The Beginning of Something Good (Batman thread)

[Strazos]

Just got back from seeing it.

Totally worth the sleep I am losing/already lost.

BTW, I must have missed the nipple shot Haemish picked up. Are you sure it wasn't another herpe?

[Johny Cee]

Just got back from seeing it.

Totally worth the sleep I am losing/already lost.

BTW, I must have missed the nipple shot Haemish picked up. Are you sure it wasn't another herpe?

A scene near the end,  she's outside talking with Bruce.  And choose to wear no bra that day, i guess.  I'm not sure if she meant to sabotage her lines of dialogue like that, or what....

[Ironwood]

You obviously didn't miss that much sleep if you missed that scene.  You'd have to actually be sleeping to ignore those pointy, pointy, sore looking nips.  It seriously looked like she'd taken a pencil sharpening to them.  NOT sexy.

[Pococurante]

Maybe I am getting old but I found Katie just too young looking to take seriously in the role she was depicted in.  I just kept seeing her as a kid.

Yeah but that's true for all summer blockbuster movies.  But of course the world is run by 22 year olds and anyone over 40 is a stubborn old coot!  ;-)

"Hey, old guys..."

[Shockeye]

You obviously didn't miss that much sleep if you missed that scene.  You'd have to actually be sleeping to ignore those pointy, pointy, sore looking nips.  It seriously looked like she'd taken a pencil sharpening to them.  NOT sexy.

I worried that she would give Bruce Wayne a raging case of mouth herpes.

[jpark]

Maybe I am getting old but I found Katie just too young looking to take seriously in the role she was depicted in.  I just kept seeing her as a kid.

Yeah but that's true for all summer blockbuster movies.  But of course the world is run by 22 year olds and anyone over 40 is a stubborn old coot!  ;-)

"Hey, old guys..."

I quite liked Kim Bassinger in the Burton film.  Older, more believable but quite attractive :)  And less judgemental ! (must avoid derail)

[Strazos]

You obviously didn't miss that much sleep if you missed that scene. You'd have to actually be sleeping to ignore those pointy, pointy, sore looking nips. It seriously looked like she'd taken a pencil sharpening to them. NOT sexy.

Either I was actually paying attention to the dialouge, or ignoring her...she is Katie Holmes, after all.


Was it the scene where she talks to Bruce at his demolished house?

[Shockeye]

Was it the scene where she talks to Bruce at his demolished house?

That's the one.

[Bunk]

Article in my morning paper stating that Holmes will not be invited back to do a sequal. Basically, it suggests that the studio wasn't happy with the Tom shit overshadowing thier movie. Also, it has a comment along the lines of the next love interest will be played by a "stronger actress". I don't have the exact quote (the paper never stays long on my desk in this office), but I thought it was pretty funny. Especially considering that I though her performance was one of the low points.

[HaemishM]

Article in my morning paper stating that Holmes will not be invited back to do a sequal. Basically, it suggests that the studio wasn't happy with the Tom shit overshadowing thier movie. Also, it has a comment along the lines of the next love interest will be played by a "stronger actress". I don't have the exact quote (the paper never stays long on my desk in this office), but I thought it was pretty funny. Especially considering that I though her performance was one of the low points.

Yay for us! I do hope they bring back all the other principles, other than Rutger Hauer and Liam Neeson. And that they put the Joker in it, except not played by someone who is an assclown. Maybe Mark Hammil. No, I'm not kidding.

[jpark]

Other things that struck me:

Wayne's initial conversation with the boss Falcone in the restaraunt.  Falcone offered him advice by way of threats that really set the stage for the rest of Wayne's career.  I thought the script there was exceptional.

The crime fraternity.  Neat idea - I mean most of us wanting to know the criminal world would do some waste of time degree at a University (Criminology or some such) failing to realize that the academic environment is not the best place to learn about all topics.  Wayne's angle in the story line was to pursue experience as a criminal - not a degree - I thought that was cool.

Good to hear they are dumping the slumber party Queen.  I am sure she can find more appropriate roles.

And that they put the Joker in it, except not played by someone who is an assclown. Maybe Mark Hammil. No, I'm not kidding.

That will be a tough role to cast in keeping with the more serious angle of the first film.  Mark Hammil?  You baiting us Haemish or do you believe he can even act?

[Shockeye]

The crime fraternity.  Neat idea - I mean most of us wanting to know the criminal world would do some waste of time degree at a University (Criminology or some such) failing to realize that the academic environment is not the best place to learn about all topics.  Wayne's angle in the story line was to pursue experience as a criminal - not a degree - I thought that was cool.

I like how he never thought of himself a criminal because he was stealing his own stuff, that is, Wayne Enterprises merchandise.

[jpark]

The crime fraternity.  Neat idea - I mean most of us wanting to know the criminal world would do some waste of time degree at a University (Criminology or some such) failing to realize that the academic environment is not the best place to learn about all topics.  Wayne's angle in the story line was to pursue experience as a criminal - not a degree - I thought that was cool.

I like how he never thought of himself a criminal because he was stealing his own stuff, that is, Wayne Enterprises merchandise.

Good point.

But man what risk - being thrown in prison in what appeared to be a 3rd world country.  * shudder *

[Shockeye]

But man what risk - being thrown in prison in what appeared to be a 3rd world country.  * shudder *

I don't think he cared. The worse the better, probably.

[jpark]

http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_1436301.html

Not clear that Gary Oldman has signed on yet for the sequal - but all the other actors - Freeman/Bale/Caine have. 

Say what we will about Katie - bottom line is.... She got to drive the batmobile!

http://actionadventure.about.com/od/news/a/aa091804.htm

[Soln]

damn good flic.  Music was weak.  Didn't get a good feeling it was making tons 'o $ tho, which I hope it does.  Bring on the next 20.

[Soln]

Article in my morning paper stating that Holmes will not be invited back to do a sequal. Basically, it suggests that the studio wasn't happy with the Tom shit overshadowing thier movie. Also, it has a comment along the lines of the next love interest will be played by a "stronger actress". I don't have the exact quote (the paper never stays long on my desk in this office), but I thought it was pretty funny. Especially considering that I though her performance was one of the low points.

Yay for us! I do hope they bring back all the other principles, other than Rutger Hauer and Liam Neeson. And that they put the Joker in it, except not played by someone who is an assclown. Maybe Mark Hammil. No, I'm not kidding.

inspired.  He has been very good in the animation series.

[Mortriden]

Article in my morning paper stating that Holmes will not be invited back to do a sequal. Basically, it suggests that the studio wasn't happy with the Tom shit overshadowing thier movie. Also, it has a comment along the lines of the next love interest will be played by a "stronger actress". I don't have the exact quote (the paper never stays long on my desk in this office), but I thought it was pretty funny. Especially considering that I though her performance was one of the low points.

Yay for us! I do hope they bring back all the other principles, other than Rutger Hauer and Liam Neeson. And that they put the Joker in it, except not played by someone who is an assclown. Maybe Mark Hammil. No, I'm not kidding.

inspired.  He has been very good in the animation series.

He's good as a voice actor, but I think that everyone would be thinking "That's an ugly ass Luke Skywalker playing that part."

[ahoythematey]

I think Ewan McGregor would be good at it.  I also read somewhere, maybe ign(shudder) where the writer was suggesting Paul Bettany, another actor that I think could possibly pull it off and fit Chris Nolan's theme of employing actors from Great Britain.

[HaemishM]

Article in my morning paper stating that Holmes will not be invited back to do a sequal. Basically, it suggests that the studio wasn't happy with the Tom shit overshadowing thier movie. Also, it has a comment along the lines of the next love interest will be played by a "stronger actress". I don't have the exact quote (the paper never stays long on my desk in this office), but I thought it was pretty funny. Especially considering that I though her performance was one of the low points.

Yay for us! I do hope they bring back all the other principles, other than Rutger Hauer and Liam Neeson. And that they put the Joker in it, except not played by someone who is an assclown. Maybe Mark Hammil. No, I'm not kidding.

inspired.  He has been very good in the animation series.

He's good as a voice actor, but I think that everyone would be thinking "That's an ugly ass Luke Skywalker playing that part."

I wasn't baiting, I was VERY serious. Not only does he do the best Joker voice on the old Batman animated series, but he has some experience with a very similar live action role. Way back on the old Flash TV series, with John Wesley Shipp, he played a Flash villain called The Trickster, who had a similar madcap nature to the Joker, and he did remarkably well.

But it'll never happen. Much more in vogue to choose a hot actor at the time, and Mark hasn't been hot since 1980. MacGregor or Bettany could pull it off. But who I'd really want to see? Hugh Laurie.

[WayAbvPar]

Hugh Laurie would rule.

How about Ian McShane? He may be a bit old, but he can play the hell out of a villain. Not sure if he could go quite madcap insane though.

[Shockeye]

I also read somewhere, maybe ign(shudder) where the writer was suggesting Paul Bettany, another actor that I think could possibly pull it off and fit Chris Nolan's theme of employing actors from Great Britain.

I love it. Cast it. Sign it. Film it.

[Llava]

I suggested Hammil on page 1.  But I spoiler-fied it so I guess most people skipped it.

I agree with Haemish.  Why couldn't the Joker be older?  Hell, he'll be covered in makeup anyways.

[Daydreamer]

If I remember my Batman lore correctly, wasn't the Joker a mobster/hitman of some repute before he had his accident?  My conception of him has always been of the mind of a 30-40ish professional crinimal married to the soul of a teenage prankster, in which case Hamil would fit well.  Or maybe I just want another Jack Nicholson.

[HaemishM]

No, in the comics, he was an aspiring stand up comic who was married, somewhat young (probably mid to late 20's). His wife got pregnant, and he couldn't make ends meet with comedy, so he got a job in a chemical factory. Some mob types wanted to rob the jewelry store next to the factory and hired him to provide the inside access through the factory. They made him dress as the Red Hood, which was a mask worn by different people in order to throw suspicion off the real crooks. The robbery was foiled by Batman, and the Joker fell into the chemical goop wearing the red mask. His wife died in childbirth right before the robbery, and when he got a look at his chemically-altered mug, he cracked.

[Llava]

Well, right off we know that the origin isn't going to be the same, unless they're going to say that he foiled this chemical plant robbery off-camera some time during Begins.  And that would feel cheap, at least to me.

[jpark]

I understand Batman sales have been pretty good so far.  Don't have any numbers handy.

[Shockeye]

Domestic Total as of Jun. 21, 2005: $84,928,817

   Domestic:        $84,928,817      67.6%
+ Overseas:       $40,700,000       32.4%
= Worldwide:     $125,628,817    

Production Budget: $150 million

[HaemishM]

Well, right off we know that the origin isn't going to be the same, unless they're going to say that he foiled this chemical plant robbery off-camera some time during Begins.  And that would feel cheap, at least to me.

To my knowledge, Batman doesn't know that he caused the Red Hood to be the Joker in the comics, so it wouldn't break continuity for this to happen, especially not since you can tell the whole story in flashbacks anyway.

[Llava]

It just seems silly to not have foreshadowed it if they were planning to do it, given that almost no one would've made the connection and they reveal that the Joker will be the next villain at the end anyhow.  They could've easily made one of the first crimes he stopped take place at a chemical factory and showed someone get knocked in on the sidelines.

[stray]

Crispin Glover for the Joker (here's hoping)....

Or, for a less weirdo take on it:

Ray Liotta (was originally going to be cast before Nicholson). He may be getting a little old though, but Something Wild-era Liotta would have kicked much ass in that role. Maybe he still has it.

[Johny Cee]

Crispin Glover for the Joker (here's hoping)....

Or, for a less weirdo take on it:

Ray Liotta (was originally going to be cast before Nicholson). He may be getting a little old though, but Something Wild-era Liotta would have kicked much ass in that role. Maybe he still has it.

Nice.  The Liotta from Narc could do it.  Just add some of that Henry Hill laugh.

I'd frankly be surprised if we saw a Joker over the age of 32, though. 

[Abagadro]

I think they should cast Hayden Christensen.



/ducks

[schild]

Shockeye is a dickhead. Johnny Depp is the joker.

[Shockeye]

I may be a dickhead, but at least I don't have a man-crush on Johnny Depp.