Alliance/Horde Imbalances

[Azazel]

And part of my current apathy is due to the large imbalance.  Alterac Valley, during a large portion of the time I want to play, has a dwindling horde population.  Really, once you get less than 30 on a side, it just turns into a bloodbath and it makes it not fun.  This usually occurs during the last hour or so of time I want to play.  I'm not sure it's going to be a sustainable avenue for fun.  I guess I've just hit burnout hard. 

Yah, fuck elves. 

so.. the population imbalance sucks, but the idea of giving the horde elves of their own as a way to get players to redress that balance makes you sad.

Good luck going down that creek, I guess..

[Ironwood]

On a quest last night, I met a couple of Blood Elves.  So, they're in the game already....

[Zetor]

Blood Elves are in the game, yes. But putting them in as a horde race would be silly. The ones I can think of are:
- several neutral questgivers [Blasted Lands, Ratchet, Booty Bay, Gadgetzan]
- several alliance questgivers / run-to people [Theramore, EPL, Nethergarde Keep]
- quite a few hostiles [Blasted Lands, Azshara]
- alliance city guards [Theramore]

I assume the ones in the game are the ones that didn't leave with whatshisface in WC3:TFT and thus are either independent, or still loyal to the alliance.

Murlocs should be the new horde race, imo. :p


-- Z.

[Ironwood]

Yup, that'll zip the horde up in numbers as everyone rushes to play....frogs.

Female Frogs.  With lovely spawn.

You could start up as a tadpole at level 1 and then eventually you'd be able to have your own pad.

As someone already said - identify the problem.  Put Blood Elves in the horde with MAAAAAAAAAAASIVE boobies.  Sorted.

Seriously.

[Merusk]

Blood Elves are in the game, yes. But putting them in as a horde race would be silly. The ones I can think of are:
- several neutral questgivers [Blasted Lands, Ratchet, Booty Bay, Gadgetzan]
- several alliance questgivers / run-to people [Theramore, EPL, Nethergarde Keep]
- quite a few hostiles [Blasted Lands, Azshara]
- alliance city guards [Theramore]

I assume the ones in the game are the ones that didn't leave with whatshisface in WC3:TFT and thus are either independent, or still loyal to the alliance.

Murlocs should be the new horde race, imo. :p

FWIW, The Alliance ones aren't Blood Elves they're the last of the High Elves. I can't recall off the top of my head who mentioned it, but I learned that from one of the Alliance NPCs.  Apparently, BEs are only magic users.  Oh, and they have red eyes instead of blue.

[Reg]

And part of my current apathy is due to the large imbalance.  Alterac Valley, during a large portion of the time I want to play, has a dwindling horde population.  Really, once you get less than 30 on a side, it just turns into a bloodbath and it makes it not fun.  This usually occurs during the last hour or so of time I want to play.  I'm not sure it's going to be a sustainable avenue for fun.  I guess I've just hit burnout hard. 

Yah, fuck elves. 

so.. the population imbalance sucks, but the idea of giving the horde elves of their own as a way to get players to redress that balance makes you sad.

Good luck going down that creek, I guess..

IMO, there's not much point to worrying about the opinion of a self-admittedly burnt out player. By definition, he's not going to be able to work up any enthusiasm for anything in the game. He's burnt out.  If I were a Blizzard rep I'd concern myself more with finding out what caused the burnout than worrying about their opinion of a new addition to the game. I mean it wasn't the existence of blood elves as a horde race that caused the problem right?

Bring on the hot, sexy elves. It's the obvious solution to the problem. For that matter they could add in a couple of non-repulsive undead models while they're at it.

[Amp]

Apparently, BEs are only magic users.  Oh, and they have red eyes instead of blue.

Yes just what we need.  Another unbalanced Horde magic user.

NERF SHAMANS!!1!

[sidereal]

Adding new races takes 6 months of balancing with a company that actually works quickly.  With Blizzard, at least a year.

Giving an xp bonus, a gold bonus, an armor bonus, or a damage bonus to the under-represented side would take like a week.

[Typhon]

playable satyrs and succubi... course, they'd have to fix the succubi ass.

yes, i know, they are burning legion material. as someone else pointed out, write up some nonsense about the undead queen extorting demons for support, or the legion lending support to horde to counter act the real undead, and there you have it - teh hawt in a leather corset with a whip. have her dance on a poll and make moaning/whining sounds.  a large part of the player base would simply be unable to unsub.

hmph. i'm more evil then i thought. sorry for the no capitals, pretty damn tired tonight, editing punctuation is proving beyond me.

[Azazel]

Adding new races takes 6 months of balancing with a company that actually works quickly.  With Blizzard, at least a year.

Giving an xp bonus, a gold bonus, an armor bonus, or a damage bonus to the under-represented side would take like a week.

What's to balance about ebil elves? Just photocopy the Night elves across to the horde with slightly different models featuring biger titties and you're done. Adding a new class I can see taking a bit more time.

[HaemishM]

A large part of the player base would simply be unable to unsub.

Cancelling your subscription takes two hands?

[Sogrinaugh]

playable satyrs and succubi... course, they'd have to fix the succubi ass.

yes, i know, they are burning legion material. as someone else pointed out, write up some nonsense about the undead queen extorting demons for support, or the legion lending support to horde to counter act the real undead, and there you have it - teh hawt in a leather corset with a whip. have her dance on a poll and make moaning/whining sounds.  a large part of the player base would simply be unable to unsub.

hmph. i'm more evil then i thought. sorry for the no capitals, pretty damn tired tonight, editing punctuation is proving beyond me.

Ok at this point why not just put in Drow Lesbian Sex?

PS:  do DLS references auto-move a thread to the den?

[Samprimary]

Horde salvation through mangina.

It was in the boobies all along.

What have we come to, humanity?

[schild]

I'm sorry Sam, but your post wasn't in proper 5-7-5 form.

You get one demerit for improper use of the Haiku.

[Dren]

I know this is on topic and all, but damn that is the geekiest post I've seen in a long while.  Congrats.

Before you argue with me, just read it as if you were somebody "not in the know."  Hell I'm in the know and I'm thinking that.

I speak geek too, but this just struck me as funny.

Geekiest?  So where on your ruler does measuring degrees of geek on a messageboard devoted not just to games, but MMOG's, fall?

Thx for putting yourself there.

It was a joke dude.  Chill.  And yes, I already admitted to being a geek.  I was laughing at myself. 

[Rodent]

I for one don't want the "problem" fixed. If Ogrimmar saw half the stupidity that goes around Ironforge I'd have to cancel.

[pants]

I for one don't want the "problem" fixed. If Ogrimmar saw half the stupidity that goes around Ironforge I'd have to cancel.

I'm in a conundrum.  I completely understand your concerns - I dont want the night elf manigna crowd in the Horde either.  But I've been waiting 3 days to get an Alterac Valley instance going (ctf is all very quick and boring and 'pointless' (as much as playing any computer game can be called pintless) whereas to me Alterac is more a serious, involved, and ultimately fun battle), and there arent enough Horde on our server (Proudmoore, which is pretty busy) to get one instance going.  And when it does get going in the past - we tend to be outnumbered 40:30 or 40:20 - so Hordies get demoralised coz its TM all over again, and they quit.  So I want to stop the imbalance, so everyone can have more fun.

Getting more manginas seems a dirty, dirty way to do it.  But I dont know of any other way to do so.  Its a conundrum.

[Samprimary]

I'm sorry Sam, but your post wasn't in proper 5-7-5 form.

You get one demerit for improper use of the Haiku.

I wank off to elves
Horde has no hot fem for me
Too bad I'm not furre

[chinslim]

Or you can improve your current character models. 

Every Horde male has bad posture.  For those not interested in the mangina, playing a "weak" toon doesn't fly either.

[jpark]

Or you can improve your current character models. 

Every Horde male has bad posture.  For those not interested in the mangina, playing a "weak" toon doesn't fly either.

Good point - that does bug me.

Then again, I am Horde.

[Reg]

I couldn't even get a decent CTF battle last night during primetime. Every one that started the horde side was outnumbers 6 or 7 to 10 and people just hearthed out rather than be an honor point farm for the alliance side.