Those wacky Jews were on to something.

[Shockeye]

Circumcision 'helps to halt HIV'

Last Updated: Tuesday, 26 July, 2005, 18:59 GMT 19:59 UK

New research suggests circumcision could be effective in preventing the spread of HIV among men.

The study of more than 3,000 men in South Africa was done by the French agency for Aids and Viral Hepatitis.

The data, outlined at a conference in Brazil, shows male circumcision prevented about seven of 10 infections.

UN health agencies have cautioned that more trials are necessary before they will recommend this as a method to protect against Aids.

Previous studies have suggested that men who are circumcised have a lower rate of HIV infection.

It is thought that the cells of the foreskin are much more susceptible to HIV than cells on other parts of the penis, so by removing the foreskin, the likelihood of infection drops.

Further trials are being carried out in Uganda and Kenya to measure the effect of circumcision on other populations.

If similar results are found, then circumcision could be used alongside condoms to prevent the spread of HIV, the BBC's Ania Lichtarowicz reports from the conference in Rio de Janeiro.

But implementing this measure on a large scale will be complicated, our correspondent says.

She says that ensuring safe techniques and changing cultural and social attitudes towards male circumcision will prove challenging.

I don't know about you, but I prefer my men cut.

[voodoolily]

Does circumcision really help when you're getting fucked in the ass? Just sayin'. 

And I don't know about South AFrica, but I thought circumcision was a rite of passage for adolescent boys of various tribes already.

[Signe]

... and women, too.  It's totally barbaric and you have to wonder about the people who think these things up. 

(although a neatly trimmed cock does look nice)

[voodoolily]

Yes, barbaric indeed.

I agree

[Samwise]

I bet cutting off the whole thing is even more effective.

[SuperPopTart]

You know, instead of employing a knife..

Employ a chastity belt.

[Strazos]

I couldn't imagine having all that extra tissue...down there.

I also couldn't imagine actually having to make the choice myself and go through the pain and trauma.

Ouch.

[Ironwood]

Sounds like a damn conspiracy and propaganda sent out by the Jews in charge of the World.  Gurndammit.

Or Not.

I'd like to see how they're coming to the conclusion that it's the slice that's stopping it, rather than anything else.

[stray]

I honestly believe that it is a conspiracy. For what? I don't know. Is it a form of evangelism? If the Jewish people want some of their beliefs and/or parts of their culture to seap into the rest of society, couldn't they think of something just a little less harmful? I mean, the Italians seem to be pretty happy with Pizza and Spaghetti. Why not bagels, lox, and cream cheese for the Jews?

[Murgos]

Why not bagels, lox, and cream cheese for the Jews?

With a nice tomato and little bit of onion?

I for one welcome our secret cabalah overloards.

[voodoolily]

Aren't Christians circumcised also? WHy does everythig hafta be a conspiracy? What are all the food references?

[Signe]

Aren't Christians circumcised also? WHy does everythig hafta be a conspiracy? What are all the food references?

My grandfather used to say that if you plant all the bits they snip off of Jews and plant them in the ground, Irish cops will grow.  I'm not quite sure exactly what that means but I'm sure it's not nice.  My grandfather pretty much hated everyone.  Especially Swedish people.

[Pococurante]

Especially Swedish people.

Violent bunch.

[HaemishM]

What cultures don't circumcise nowadays? I know there are some Euros that don't do it, but I can't think of any religious sects that don't circumcise.

[AOFanboi]

Aren't Christians circumcised also?

Only you whacky Americans. Here in Europe it's something those equally whacky Jews and Muslims do.

[voodoolily]

Fair enough. Glad I don't have a penis.

[Samwise]

Yup, Christians dropped the circumcision requirement around the time they dropped the kosher requirement.  It was a deal-breaker for the Greeks, as I recall.  (Not sure how it ended up so popular in America...)

[stray]

Aren't Christians circumcised also? WHy does everythig hafta be a conspiracy? What are all the food references?

No. Or at least, it has nothing to do with it. The main thing about Christianity is that people are welcome to the God of Israel without having to become converts to traditional Judaism. Actually, back then, the Christians (the majority of whom were Jews themselves) saw it as the next step of Judaism, not a seperate entity. So in fact, Gentiles converting to Christianity were actually converting to Judaism. Just a more inclusive form of it, and one that believed that the Messiah had finally come. It wasn't until later that it took on a more Roman/Byzantine personality of it's own.

Why does everything have to be a conspiracy?

Hmm...All I know is that circumcision has become a common practice in the Western world, especially in the States, for the last 50 years now. Every once in a while, the medical community comes up with some reason to justify it.....But why? It's a religious ritual. You don't see Christians trying to baptize every little kid for "medical reasons" do you?

Why the food references?

It's just a joke. There are many wonderful things to share about Jewish culture, but for some reason, the one that has come into the collective conscious the most is circumcision?

That deserves a "WTF?" if you ask me.

[Pococurante]

(Not sure how it ended up so popular in America...)

It's a mystery.

(although a neatly trimmed cock does look nice)

I agree

[stray]

By "trim" I thought they meant something else.

[Polysorbate80]

Especially Swedish people.

Let me guess:  Norwegian?

[Pococurante]

By "trim" I thought they meant something else.

Fortunately for all you do it yourselfers there is... the SmartKlamp!

[Signe]

I'm sure everyone's penis, trimmed or untrimmed, is equally lovely.

[voodoolily]

Or ridiculous-looking, as it were.

[stray]

I'm sure everyone's penis, trimmed or untrimmed, is equally lovely.

But what kind of "trim" are you talking about? The Semitic kind, or the Metrosexual kind?

Note: And I can't believe a fellow Scandie is talking like this. Either way, we're supposed to be proud of our hairy, pagan-like ways y'know?

[Yegolev]

In the TMI department, I can't imagine how things would operate without the foreskin.  It's inthinkable.

In the conspiracy department, one of the pediatricians swarming around my son's birth was Jewish.  We had said the whole time that we didn't want a circumcision.  Several times, in fact.  So he comes around and says something about taking Sam off for the snip and we say that we aren't doing that.  I swear, five minutes later, he's about to wheel the little guy off like we had not said anything.  More timid parents might have let him get away with it, but we bluntly said something like "we said NO circumcision".

I'm not trying to bash a culture here, but there ya go.

[Signe]

I don't know what you mean by the metrosexual trim.  I was just talking to S-Child about pop culture words.  I mostly don't say them or even get them.  I'm really out of the loop when it comes to this century, it seems.  What the fuck is a metrosexually trimmed cock?  Feather cut and long on the sides?

[stray]

What the fuck is a metrosexually trimmed cock?

As Ali-G would say: "Shaving the goolies."

[Samwise]

In the conspiracy department, one of the pediatricians swarming around my son's birth was Jewish.  We had said the whole time that we didn't want a circumcision.  Several times, in fact.  So he comes around and says something about taking Sam off for the snip and we say that we aren't doing that.  I swear, five minutes later, he's about to wheel the little guy off like we had not said anything.  More timid parents might have let him get away with it, but we bluntly said something like "we said NO circumcision".

Also possibly in the TMI category, that's more or less what happened when I was born, except I don't know about the Jewish part.  All my mother told me is that she had to keep fighting off some nurse who was holding a scalpel and eyeing my wang eagerly.

[Yegolev]

What the fuck is a metrosexually trimmed cock?

As Ali-G would say: "Shaving the goolies."

[Yegolev]

Also possibly in the TMI category, that's more or less what happened when I was born, except I don't know about the Jewish part.  All my mother told me is that she had to keep fighting off some nurse who was holding a scalpel and eyeing my wang eagerly.

Could as easily be a medical thing instead of a Jewish thing.  He was the only Jew in the swarm.

[Polysorbate80]

Circumcision at its peak it was performed on over 90% of American males, often without ever asking the parents (I believe until lawsuits began forcing hospitals to ask permission first.)

I think the number is now more like 60%, as people come to realize that there is no point to it--in fact, the 'diseases' it was largely meant to 'cure' were thought to be caused by masturbation in the late 19th century.

That was the whole original point of mass clippings...to stop them kiddos from spanking the monkey.  Somewhere along the line it ballooned into becoming the norm, so that you were the freak if you weren't cut.

[Yegolev]

Circumcision at its peak it was performed on over 90% of American males, often without ever asking the parents (I believe until lawsuits began forcing hospitals to ask permission first.)

I think the number is now more like 60%, as people come to realize that there is no point to it--in fact, the 'diseases' it was largely meant to 'cure' were thought to be caused by masturbation in the late 19th century.

That was the whole original point of mass clippings...to stop them kiddos from spanking the monkey.  Somewhere along the line it ballooned into becoming the norm, so that you were the freak if you weren't cut.

I see, as usual it was because he was an old, out-of-touch white male.

[schild]

You don't see Christians trying to baptize every little kid for "medical reasons" do you?

Yea, that's the same. 

There are many wonderful things to share about Jewish culture, but for some reason, the one that has come into the collective conscious the most is circumcision?

Instead of one day of presents we have eight crazy[/b] nights.

[schild]

For fun:

1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!

2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.

3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?

The fact you have to clean Under Something freaks me out enough. But here's the rest of the info: Circinfo.

Hey, but if you're into that. Enjoy the smegma. For those of you completely not in the know:

smeg·ma (smgm)
n.

A sebaceous secretion, especially the whitish cheesy secretion that collects under the prepuce of the penis or around the clitoris.

Also, when was the last time you saw an uncut guy in porn?

I think I just made this thread denworthy...

...or spongeworthy.