Meet the Revolution's controller.

[Velorath]

So not hardcore. Granted 2 of the gamecube games aren't mine and the top two shelves on the left part aren't mine.

You've got me beat by a longshot on newer games.  If I lined up all my NES, Coleco, Atari, TG-16, SNES, and Genesis games up on shelves though...

[schild]

If I lined up all my NES, Coleco, Atari, TG-16, SNES, and Genesis games up on shelves though...

Left most in the attic at my parent's house when I moved out west.

Here's the thing. I'm not hardcore, ahoy. I just like games more than you.

[Trippy]

Is that...Daikatana? WTF?

[ahoythematey]

You are seriously fucking full of yourself.

[schild]

Is that...Daikatana? WTF?

That wasn't easy to track down.

You are seriously fucking full of yourself.

Media is my chosen "hobby." I like reading, watching movies, and playing games. It's what I do. There's probably something else you and I have in common and you have a lot more of it and I'd think you are hardcore. But really, you just like it more than me.

[Raph]

I have one of those remote mice/laser pointer thingies on my media room PC. It is too tiring to use for longer than ten or twnety minutes at a time. That makes me worry about this controller. :(

[MrHat]

I have one of those remote mice/laser pointer thingies on my media room PC. It is too tiring to use for longer than ten or twnety minutes at a time. That makes me worry about this controller. :(

I predict an entire generation of bloated right forearm teenagers.

[schild]

I predict an entire generation of bloated right forearm teenagers.

Too late.

I love destroying jokes.

[MrHat]

Just saying, if the games are fun, kids will take the pain and play to win.

If it can sense, real-time, all axis of motion, then imagine the possibilities for virtual sports.

[schild]

If it can sense, real-time, all axis of motion, then imagine the possibilities for virtual sports.

I wonder if there will be a GTA for the revolution with pistol-whipping. Or just wait til a kid chucks the controller during a hail mary.

Awesome.

[Llava]

This is the first time I've looked in this thread, so I just want to respond to the original post rather than take part in this conversation that has since developed:


rofl

Well, hey.  They could make a cool fencing game.

[Krakrok]

Just wait for the aerobics games where the game knows you are just sitting on your ass. Or an America's Army game where it forces you to do 25 jumping jacks to complete boot camp. Basketball games were you have to dribble with the remote.. er I mean controller. Wait.. wait.. a Karate Kid game with wax on wax off. And that port at the bottom? That's for plugging in your fufme device.

[Morfiend]

25 games?  I guess I'm just not hardcore like you, Schild, but that's a lot of good games for one system, considering how expensive they are.  I own maybe twenty games for my cube, and with my ps2 and pc as well, I still haven't finished a good number of them.

So not hardcore. Granted 2 of the gamecube games aren't mine and the top two shelves on the left part aren't mine.

Look, Schild dusted all his games before taking the picture. Also, I have that same Shelf in my office, but in orange.

[schild]

I just moved in. No need to really dust the games yet.  :-D

Actually, I didn't take that picture. I just cropped off the bottom and right part. Picture was taken while I was sleeping.

[Morfiend]

Just went and read the article on this. I think it has the potential to be "kind of" cool, with a select amount of games that are designed for it. I see it being a hit with younger gamers, which was kind of always Nintendo's market anyway. I would like to try it, but I really doubt I will buy it.

I also have to say that the PS3 controller like like total ass too. I cant say I am excited for any of the next gen controllers. And why are all these damn consoles so round, no way I can stack these with my DVR or my receiver and shit.

[schild]

The 360 Controller looks like a nice fusion between the S and the Dreamcast controller. I've heard from lots of friends at E3 that it's the most comfortable controller they've ever held. I trust them.

[Margalis]

About the Dual Shock - clearly you have never played a PS/PS2 game that needs the digital pad in any real way, because the digital pad on the dual shock is complete ass.

Anyway, the sad part here is, you knew Nintendo was going to do something wacky like this, and that people would make fun of it.

I'm sure someone will make a 3rd party controller that is much more typical. In the end there is an analog stick, a d-pad, and some buttons, just like every other controller in the past 5 years.

It does sound like it will be nice for flying and FPS games - two things I care nothing about.

[schild]

About the Dual Shock - clearly you have never played a PS/PS2 game that needs the digital pad in any real way, because the digital pad on the dual shock is complete ass.

The Logitech Wireless dual shock is probably the best PS2 controller I've used. The Dpad on it's actually pretty good. I'd like the Wavebird a lot more if that analog yellow nub thing wasn't so meh.

[Llava]

If they give me a sword fighting game where I use that controller as a handle to control the sword, I will buy it (at a reasonable price).  I don't think that will happen, though, because that would require a greater range of movement than just the screen.  I could see its potential for that, though.  Trigger the rumble when the swords collide.

It will never happen.  Imagine a controller that had the full range of motion.  You could commit virtual sepukku! Sweet!

[Trippy]

If they give me a sword fighting game where I use that controller as a handle to control the sword, I will buy it (at a reasonable price).  I don't think that will happen, though, because that would require a greater range of movement than just the screen.  I could see its potential for that, though.  Trigger the rumble when the swords collide.

It will never happen.  Imagine a controller that had the full range of motion.  You could commit virtual sepukku! Sweet!

This video implies that you will be able to (WARNING IGN LINK!):

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html

[Margalis]

Let me point this out once again, because people are not getting it:

The controller has:
An analog stick
A digital pad
A,B,X,Y buttons
Two other shoulder buttons.

That is exactly the same as what the DC controller had. Keep in mind this controller is supposed to work with NES, NES, N64 and GC games.

Nothing prevents someone from simply creating a third party controller that is shaped like any standard controller. (With or without the motion sensor) In addition, there are already converters today that allow you to use PS2 controllers on the XBox and things like that.

It really isn't hard to imagine at all that there will be adapters to let you use a GC controller or whatever else, or 3rd or 1st party controllers that operate in more standard fashion. It's not like the controller is just a stylus or something like that. The fact that it is supposed to work with older Nintendo systems makes me think there will be some way to, you know, play those games.

[schild]

My xbox controller works great playing all those older games. I'm far more interested in how they're going to handle the Gamecube games. No Z-trigger, no second analog nub. Methinks they're going to release an accesory extender thing, though it would be a lot easier to just let wavebirds work out of the box.

Edit: Having read Slashdot's responses to the controller, I can comfortably say they don't get it. Except for the guy who compared it to the powerglove. But he didn't get it either.

[Margalis]

If I were them I would just release a $20 adapter or something that let you plug your GC controllers in. I mean, if you are going to be playing GC games on the Rev, you clearly own a GC and a controller for it. The adapter could take a controller or wavebird receiver.

They might create some random other attachment, I have no idea. But to me it doesn't matter, because I am 99% sure someone will just create a GC->Rev adapter. You can find one today that maps just about any system to any other one, including Sega Saturn to XBox.

[schild]

For those of you that have forgotten or ignored what I've been saying:



The wavebirds will work with the adapter out of the box. It'll be ugly, but it'll work. On that note, the new controller still feels like R.O.B. to me.

[Murgos]

You know what I really like about that controller design?

That it represents the efforts of probably a dozen engineers as well as a comprehensive ergonomics study and thirty or forty meetings where people said "Yes!  Thats a GREAT concept design!  Let's go for it!!!"  Not to mention all the mock-ups and models and focus groups they probably went through before even considering doing an 'announcement'.

It just makes the Andy Kaufman in me cackle with glee.

[MrHat]

I seriously think it's fantastic.

It will:

(A) Work, and Nintendo will give us games and ways to play games that we never even thought up.  The market will follow because the gaming will be so fun.

(B) Fail, horribly, forcing Nintendo to make gameboy games and finally go 3rd party.

Edit:  Funny thing is, whereas before I wasn't going to buy a Revo, now with the XBox line up announced I'm considering more and more.

[Llava]

If they give me a sword fighting game where I use that controller as a handle to control the sword, I will buy it (at a reasonable price).  I don't think that will happen, though, because that would require a greater range of movement than just the screen.  I could see its potential for that, though.  Trigger the rumble when the swords collide.

It will never happen.  Imagine a controller that had the full range of motion.  You could commit virtual sepukku! Sweet!

This video implies that you will be able to (WARNING IGN LINK!):

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html

Well, video makes it look like it can definitely do that.  My interest is piqued.  I will give it a try.

[Strazos]

picture

Jesus Buttfucking Christ, that may be more games I have ever owned/purchased, for all platforms combined.



Also, on the subject of a possible swordfighting/fencing game, there was a samurai swordfighting game I played at the Namco Zone in London.

It was kind of fun, but 2 gripes.

1) It was tiring

2) The sword mechanics were not intuitive or natural, at all.

Basically, you had a small foam sword which you held and swung around through an infrared plane in front of you....It just didn't work the way swordfighting should.

[Llava]

I want a game that's tiring.

There's a motion capture boxing game in arcades.  I love that game.  It's a fantastic workout in like 5 minutes.  A game that will motivate me to move around is a good thing.

[HaemishM]

Wow.  That is different.  I actually think it's really cool, it sounds like the thing would be plain perfect for First-person aiming, on par with mouse-keyboard even.

I wish I could say I'm surprised of such bitchy backlash from this community considering how much they want innovation in games, MMO's specifically, but then I remember that we fear chains.

I'm all for innovation that works, is useful and improves the games. I don't see this one doing that. Innovation on consoles would be a useable mouse/keyboard combo, not a dildo with a flail attached. Not a remote control. It just smacks of the out-there school of thought in Nintendo that brought us the Virtual Boy. Or the DS. Or the Micro GBA.

[AOFanboi]

Innovation on consoles would be a useable mouse/keyboard combo

No that NOT fucking innovation, that's just trying to turn consoles into PCs because you're afraid of change. It's like saying that cars suck because you don't put horses in front of them. If you want mouse and keyboard on your console, throw some money at Infinium, they probably have a big hole to fill before they can launch the Phantom.

An N-way motion-detecting, expandable, combining, wireless controller? Yes please. And the games to exploit the new ways of playing. We're talking Samba Di Amigo maracas, but generalized.

Adding non-intuitive PC shit to a mass-market entertainment device? Sucks so badly it hurts. Have you left your brain switch in the "off" position?

[Pococurante]

No that NOT fucking innovation (...)

Yes that is the definition of Innovation - perhaps the word in your mind is Creative.

Convergence is completely about innovation - taking the familiar and blending them to get the best of formerly-disparate conveniences.  I suspect keyboards are going to be with us for a very long while; it would take a complete neural jack to eclipse them.

[Yegolev]

Oh, I get it. Turn the remote part horizontally and it's an original Nes Controller. Add on the Analog stick to play N64 and gamecube games. Ho ho ho. Very clever Nintendo. Now how the fuck do I play Resident Evil 4?

I only read down to this point, so sorry if this has been mentioned.  The GC-style controller ports are present on the Rev for a reason, and I had originally decided that reason was because the new controller was going to be unusable for Cube games.  I don't consider this a big deal since I can just plug in my Wavebird.

Now, to read the rest of the thread.

[HaemishM]

Innovation on consoles would be a useable mouse/keyboard combo

No that NOT fucking innovation, that's just trying to turn consoles into PCs because you're afraid of change. It's like saying that cars suck because you don't put horses in front of them. If you want mouse and keyboard on your console, throw some money at Infinium, they probably have a big hole to fill before they can launch the Phantom.

An N-way motion-detecting, expandable, combining, wireless controller? Yes please. And the games to exploit the new ways of playing. We're talking Samba Di Amigo maracas, but generalized.

Adding non-intuitive PC shit to a mass-market entertainment device? Sucks so badly it hurts. Have you left your brain switch in the "off" position?

For everyone of Nintendo's (or others) control innovations, there have been fuckall for games. Virtual Boy? Power Glove? DDR Mat? Eyetoy? Please name me 5 games for each (or even one) of those innovations that were all truly great games. They are gimmicks, just like this controller. Convergence is an innovation, and it's the one the consoles are following best. The X-Box 360, for all its stupidity, is also converging the Internet with a Set-Top Box. The Media Center? Also goodness which I can get great use out of.

I don't care what anyone says, there won't be enough games to make that little toy remote controller's unique features worth a damn. Just like the DS's touch screen, or the Power Glove or the Virtual Boy, or the EyeToy for that matter. But there will be a ton of FPS games that would benefit from a decent controller, and a mouse and keyboard is that controller. Not to mention making that whole typing thing easier. Shit, if my X-Box could surf the web, type a Word doc and download pr0n, I WOULDN'T NEED A PC.

I look forward to bowing down to our new console overlords. But I'll be doing it with a controller that's worth a damn, not this toy.

[AOFanboi]

Shit, if my X-Box could surf the web, type a Word doc and download pr0n, I WOULDN'T NEED A PC.

No, because you would in effect have one with the word "PC" crossed out and "X-Box" written on in crayon.

PC games use the keyboard and mouse because they are there and because PCs do not come with a controller. That doesn't make it a good idea to play games with them.

I look forward to bowing down to our new console overlords. But I'll be doing it with a controller that's worth a damn, not this toy.

Or rather, you will be doing it with a controller that has hardly evolved from the PS2 DualShock 2, because it feels known and safe instead of new and frightening. Why did we ever leave the single-button, eight-way digital joystick is all I want to know.