Down the memory lane - what did DrTwister did to get hated?

[sinij]

Question for all old timers, what did DrTwister did back in UO days to become hated? Was it 'working' with GM Darwin?

[schild]

From the wiki (the actual wikipedia):

Lum's ascent into the heady world of high bandwidth bills was not without its follies. His attempt to register lumthemad.com was thwarted by a devious internet personality known as Dr. Twister. The good doctor managed to grab the site before Lum, and would only let him have it for a substantial amount of money. Instead, Lum settled for a .net extension.

I'm sure Lum can give more insight. I would link to the very old Corpnews interview, but it's an IRC Chat and doesn't actually give much information on this situation.

Edit: Link to the Wiki Entry
Edit: Brokentoys archives.

[Ookii]

From the same wikipedia article:

# F13, which wasn't well-received, kept a few of those who migrated from waterthread and is fairly active with new readers.

It's wikipedia right, someone should edit that shit, I mean that is what wikipedia is all about.

[schild]

This thread's about Dr.Twister, but I mean, that line is fairly accurate. We weren't well-received and compared to say, 1up.com, we're only fairly active.

[Roac]

I took it more to mean the dispute when Waterthread was merged with F13.  There was a fair amount of complaint about the move, with the rest being neutral.  Almost no one was happy.

[schild]

I took it more to mean the dispute when Waterthread was merged with F13.  There was a fair amount of complaint about the move, with the rest being neutral.  Almost no one was happy.

When life hands you lemons, make StarBurst Fruit Candies.

[Merusk]

Dr. Twister was hated because, as I recall, he was as slimy as snake oil.  His site was a hack/ exploit archive that always 'reported' the hacks with a proclimation of 'oh, gee I didn't expect people to actually USE them'.

I largely missed the Dr. Twister vs Lum days, since I didn't play UO (and found LTM through an odd cartoon by Evercrest, an old EQ comic that first gave Woody of GU his webspace.)

As for that wiki article, I'd say it's accurate.  It's tracing the lineage of Lum's site and the lummies.  While there's a lot of faces here, and some have been here for years, very few are lummies anymore and the 'merger' was taken very badly by most of those people. This site has it's own community now, one that mixes some lurkers from those days in but isn't defined by them.  If it were a Wiki article about gaming sites and rants and it dismissed F13 as 'not well-recieved' that'd be a different matter entirely.

[schild]

Dr. Twister was hated because, as I recall, he was as slimy as snake oil.  His site was a hack/ exploit archive that always 'reported' the hacks with a proclimation of 'oh, gee I didn't expect people to actually USE them'.

I largely missed the Dr. Twister vs Lum days, since I didn't play UO (and found LTM through an odd cartoon by Evercrest, an old EQ comic that first gave Woody of GU his webspace.)

I think someone needs to edit that shit into the Wiki entry.

As for that wiki article, I'd say it's accurate.  It's tracing the lineage of Lum's site and the lummies.  While there's a lot of faces here, and some have been here for years, very few are lummies anymore and the 'merger' was taken very badly by most of those people. This site has it's own community now, one that mixes some lurkers from those days in but isn't defined by them.  If it were a Wiki article about gaming sites and rants and it dismissed F13 as 'not well-recieved' that'd be a different matter entirely.

I agree.

[Pococurante]

Dr. Twister was hated because, as I recall, he was as slimy as snake oil.  His site was a hack/ exploit archive that always 'reported' the hacks with a proclimation of 'oh, gee I didn't expect people to actually USE them'.

'This is the only way to get OSI to fix these exploits!"

Which it didn't.

[Murgos]

...and found LTM through an odd cartoon by Evercrest, an old EQ comic that first gave Woody of GU his webspace...

Was that the one with Sock Puppet Abashi?  Fucking classic.

Dr. Twister was hated because he had a holier than thou attitude about being an exploiter.  Also, even though he published exploits, I don't recall that he ever actually tried to work with the devs to get them fixed before publishing them.  He wasn't interested in improving the game.

And as the Ltm.net/.com thing shows he was just an all around jerk of the first order.

[Merusk]

...and found LTM through an odd cartoon by Evercrest, an old EQ comic that first gave Woody of GU his webspace...

Was that the one with Sock Puppet Abashi?  Fucking classic.

It was, and you can't find the 'toons anymore or else I'd link to the one that first made me search 'Lum the Mad' wondering what the hell was going on the toon.  It was 4 panels some odd-looking guy with a goatee (who I now know to be Scott) in some bizarre fight with a female ranter.  I seem to recall it being about Lum abusing/exploiting cute pre-teen Japanese cosplayers if I remember right.  I never did find out why it was a big enough deal to do a comic about it, though.

[HaemishM]

Merusk and Murgos have it right. Though it predates my time with the community even as a lurker (I really only actively started messing with this stuff before the Slownewsday.net implosion), I do know that Twister was just a rotten fuck. He was an exploiter who loved exploiting just for the sake of it, and if he could have gotten paid to exploit he would. A totally reprehensible human being as MMOG players go.

[Shockeye]

A totally reprehensible human being as MMOG players go.

And yet, people are still talking about him.

[WindupAtheist]

Only Sinij, who still thinks it's 1999.

[Murgos]

Only Sinij, who still thinks it's 1999.

And used "did Dr. Twister did" in an sentence.  Twice.

[schild]

Only Sinij, who still thinks it's 1999.

And used "did Dr. Twister did" in an sentence.  Twice.

in an sentence?

Someone needs to get a mop and clean this up.

[Shockeye]

Only Sinij, who still thinks it's 1999.

And used "did Dr. Twister did" in an sentence.  Twice.

in an sentence?

Someone needs to get a mod and clean this up.

There.

[Kenrick]

I love you this thread.

[Furiously]

From my foggy memory, Dr. Twister's position was that "I give OSI one week warning - then post the exploit for you all to protect yourselves from it! And look at this Lum the Mad's website, he thinks I'm stupid, and gives me a funny Neo picture next to rants about my website."

Needless to say, thousands of Dr. Twister readers (myself included) started reading Lum's very entertaining website. Of course it took me several years to discover there was a message board attached to the front page....

Lum would probably be the best to comment. Or Dr. Twister. I understand he was 5 feet from Lum once, and made some sort of stalker like post.

[Arnold]

...and found LTM through an odd cartoon by Evercrest, an old EQ comic that first gave Woody of GU his webspace...

Was that the one with Sock Puppet Abashi?  Fucking classic.

Dr. Twister was hated because he had a holier than thou attitude about being an exploiter.  Also, even though he published exploits, I don't recall that he ever actually tried to work with the devs to get them fixed before publishing them.  He wasn't interested in improving the game.

And as the Ltm.net/.com thing shows he was just an all around jerk of the first order.

Twister was responsible for a lot of Lum's early traffic.  Twister had a lot of readers.  He didn't just get the multitude of would be exploiters, but he got even more honest players who tried to keep up with the latest sploits, for their own protection.  One day, Twister linked one of (maybe the first?) Lum's rants, and suddenly Lum had a horde of pissed off UO players, who loved to hear what bile he was spitting at OSI, reading his page.

Those early days of LTM, when he was very actively posting were cool.  The Darwin controversy, Siege Perilous development and early times, etc.  Lots of good memories there.

[Jain Zar]

Lum was fun, interesting, and packed full of interesting newsbits. 
Those days are long gone sadly.

[sinij]

Only Sinij, who still thinks it's 1999.

Well at least I'm VERY protected from Y2K bug.

[raydeen]

LtM was the first stop on my long journey that ended here. I'm not even sure how I found LtM (might've been a link in the EQ forums or from the newsgroups), but I only found Lum near the end of his career. Then it became SlowNewsDay. Then that died and had a link to thisisnotacommunity.com. From there I'd hit Arc's site, Broken Toys, The Murlocks, etc. and then Waterthread. Daily. As far as I know, you guys are the true spiritual successors to LtM. The other sites tried, but frankly, could never keep the momentum. This site has never lost the edge. Well, maybe a little since I don't think Boog lives here anymore. That dude used to make me shoot both liquid and solid food through my nose. He is legend. Bastard owes me a new keyboard for the beer he once made me spill into it. ;)

[Hanzii]

Oh no, is it that time of the year again?

[Reg]

How did you manage to miss the Player2Player stage of the community Raydeen? For a year or so after the Slownewsday implosion that was where everyone posted because Angelstorm and GBob put a link to it on the front page of Slownewday.  It was a very active site until it suffered a meltdown that it never recovered from and most people moved over to Waterthread.

If anyone's interested in the early days of Lum he's posted complete archives of the site over at Brokentoys. I've been going through them for the past few days and getting all nostalgic about the old days when I actually gave a crap about UO. :)

[sinij]

I'm very happy that furries and raging feminists are gone. Anyone remembers warner fuzzleeyerapes and boobs rants?

[raydeen]

How did you manage to miss the Player2Player stage of the community Raydeen?

Wasn't missed. It was in the 'etc.' along with Unknown Player and a few of the others. Used to hit them all on a daily basis to see what the fresh poop was on EQ and DAoC.

[WindupAtheist]

Went to the Lum archive at Brokentoys.  So many potentially siggable quotes...

"And I have faith, if anyone could whiz in all 100,000 UO user’s wheaties on a personal basis, it would be Designer Dragon, the man who has made Online Presence a new fighting discipline, sort of like Jeet Kune Do, but on message boards."

"Everquest is like a beautiful, mentally retarded woman. At first you’re entranced, but then it starts to sink in that something is missing…"

[schild]

Well, maybe a little since I don't think Boog lives here anymore.

Boog was love/hate. Most people hated him. Most others loved to hate him. I personally thought he was hilarious. But samples sizes of 5-10 out of thousands, don't work.

Anyway, far as I can tell, he's disappeared from the net. I can only assume his house was raided by the FBI and they found the heads of online gamers on sticks.

[WindupAtheist]

I used to hang at Arcadian's after SND blew up.  Until he started waiting 18 months between updates.

[Triforcer]

I used to hang at Arcadian's after SND blew up.  Until he started waiting 18 months between updates.

Does anyone know exactly where his Chick-Fil-A is located in D.C.?  I'm there now and bored.

[schild]

iirc, it's way down 695. But he didn't leave the address here for a reason. So I'm certainly not going to guess.

[WindupAtheist]

Just start running into random chicken joints and asking for "Arcadian del Sol from teh intarweb."

[Merusk]

Or just look for the guy with the really keen hat.

[sinij]

Just start running into random chicken joints and asking for "Arcadian del Sol from teh intarweb."

Make sure you do control shot to the head or he just might respawn at the hospital.