Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?

[WindupAtheist]

Been doing a lot of questing in WoW with a girl from my old UO guild.  Or if not exactly running around side-by-side, then grouped while we run separate errands.  In these last couple weeks, I've noticed a large difference in how we're treated, and it occurrs to me that the difference was never nearly so pronounced back in UO.  (High-level losers mailing her free loot out of nowhere are great because, you know, free loot.  But I could have done without the lowbie who, after emoting /flirt a few times, rushed in to "help" us kill some named orc in Redridge and pulled half the place down on us.)  Is it WoW's shinier and more boobtastic graphics?  A younger demographic?  A ton of MMO newbs, not properly fearful of mangina?

[Rasix]

It was just as bad in EQ.

[Sairon]

I even know people who start female toons, when they're male. And not only because of the benefit of looking at a female ass instead of a male one, but because of all the freebies.

[schild]

The only game I've played where I made a toon purposefully female was City of Heroes. My reasons were three-fold.

1. They do have round asses that bounce around in miniskirts.
2. I don't feel as silly when I give a female superhero a silly name combined with the fact there are way too many male superheroes and most of them bore me to tears. Jubillee 4 life.
3. The clothing was better. And you could get away with bright colors without looking like a pansy.

Edit: In other games I play females for no reason other than males are looking less rugged and more....ambiguously gay.

[WindupAtheist]

Given the purported freedom and depth of the CoH character creation system, and what you chose to do with it, I can only respond...

lol h0m0

Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.

[AOFanboi]

3. The clothing was better.

Yeah, why do they do that? Same was the case in Matrix Online: Female characters got the best clothes.

I guess the answer is the same as the answer to why there are three times as many stores carrying women's clothing as men's.

[schild]

Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.

Because the characters were 16x16 sprites. Seriously man, don't even compare things like EQ2 and CoH and WoW with UO in terms of things like graphics. UO was a nasty festering pile of monkey shit. Final Fantasy VI looked lightyears beyond it.

[Jobu]

"Is the WoW population inordinately pervy?" or "Is the <adolescent male> inordinately pervy?". Kind of answers itself, huh?

I've noticed a kind of progress towards the way female avatars are treated, personally. My main in Warcraft is a chick (because the art for the chicks looks better than the dudes. Pure aesthetic decision) and I get the typical "A/S/L" crap, and people quick to help out when I need it. I've made some female characters in CoH because it was fun making overtly obvious slut characters as a joke. Same shit as before, "Are you girl IRL?".

But when I made a female character in UO, I was met with "bitch, slut, skank, whore" more than anything else. I haven't encountered that at all in any of the MMOs I've played lately.

[Pococurante]

Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.

It sure as hell was when I played from 1997 to 2001.  I got to where I put in the profiles for my characters, "YES I'M REALLY A GUY - BUZZ OFF".  Not that anyone read them.

Our guild in WoW is pretty quick to let pickup members know the people behind the toons don't play their gender half the time and the spouses switch off depending on the desired playstyle for the night.  OTOH I recently got booted from a pickup when the two femme toons asked me first off if I was a guy and I said yup.  Yeah we perverts always tell the truth!

One day, long after I'm dead, video games will have helped force stereotypes out of society.

[MrHat]

Our guild in WoW is pretty quick to let pickup members know the people behind the toons don't play their gender half the time and the spouses switch off depending on the desired playstyle for the night.  OTOH I recently got booted from a pickup when the two femme toons asked me first off if I was a guy and I said yup.  Yeah we perverts always tell the truth!

Could've been that the two female toons were guys looking for a girl to party with.

hehe, party, I'm funny.

[jpark]

Yes.  But it goes with everything esle - WoW is young and as a community does not compare well to EQ etc.

[Bunk]

I nearly made a Wolf Whistle at a female human in rather nice looking robe in a tavern last night... then fear of mangina took over, so I didn't.

Yes I've played characters of either gender in games, just depends on what suits my mood.

[Sogrinaugh]

What kind of queerbag servers are you people playing on.  We have one (real) chick in our guild (104 member roster), who plays a female toon, and several guys playing female toons.  According to her, she has only really been hit on by guys in-guild, and only after they found out for real for real she is in fact, a chick (we use vent).  Fortunately, she's not up-tight and tends to not care (and instead mocks the weak game).

Its no longer so much a matter of perversity, as it is stupidity, or perhaps severe retardation.  Im willling to bet you could explain to someone with DOWNSE SYNDROME that approx 7 to 9 times out of 10, its going to be a guy behind the keyboard of a female char, and not the sexy chick your sex-starved brainis dreams of.

Nobody to date that i have met in-game, who plays a female character, has ever gotten so much as 1 fucking copper as a "gift" for having a female toon.  In-game chat, i always see people refer to female toons as "him", and the players who actually are (or vehmently claim to be) female (who are rare), they have to fight quit abit of inertia to change that.  And one of the best-known "real" chick who is the leader of the largest raiding guild horde-side, plays a male toon.  Go fig.

Overall, most people dont seem to give to much of a shit about the sex of the other players.  In guild chat, in party chat with random people i dont know as well as friends i've known for a long time, people hardly seem to care.  They log on to waste away a few hours playing a stupid game then leave.  Even the primates have figured out by now that you are NOT meeting teh z3xxy babe in a mmog.

EDIT:  Not that anyone will tell me, but im gonna go ahead and ask WTF is "mangina"?  I had assumed it was a bastardization of Manga, as in a prono version of it, but the above comment makes me think perhaps my definition is wrong...

[jpark]

What kind of queerbag servers are you people playing on.

Ones where the dominant race choice is Night Elves.

[Threash]

I believe it came from the movie Deuce bigalow male gigolo, his pimp refered to his male whores as manginas.  Its short for man+vagina, nothing to do with manga.

[HaemishM]

Its no longer so much a matter of perversity, as it is stupidity, or perhaps severe retardation.

Have you READ the official WoW boards? Your answer lies within, young Padawan.

[Calantus]

Everyone I know assumes someone is male until proven otherwise. I play a fem toon simply because I dont like the look of male Tauren and it was always assumed I was male. Funny thing, the only female in our guild plays a male toon.

[Sairon]

I play a male toon because I can relate more to a male toon, as I'm male myself. It might sound sad but I feel like that brutal tauren runing around infront of me is me, in a sense. So I think it would feel stupid if it was a female. And I don't really care if I see a male ass or female ass because I don't get turned on even remotely by the back of a toon, certainly not one I'm going to look at so much anyway :P

Also tauren female looks like a real milk cow, and male tauren looks totaly bad ass once equpied. In my opinion there's nothing in WoW which looks cooler than a totaly black male tauren with a nice beard and sweet armor :D

[stray]

If it's an option, I always play scraggly, old, grey-haired male toons. Maybe not "aesthetically pleasing", but it bypasses "ambiguously gay" and "mangina" both.

[Fabricated]

EDIT: Not that anyone will tell me, but im gonna go ahead and ask WTF is "mangina"? I had assumed it was a bastardization of Manga, as in a prono version of it, but the above comment makes me think perhaps my definition is wrong...

Man + Vagina = Mangina.

Consider yourself enlightened, now spread this critical information unto the world.

[Der Helm]

Well, you could always do a google image search for "mangina"


Hint: Don't.

[Shockeye]

My GIS for "mangina" found this.

[Der Helm]

My GIS for "mangina" found this.

Next time some tells you "don't", don't.

EDIT: Does above statement makes sense ? I am suffering from a bad case of sleep deprivation at the moment. Go figure.

[Signe]

Fucking hell.

[Shockeye]

Fucking hell.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the post of the day.

[tazelbain]

I have logged into the GW's arenas to find people playing virtual rape.  So yeah, perverts are abound.

[schild]

What kind of queerbag servers are you people playing on.

Ones where the dominant race choice is Night Elves.

Sort of like days that end in 'y.'

And omfg to that mangina link. ...you bastard.

[WindupAtheist]

I dig it.

[stray]

I dig it.

Y'know, that almost tempted me to finally look...

[Ironwood]

From UO to WoW, my wife has found many, many, many bounties and advantages to being female and playing female.  She hardly ever notices it, but I'm always amazed at the discount she'll get from other players, the freebies, the help and the assistance.   As a Male Undead Rogue, I get dick apart from spat on.

She plays a female priest in WoW.  She gets a party invite every ten minutes on good days.

The trouble with a succesful game like WoW opening up the arena to the whole of humanity is the fact that you then get the whole of humanity in your game.

[stupid newbie]

Anyway, so why was all this asshattery less pronounced in UO then?  Oh it was still there, but it wasn't randomly accosting you in the street.

Because the characters were 16x16 sprites. Seriously man, don't even compare things like EQ2 and CoH and WoW with UO in terms of things like graphics. UO was a nasty festering pile of monkey shit. Final Fantasy VI looked lightyears beyond it.

But, but, appropriate graphics > good graphics. =(

Anyways, there'll  always be people who'll feel someone's gender is such a big deal, online or offline. I don't see why though, as  everyone's not the same obviously, and more or less value -shouldn't- be placed in someone based off of their gender. And it's obviously not something worth being pround of since well, it can be equated to something such as an asian teeny bopper yelling out "AzN PrIdE!!". It's like, yeah great buddy, I'm sure there's alot to be proud about having accomplished nothing.

The way I see it. Well, anyone who treats one person with respect or regards them higher for accomplishing nothing, and outright insults someone else for something they're not even responsible for, should expect to be treated likewise in return.

ho-ho-ho, lurker post. :<

[Bunk]

I don't think I have ever given free stuff to a female character because she was female. I tend to not even think about a character's gender until I get a decent idea of what their player's gender really is. In most cases, this means members of my guild. At this point it becomes moot because I'll give free shit to anyone in my guild.

One general thing I have noticed as far as pick up groups go; female characters generally seem to be played by less retardtastic players. I've had very few problems with pickup groups led by female characters. This observation of course does not apply to female characters that run around in their underwear, emoting at people. It seems to me that there are three types who play female characters:

1> mouth-breathing letches
2> guys confident enough in their manhood to play whatever they feel like
3> real women

Category 1 is usually very easy to recognize, and easy to /ignore. Category two and three generally make for more mature, half decent players. There are always exceptions to this, but I've been pretty lucky so far in picking random groups.

[Jayce]

Quick story:
When I played UO, I had the idea to start a female miner/crafter/etc.  I found an island that was mostly uninhabited on which I could mine, lumberjack, etc to my heart's content (this was back before lumberjacks had some combat applications).

Well, since it was MOSTLY uninhabited, I eventually ran across the inhabitants.  They were a group of RPers with a big guild hall and a throne.  The guy who sat the throne met me in the wild and invited me in. I thought this was a bit strange in this world of house thieves and PKs, but I took the chance, since here was a chance to study real RPers in their natural habitat.  After a bit of sitting on the throne, making small talk and *strokes his chin thoughtfully* emoting, one of the various guild members in the hall got around to asking me if I was fem IRL.  I said no.  Their manner suddenly turned cold and unresponsive.  Later I returned to the island to do some more mining, etc, and I never got another invite to the guild hall or even a "hello".

Conversely, in WoW, my wife plays the perhaps one out of 10,000 night elf females that's female IRL.  She has never gotten any real favors that we can specifically ascribe to her femaleness, just things like drive-by buffing that everyone gets periodically.

So, I've had the opposite experience.

[Signe]

I hardly ever get any free stuff, either. What's the use of having a vagina if you can't use it to exploit sexually frustrated teen-age gamers?  I have, however, received 2 team speak invites in CoH to PROVE I'm really female.  I simply tell them that when I teach my vagina to speak, everyone will know.  I'm sure even CNN will cover the story.

[Shockeye]

What's the use of having a vagina if you can't use it to exploit sexually frustrated teen-age gamers?

Gold.