Patent litigation for fun and profit, part 17.

[Shockeye]

Creative Threatens Apple with UI Patent
By Nate Mook, BetaNews
August 30, 2005, 8:29 AM

While it struggles to compete with Apple in the marketplace, Creative is exploring a new avenue for dethroning the digital music king: patent litigation. Creative announced Tuesday it had been granted a patent covering the user interface for portable media players, including the iPod.

Specifically, the patent involves the method for selecting at least one track on a portable player as a user sequentially browses through a hierarchy of three or more screens on the display. For example, the patent would cover a user navigating from an artist, to a list of albums, to a list of songs on an album.

"According to one aspect of the present invention, a technique is provided for organizing tracks on a portable music player by automatically filing tracks in a hierarchical order based on attributes of the tracks," patent application 6,928,433 reads.

"According to another aspect of the invention, the hierarchy is derived by using metadata associated with the audio content that was obtained through any source of metadata (e.g. CDDB metadata, id3v2 metadata, other obtainable metadata) and subsequently stored with or alongside the file that stores the track."

Apple's iPod and iPod mini employ a similar interface, Creative claims. The company says that interface was invented by "Creative research and development engineers in our Advanced Technology Center in Scotts Valley, California."

The so-called "Zen Patent" was filed on January 5, 2001 and awarded August 9, 2005. The interface referenced in the patent was used in Creative's NOMAD Jukebox, which debuted in September 2000. Creative points out that the iPod did not ship for another 13 months.

Although Creative did not say whether it planned to ask Apple to license the Zen Patent and pay a fee for each iPod sold, company CEO Sim Wong Hoo hinted that Creative would protect its work. "Before this invention, there was no intuitive and efficient way to deal with the large number of tracks that could be stored on a high-capacity player," noted Hoo.

Hoo also took the time to point out that Apple's patent application for the iPod interface was not filed until October 28, 2002.

"A related provisional application was filed by Apple on July 30, 2002, eighteen months after our filing date for the Zen Patent and over twenty months after our NOMAD Jukebox based upon our user interface was on the market," he said.

Creative will soon launch its new Zen Vision player and the long-awaited Zen Micro Photo with OLED screen - both of which utilize the interface described in the Zen Patent, company officials say.

I'm no rocket scientist, but this patent seems pretty silly.

[Bunk]

"Before this invention, there was no intuitive and efficient way to deal with the large number of tracks that could be stored on a high-capacity player," noted Hoo.

Liar! I had my records sorted by genre, artist, and then individual album on my shelf in the early 80s.

I know! lets take the only logical method of sorting music and patent it!

Is it normal for a patent to take 4 years to be granted?

[Flashman]

Is it normal for a patent to take 4 years to be granted?

Yeah it can take that long. There's a backlog here at the PTO and the cases we look at now in Trademarks were filed a year ago. It's worse in Patents. The applicant has 6 months to respond to each letter I write, so it can take years. I have a couple trademark applications filed in 2000-2001 that still haven't worked their way through the process yet.

[Stephen Zepp]

This shit has really got to stop. I guess taxonomy should have been patented in the 1700's and everyone that ever tries to classify a newly discovered species should pay a license fee as well.

Imagine having to pay a fee to the Dewey Decimal System owners every time you put a book back up on a library shelf...

[Shockeye]

Imagine having to pay a fee to the Dewey Decimal System owners every time you put a book back up on a library shelf...

<grumble>Maybe if they had to pay people would put things back in the right spot...</grumble>

[Strazos]

Truely, there is absolutly no point to some patents.

[Shockeye]

Truely, there is absolutly no point to some patents.

It's about suing for royalties.

[Strazos]

I meant logically. That's like owning a patent on a zipper that zips vertically up, or sorting crayons in a box by realitive color. It's like, "Duh."

[Krakrok]

Nintendo patented insanity in video games. Now what.

[Murgos]

I used several menu driven dos-applications back in the 80's that are very similar to that style of navigation.  Also, the concept of data that describes a file and is external to the file is as old as, well, file systems.  This seems like a huge waste of time and effort to me.

[Shockeye]

Creative MP3 players ship with virus

By John Leyden

Published Thursday 1st September 2005 12:49 GMT

Creative Labs has instituted a partial product recall after discovering that it accidentally shipped approximately 3,700 MP3 players contaminated with a Windows virus. Filesystems of affected 5GB Zen Neeons players contain a file infected with the Wullik-B (AKA Rays-A) email worm. The worm won't infect PCs unless the user browses the player files and clicks on the infected file, security firm F-Secure reports.

The worm involved in this case was first spotted in November 2003 and is fairly obscure. It's likely it got onto the infected players after a Windows PC used in Creative's production line got clobbered by the malware. Wullik-B spreads by either mass mailing copies of itself or by dropping itself into shared folders.
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Creative is reporting that the virus affects players with serial numbers between 1230528000001 and 1230533001680 that have shipped in Japan in late July. According to a translation of Creative's statement (in Japanese) on the security flap the firm has temporarily stopped shipping Zen Neeons players while its partners assist in the recall of the infected batch. The firm said it has identified the source of the outbreak and fixed the problem. Creative said the virus contamination issue was confined to Zen Neeons players and didn't affect any of its other products. ®

Was the virus part of the patent?

[WayAbvPar]

LMAO! Now that is customer service.

[HaemishM]

The idea that a user interface can be patented is fucking retarded in the extreme, unless the patent can only be used to mean that the particular, specific lines of code are copied between the two.

Patent and copyright laws need an enema.