Meet the Revolution's controller.

[Fabricated]

Just as a point of interest, how many people here have played Donkey Konga Jungle Beat?  And not found it fun at all?

Me.

[schild]

Just as a point of interest, how many people here have played Donkey Konga Jungle Beat?  And not found it fun at all?

Me.

Me too. Taiko Drum Master is just that much better.

[Hoax]

@Margalis:
I'm torn here, on the one hand I really feel like if your going to bother to play a game you might as well try to be top tier.  But as my life has moved away from game's taking up the majority of my time I find myself frustrated with the amount of work it takes to get to top tier because some people just take the analysis of the game system so fucking far.

Fighting games it turns out are a perfect example of this, with people calculating risk reward ratios for every fighter's move, and figuring out the amount (accurate to a nano second) a block lasts.  This is no different and no more sick though then the people in MMORPG's who have played 12 characters to max level of the same class just to try out different attribute setups.  Starcraft players that spend entire games without ever actually watching the unit vrs unit combat because that would not be time efficient or top tier teams in fps who have 2-4 practices or scrimmages a week.  Just somehow it does not seem right to most people who only play a fighting game with their friends sitting around in the living room now that video arcades are such a rare sight.  Unlike online games where I really want to smash the face of 90% of the people I play against, why would I want to be able to demolish my buddies at a fighting game?  That is a short path to having no opponents.

The short version of all that is:  I begrudgingly agree with you. 

[Alkiera]

Just somehow it does not seem right to most people who only play a fighting game with their friends sitting around in the living room now that video arcades are such a rare sight.  Unlike online games where I really want to smash the face of 90% of the people I play against, why would I want to be able to demolish my buddies at a fighting game?  That is a short path to having no opponents.

We generally solve that issue by having the experienced player play random characters, and letting newbs play with 1, so they can learn the moves of that character, where the exp'd player has more general knowledge of the game, and probably more exp with all the different characters than any one of the newbs has with any one character.  But yah, I can understand what you're saying.  Tho, it could be interesting to get together regularly to have mini-tourneys at Soul Caliber or whatnot, or just play and mess around.  Say, meet once a week to play against each other, so that you all get better at it equally.  As MMO players, we do this already, scheduling times to play so that we stay around the same level range.

Alkiera

[Sky]

Actually, Margalis, that's why I stopped playing against my chess buddy in jr. high school. Rather than learn by playing, he memorized a bunch of standard openings that utterly screwed me, who hadn't learned them. I just wanted to play a game, not pwninate.

I know it's silly, I'm just saying how I feel. I'm not hardcore about gaming, I just play for fun. Having to memorize a lot of stuff isn't fun...I play guitar but mostly improvise because I hate memorizing songs :P

[Margalis]

I understand what people are saying. I made the mistake of trying to play Unreal Tournament online once. I basically could not hit anyone or accomplish anything at all.

I started off playing with my friend who was better than me, he is still better than me but I did lessen the gap. Going online and destroyed by people was not fun at all though. It was too big a step and too frustrating. And I don't care enough about UT to practice up that much.

But, I don't begrudge those people for being good or call them lamers or whatever. They like the game, they play it a lot, the try to improve and they have done so. There's nothing wrong with that. When I play with friends I just make sure the team with the best guy also has some of the worst people to even it out. I am certainly looking to improve. Improving in competitive games is where a lot of the fun comes from. I just don't care enough to improve fast enough to hang with even the average online player.

When I used to play in arcades a lot if someone was much worse than me I would go easy on them, give them some pointers, etc. I think everyone wants to get better at these types of games, and being a tournament level player is at least a somewhat logical evolution of that.

[Fabricated]

I understand what people are saying. I made the mistake of trying to play Unreal Tournament online once. I basically could not hit anyone or accomplish anything at all.

I started off playing with my friend who was better than me, he is still better than me but I did lessen the gap. Going online and destroyed by people was not fun at all though. It was too big a step and too frustrating. And I don't care enough about UT to practice up that much.

But, I don't begrudge those people for being good or call them lamers or whatever. They like the game, they play it a lot, the try to improve and they have done so. There's nothing wrong with that. When I play with friends I just make sure the team with the best guy also has some of the worst people to even it out. I am certainly looking to improve. Improving in competitive games is where a lot of the fun comes from. I just don't care enough to improve fast enough to hang with even the average online player.

When I used to play in arcades a lot if someone was much worse than me I would go easy on them, give them some pointers, etc. I think everyone wants to get better at these types of games, and being a tournament level player is at least a somewhat logical evolution of that.

Online UT (the original) always pissed me off since it was a prime example of people using what are basically exploits to gain a major edge over regular players. I was damn good at the original UT and knew all the tricks, but I still thought the translocator made CTF just utterly boring.

[Margalis]

The translocator certainly made it boring for me as it was imposible for me to actually hit anyoe. :)

Anyway, that's an example of a game that breaks down at high levels, or at least appears to. I can't say for sure because I don't know enough about UT, maybe you can simply adjust or their are some good anti-translocator strategies. It's quite common for a feature to appear totally broken to one level of player, and actually too weak to another.

A good example of this was Eddie in Tekken 3. For a beginning to intermediate player beating a random Eddie player who just mashes on kicks is actually kind of hard. At that level of play Eddie is too good. But at high levels of play Eddie is too weak.

[Hoax]

I always hated that fucker with the staff in SC is he really weak if your "pro" at fighting games? Jin or Tim or something.

[MrHat]

Just somehow it does not seem right to most people who only play a fighting game with their friends sitting around in the living room now that video arcades are such a rare sight.  Unlike online games where I really want to smash the face of 90% of the people I play against, why would I want to be able to demolish my buddies at a fighting game?  That is a short path to having no opponents.

We generally solve that issue by having the experienced player play random characters, and letting newbs play with 1, so they can learn the moves of that character, where the exp'd player has more general knowledge of the game, and probably more exp with all the different characters than any one of the newbs has with any one character.  But yah, I can understand what you're saying.  Tho, it could be interesting to get together regularly to have mini-tourneys at Soul Caliber or whatnot, or just play and mess around.  Say, meet once a week to play against each other, so that you all get better at it equally.  As MMO players, we do this already, scheduling times to play so that we stay around the same level range.

Alkiera

The solution is simple, everytime you win, you drink!

[schild]

I always hated that fucker with the staff in SC is he really weak if your "pro" at fighting games? Jin or Tim or something.

Kilik. He's cheap.

[Sky]

I like the crazy oriental guy with the masks. He's tough to play, but he cracks me up. Spawn's pretty easy to use, and I also use the big guy with the hammer. I love that guy, he's slow but his swings are nasty. I probably remember the most moves for him because I play him the most. The character I think has the most cheese potential is the chainsword chick. I can beat the eqholic with her without ever letting him close to melee range (he's not good either, heh).

The solution is simple, everytime you win, you drink!

Bah, why wait until you win? ;)

[Margalis]

I always hated that fucker with the staff in SC is he really weak if your "pro" at fighting games? Jin or Tim or something.

Kilik. He's cheap.

Yeah...he's one of the worst characters at high levels.

The best characters are generally considered Ivy (chain-sword chick), Cervantes, X (girls who's name starts with X). The game is pretty well balanced though, Nightmare does well, so does Voldo, etc.

[Strazos]

UT might be a bad example, because a Large number of players used macros etc. to do things easier. That fucker that gets you Every Damn Time with the shock combo? Odds are decent he's not legit.

Also, the translocator....Totally takes the fun out of the game. Also, another macro example.





In SC I favor Talim and Taki. I like quick characters with moves that I can link into rolling combos.

[stray]

Kilik is cool, I don't give a shit.

Bo Staff for teh win!! (or not  ).

[voodoolily]

I always liked playing as Valdo, and he reminds me of that one creepy Marylin Manson-esque aeon from FFX. He moves all sinewy and weird, like it's backwards or something. I was deeply saddened that Link was such a lame character to play (I've only played the GC version).

[Merusk]

Link kicks a fairly good amount of ass, probably my favorite character, followed by Cerv.

[schild]

Taki, Mitsurugi, Cervantes, whatever. I haven't played it in a while, but I'm very much looking forward to making my own character in III.

[Strazos]

And I would look forward to wtfpwning that character  .....if I was participating in the next gen. 

[Llava]

I liked Siegfried in the ealier version.  Just a crazy dude in knight's armor with a giant sword.

I know he's Nightmare in the latest version, but it didn't have quite the same feel.

I liked Kilik too, but largely because I'm a fan of staves as weapons.

[MrHat]

Everytime I picked a character I liked, I'd get my ass owned to me.  Everytime I just let it random, I did much better.

I love Cervantes though.  Ivy high kick for the "out of arena' win

[Merusk]

Never play anyone who's any good at throwing with Link.  I've won more of the hard matches in Weaponmaster through throws out of the arena than actual fights.  You just have to be within 5' of the edge and 'woosh'  out of the ring.

[AOFanboi]

And I would look forward to wtfpwning that character  .....if I was participating in the next gen. 

No next gen involved, SC III is for ye olde PS2.

[Sky]

 

[Azazel]

I want a game that's tiring.

There's a motion capture boxing game in arcades.  I love that game.  It's a fantastic workout in like 5 minutes.  A game that will motivate me to move around is a good thing.

EyeToy Play2 Has one of those. If you wanted to play that sort of thing, like, now.

[Yegolev]

Interesting Miyamoto-san interview.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000297061506/

I jizz in Miyamoto-san's general direction.