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on: August 21, 2005, 01:30:26 AM

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(And I'm pretty sure "Japanese people are crazy." doesn't cover it.)
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Reply #1 on: August 21, 2005, 01:57:44 AM

It's Lame.

The End.

Quite frankly, a lot of Adult Swim, to me, right now, is trash. S-Cry-Ed, Zatch Bell, and Fullmetal Alchemist? Garbage.

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Reply #2 on: August 21, 2005, 03:26:27 AM

Zatch Bell isn't on Adult Swim.  It's on an hour or so before Adult Swim.

Scryed does suck.

Full Metal Alchemist is growing on me.

Paranoia Agent had my interest since the beginning, and I just watched the last episode, and still have no damn idea.

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Reply #3 on: August 21, 2005, 11:25:40 AM

It's Lame.

The End.

Quite frankly, a lot of Adult Swim, to me, right now, is trash. S-Cry-Ed, Zatch Bell, and Fullmetal Alchemist? Garbage.
FMA is great, Champloo has its moments. The rest I can take or leave at the moment.

Paranoia Agent I can only explain as follows:
-Sukiko gets a dog when she's little, fucks up, lets dog get killed.
-She makes up the story about a kid attacking her with a baseball bat.
-Lie eventually consumes her years later and both her dog and the made up Little Slugger find their way out into reality.
-Little Slugger, now real, clonks anyone at the end of their emotional rope to "save" them. It actually works for the most part.
<Insert most of the series showing Little Slugger's victims and his growth in power>
-A delusional kid who mimics Slugger gets caught by the two police officers, and eventually kills himself. Officers are fired.
<More episodes of Slugger knocking people off>
-Little Slugger and Maromi are now so powerful reality is starting to break down. People are either getting sent to la-la-land by Slugger, or escaping there themselves with Maromi.
-Both officers are now in their own little worlds. One (Maniwa) is obsessed with destroying little slugger and is in his own little superhero world, the other (Ikari) is wallowing in the past since he doesn't feel he has a place in this time.
-Ikari's wife sees straight through Little Slugger and his purpose, making him vanish in a fury, and eventually dies from her longtime illness after explaining her encounter to Maniwa.
-Maniwa confronts Sukiko with the truth, all hell breaks loose. Sukiko runs and finds her way into Ikari's world.
-Ikari's wife says farewell to Ikari, making him realise he was just hiding from reality, he tears down the fake world he's in.
-All hell breaks even further loose.
-Sukiko eventually confronts the death of her dog and comes to terms with it, Little Slugger disappears.
-Tokyo gets rebuilt, everyone goes back to their lives. Another cute animal character appears on tv, and a white-haired version of Maniwa is frantically scribbling math equations in the hospital parking lot. OH NOES, ITLL HAPPEN AGAIN

It would've been cooler IMO if Tokyo hadn't actually been destroyed. It would've driven home the psychological point a bit harder.

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Reply #4 on: August 21, 2005, 02:48:56 PM

white-haired version of Maniwa is frantically scribbling math equations in the hospital parking lot. OH NOES, ITLL HAPPEN AGAIN

Ooooh.  That sounds right.  I knew it was him with the math equation, but I had no idea what they were expecting to communicate with it.

Questions I still have:

What was the deal with the suicidal trio?  They were already dead, right?  Why the condom machine at the end of the episode?  What was the pill?  Why'd Little Slugger run from them?  There seemed to be a lot of unanswered questions about them.

They keep saying Maromi and Little Slugger are the same thing.  But they're not... unless they mean "same thing" like "That rock and that rock are the same thing" and not "That rock and that rock are both the same rock."

So we don't really know WHY these lies broke out into reality.  I mean, I get the backstory, but it's not like Sukiko is some powerful psion whose mental troubles come into reality, right?  Did they ever explain why her troubles came out but no one else's did?  Initially I thought the idea was that Little Slugger was a manifestation of the, if you will, collective subconcious desires of everyone who felt trapped in the city.  Same deal for Maromi's weirder manifestations.  But it turns out that it's all because of one girl. What makes her so special, I guess, is my question.

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Reply #5 on: August 21, 2005, 04:33:31 PM

Most of it sucked, but a few are golden. The Gossip episode and Suicide Club episode were good.  Humor, of the darkest nature.

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Reply #6 on: August 21, 2005, 05:28:15 PM

The Gossip episode grated on me. The gossipers...I just want to stab those kind of characters.

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Reply #7 on: August 21, 2005, 11:20:07 PM

I watched Scryed a few years ago. It was....no good at all.

Zatch Bell is art. Insane Japanese Art. I'm pretty sure shows like that, Jungle Wa, Colorful, Excel Saga, and a few others represent a visual pop art medium that America pretty much hasn't caught onto here. Chaos in animated form. The closest we get is that Bugs Bunny and Daffy cartoon where Bugs is the artist and starts drawing wacky outfits on Daffy but they don't reveal that Bugs is the artist until the end of the episode.

I still need to watch Paranoia Agent. FMA has the most annoying english dubs I've ever heard. Eventually I'll download it or get some dvds.
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Reply #8 on: August 21, 2005, 11:45:22 PM

I watched Scryed a few years ago. It was....no good at all.

Zatch Bell is art. Insane Japanese Art. I'm pretty sure shows like that, Jungle Wa, Colorful, Excel Saga, and a few others represent a visual pop art medium that America pretty much hasn't caught onto here. Chaos in animated form. The closest we get is that Bugs Bunny and Daffy cartoon where Bugs is the artist and starts drawing wacky outfits on Daffy but they don't reveal that Bugs is the artist until the end of the episode.

I still need to watch Paranoia Agent. FMA has the most annoying english dubs I've ever heard. Eventually I'll download it or get some dvds.
Zatch bell is not unique at all in concept, but the art stylings are admittedly pretty whacked at times. The little girl with the dot eyes and huge mouth scares the shit out of me.

And I still don't get people ragging on FMA over its dub or just in general. Before it got licensed here and I didn't know anything about it all the bittorrenting anime fags were splooging everywhere over it. Same with Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Adult Swim gets them, then boom, hate all around.

Ditto for Wolf's Rain, but after watching the whole series, it really did kinda suck.

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Reply #9 on: August 21, 2005, 11:49:46 PM

And I still don't get people ragging on FMA over its dub or just in general. Before it got licensed here and I didn't know anything about it all the bittorrenting anime fags were splooging everywhere over it. Same with Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Adult Swim gets them, then boom, hate all around.

If it makes you feel warm inside, I didn't like the first 6 episodes of FMA I saw on fansub. Or GiTS:TV either. Both pretty shitty.

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Ditto for Wolf's Rain, but after watching the whole series, it really did kinda suck

Not just kinda.
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Reply #10 on: August 22, 2005, 12:03:52 AM

I'd rather watch GitS or Wolf's Rain than Zatch Bell or FMA. I find both of the latter shows to be extremely annoying. One Piece gets my ire as well.

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Reply #11 on: August 22, 2005, 12:07:45 AM

I'd rather watch GitS or Wolf's Rain than Zatch Bell or FMA. I find both of the latter shows to be extremely annoying. One Piece gets my ire as well.
One Piece got easily one of the worst butchering jobs in anime history in terms of editing and dubbing. I fucking hate sub/dub argument retards, but JESUS, it was bad. Really, really bad.

And I still don't get people ragging on FMA over its dub or just in general. Before it got licensed here and I didn't know anything about it all the bittorrenting anime fags were splooging everywhere over it. Same with Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Adult Swim gets them, then boom, hate all around.

If it makes you feel warm inside, I didn't like the first 6 episodes of FMA I saw on fansub. Or GiTS:TV either. Both pretty shitty.
I liked GiTS outside of the poser philosophy bullshit and the podunk explanation they use to hold the whole concept together (the "ghost" itself). Full Metal Alchemist I rather like myself. Good animation, character designs, decent dub, dramatic and funny at times, not afraid to whack popular characters. It's a winner to me.

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Reply #12 on: August 22, 2005, 02:26:08 AM

The closest we get is that Bugs Bunny and Daffy cartoon where Bugs is the artist and starts drawing wacky outfits on Daffy but they don't reveal that Bugs is the artist until the end of the episode.

Duck Amok is the name of the episode.  It's the finest thing ever animated.

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Reply #13 on: August 22, 2005, 02:16:10 PM

I just cannot tolerate whiney-ass characters. They're not too bad in Wolf's Rain, but they are too prevalent in FMA, ZB, and One Piece. I don't care what direction they take with the art, just make the dialogue not Annoying.

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Reply #14 on: August 22, 2005, 02:25:35 PM

Never EVER, EVER watch the OnePiece dub, and you will be a much happer, saner fan.

The one piece dub is one of the only dubbed anime where I literally had to flee from the room 2 minutes into the first episode, from the sheer horror at how badly they had butchered it from the origional.

If you want to watch OnePiece, grab the Fansubs.  You will be happy that you did.

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Reply #15 on: August 22, 2005, 02:37:39 PM

Everything about One Piece just screams "Stupid" to me. I have no desire to go out of my way to see it in any other form.


The same goes for just about anything on TV, except for Flyers' Hockey.

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Reply #16 on: August 22, 2005, 03:10:23 PM

The only character who irritated me in Full Metal, and she possibly irritated me more than any other character ever so it was pretty significant, was the little girl who called Edward "Wittwe Big Bwodduh".  I swear to fucking god, that lisp could not be more annoying.

That's the first time I cheered the death of a little girl.  She was the Anakin of FMA to me. "Yippee!"

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Reply #17 on: August 22, 2005, 03:36:58 PM

Alphonse annoys the shit out of me.

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Reply #18 on: August 22, 2005, 03:38:40 PM

I think he's a good character, but is portrayed by an irritating voice actor.

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Reply #19 on: August 22, 2005, 03:59:17 PM

Wolf's Rain was awful. It suffered from what a lot of anime suffered from - "our budget is small so let's make everything reaaaaaly sloooooow". The plot was pretty incomprehensible as well.

One Piece looks retarded. Yikes.

The new Ghost in the Shell is awful, the plots are generic and the art style is very bland and asceptic.

FMA isn't that bad. It's not super-slow moving like a lot of anime. Alphonse' voice is bad but it kind of grows on you. I don't hate it but I feel no compulsion to watch it.

Now that I think about it, Gundam Seed also suffers from the same apparent budget problems. (I can't say for sure they are budget issues, but long drawn out episodes where nothing much animates is usually a sign of that) There are a lot of anime shows where the action could easily take place in half the time with nothing being lost.

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Reply #20 on: August 22, 2005, 04:04:54 PM

I think the entire series of Dragon Ball Z could be cut down to about 3 episodes.

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Reply #21 on: August 22, 2005, 06:53:26 PM

Oh yeah, SChild, if you want fucking insanity, Toonami of all things is getting BoBoBoBoBoBoBo.

Yes, that's the series' name. BoBoBoBoBoBoBo.


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Reply #22 on: August 22, 2005, 07:40:53 PM

I don't actually mind the english dubs of FMA.  They did pick a stupid time to go into reruns with it though, if you've got all the episodes just go ahead and do the full run.

Ghost in the Shell is just lame, an occasional good one but most are meh.

Paranoia agent to me was the opposite, I like most of the episodes but occasionally they have one I just hate.
(By the way I think the suicide club one they weren't dead.  The thing was they all wanted to die but they found meaning in each other and became a familly, and little slugger ran away from them because they weren't emotionally cornered.  The condom thing at the end said familly planning center.)


Scryd is bad, but I actually am starting to watch it a bit.  It fills the role of something like inuyasha.

What I really need to see all the way through is FLCL but I never can stay up to catch it and don't have a tivo here.
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Reply #23 on: August 22, 2005, 08:00:27 PM

I love FLCL...I almost bought a copy of the series, but Ebay shut the auction down.

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Reply #24 on: August 22, 2005, 08:12:09 PM

(By the way I think the suicide club one they weren't dead.  The thing was they all wanted to die but they found meaning in each other and became a familly, and little slugger ran away from them because they weren't emotionally cornered.  The condom thing at the end said familly planning center.)

Then how come they didn't have shadows?
And how come the group of girls at the end didn't seem to notice them until they looked at the photo they'd just taken?  (Girls pose for photo, trio jumps up and poses behind them, not a blink from the girls, the polaroid pops out and they look at it and scream)

If they weren't dead, seemed something was pretty out of wack there..

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Reply #25 on: August 23, 2005, 12:41:53 PM

Everything about One Piece just screams "Stupid" to me. I have no desire to go out of my way to see it in any other form.

Eh, I personally rank OnePiece as one of my top 10 anime serieses.  The main problem most people seem to have is they get put off by the first bunch of episodes.  The series starts off kind of slow/silly (first 3 or 4 eps), but by time you get past ep 10, it really picks up and grows on you.

That, and I will say it again, never EVER watch the Dub.  They butchered the show, fucked up the characters/voices, and in some cases changed the plot/character motivations soo badly that watching the origional is like watching a different series alltogether.

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Reply #26 on: August 23, 2005, 01:14:06 PM

Just looking at the animation it looks more like Pokemon than anything I'd want to watch.




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Reply #27 on: August 23, 2005, 02:30:17 PM

I just got satellite a couple weeks ago so I didn't get to see much of Paranoia Agent.
But I really liked what I saw.
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Reply #28 on: August 23, 2005, 02:40:57 PM

That, and I will say it again, never EVER watch the Dub.  They butchered the show, fucked up the characters/voices, and in some cases changed the plot/character motivations soo badly that watching the origional is like watching a different series alltogether.

Interesting.  I've been watching the CN dub and I've been drawn-in.  I thought after the first few episodes it was going to be drek like that Shaman King or Duel Monsters shit that was on a few months back.  I've been happily wrong, however.  Sure it's a little wacky, but I only like my ultra-serious animes in the Sci-Fi flavor.  I'll have to hunt-out some of the fansub/dubs of OP if I ever remember to do so.

Zach Bell is pretty fun too.  It gets wild enough to make my wife and I look at each other and ask, "Did we just see that? What the Fuck?", but it's still good.  Plus the storyline is progressing, compared to say the Gundam series or Dragonball, so double plus good.

FMA is good if you get past the first few episodes.  I took the advice from the folks at Corp who insisted you had to wait out the first  5-7 episodes to get into it. Yeah, that's a long time to get going, but I was glad I stuck with it.   

Also, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who couldn't stand Wolf's Rain.  Needles, fingernails.

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Reply #29 on: August 23, 2005, 02:47:30 PM

My girlfriend loves Wolf's Rain.

I've tried numerous times to get into it... I always find some way to distract myself, whether that's by falling asleep or thinking "I'll just play some CoH during the commercials, then stop when it comes back on" and never noticing when it comes back on.

That my subconcious mind tries so very hard to ignore it says something to me.

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