones. Hell, game rentals are illegal there already.

Really?  Are movie rentals okay?  I guess you can buy used games though, right?

Too strange....

I'm pretty sure movie rentals are okay, and the used games market in Japan is huge (partially because a slight tear in the shrink wrap counts as 'used' in Japan). I have no idea how it'd go over, but my personal suspicion is that the Japanese are much more willing to bend over and take it than Americans would be. But I'm probably either underestimating Japanese gamers or overestimating American gamers.

EDIT: Oh, I overlooked this:

At least such a limitation would mean that the game prices need to be lower since the resell value is 0. Perhaps half of the game prices for the 360?

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Yeah, I'm sure.

[HaemishM]

So it's a real patent.

I will never buy a console that has this tech installed. Fuck Sony, fuck the little douchebag pigfucking muffinsnatching crotchlice-ridden teabagging twat-waddling braindead limp-wristed monkey shit that thought this up.

Do I like that EB Games makes a killing on selling used software? No, but I do like not having to pay $50 for a game that's 2 or 3 months old. Price is a significant issue in my game purchases, and rentals make that much more palatable (if the local Blockbuster ever had fuckall in stock). But first you want to tell me I can't buy those used games anymore, not even from someone I know like my buddy, but I can't even go get a rental to try a game out or borrow a buddy's copy? Or if, God forbid, your shitty manufacturing standards cause my hypothetical PS3 to shit the bed 3 months after I buy it and all my games become magical coasters?

Fuck you. Fuck you in your puckered tight little assholes, you stupid clown shoes cockgobbler.

Copyright laws and the existence of piracy do not give you the right to fuck me out of fair use.

[Sky]

Hey. Easy on the clown shoes, bub.

 

[ahoythematey]

Clowns aren't people.  They are target practice for people.

[voodoolily]

Is this where I jump in and say "ha ha, Nintendo ftw"?

[AOFanboi]

Is this where I jump in and say "ha ha, Nintendo ftw"?

Yes.

*Waits patiently for Nintendo's next console (codename Revolution, not necessarily called that when it releases next year)*

Though I did sell my Gamecube. *hangs head in shame*

But, seriously, if Sony does the "no secondhand market" trick plus their apparent lack of interest in online gaming, they will end up as the next generation's Dreamcast.

[Evil Elvis]

There have been other technologies similar to this.  I remember reading a while ago about movies that would only play once (or a limited number of times) that video rental places could sell and the user wouldn't be responsible for returning the movie.

I wouldn't worry too much about Sony owning a consumer-fucking patent.  Although, I wouldn't put it past them to throw a game or two out there using this tech, just to test the waters.

[Margalis]

There have been other technologies similar to this.  I remember reading a while ago about movies that would only play once (or a limited number of times) that video rental places could sell and the user wouldn't be responsible for returning the movie.

DVD-X or something like that. Lasted all of 5 minutes.

[Furiously]

Any of you lawyers patent lawyers?

[Yegolev]

I wouldn't worry too much about Sony owning a consumer-fucking patent.  Although, I wouldn't put it past them to throw a game or two out there using this tech, just to test the waters.

Well, there is the rootkit thing, so they just might.