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Topic: Kelsey Grammer is Dr. Hank McCoy. (Read 42868 times)
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Azaroth
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I don't think any casting of well known actors is good casting. While, if I had no idea who Kelsey Grammer was, I'd probably think he made a great Hank McCoy after I watched the movie, as it is, I know him from Cheers, Frasier, Simpsons, etc.
It just reminds me of men playing women in ye olde england. I mean in that we have a group of people who make it their job and constantly reappear as different characters, making it all the more evident that what you're watching is a farce for entertainment. Frankly, I like not knowing any of the actors going into a really good movie - not relating them to another character or movie, and being able to believe that they ARE that character, without being distracted by the movie industry - or men in drag.
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When the fuck did Rockwell, Norton and Buscemi become leading men? Rockwell - Matchstick Men, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind Norton - American History X, Fight Club, Red Dragon Buscemi - Fargo was made like what, 9 years ago? I'd say he's been leading for quite a while. I think he was in a lesser known movie called the big Lebowski too. Asshat. |
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I don't think any casting of well known actors is good casting. While, if I had no idea who Kelsey Grammer was, I'd probably think he made a great Hank McCoy after I watched the movie, as it is, I know him from Cheers, Frasier, Simpsons, etc.
It just reminds me of men playing women in ye olde england. I mean in that we have a group of people who make it their job and constantly reappear as different characters, making it all the more evident that what you're watching is a farce for entertainment. Frankly, I like not knowing any of the actors going into a really good movie - not relating them to another character or movie, and being able to believe that they ARE that character, without being distracted by the movie industry - or men in drag.
In other words, you have a problem with the idea of acting. |
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I don't think any casting of well known actors is good casting. While, if I had no idea who Kelsey Grammer was, I'd probably think he made a great Hank McCoy after I watched the movie, as it is, I know him from Cheers, Frasier, Simpsons, etc.
It just reminds me of men playing women in ye olde england. I mean in that we have a group of people who make it their job and constantly reappear as different characters, making it all the more evident that what you're watching is a farce for entertainment. Frankly, I like not knowing any of the actors going into a really good movie - not relating them to another character or movie, and being able to believe that they ARE that character, without being distracted by the movie industry - or men in drag.
In other words, you have a problem with the idea of acting. Hammer and nails, and stuff. |
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Fight Club
American History X
To name two major ones... though maybe he meant someone else I'm not thinking of.
Keeping the Faith! I agree that leading women roles are basically T&A based, and the Oscars show it. When I think of good actresses, I think Paquin, Ricci, Blanchett, Knightley, and Parker Posey. Hawt. |
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Buscemi - Fargo was made like what, 9 years ago? I'd say he's been leading for quite a while. I think he was in a lesser known movie called the big Lebowski too.
He wasn't exactly a lead character in Lebowski. Hell, he wasn't even the main supporting character. That's what Buscemi is famous for- supporting roles. Even Ghost World, which was a really large role, you could consider supporting to the lead character played by Thora Birch. |
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Hammer and nails, and stuff.
To be fair though, he does bring up an interesting point. One of things actors are taught is that, in the end, it just comes down to saying your lines --- You're only as good as your audience is willing to be duped. Acting is 90% suspension of belief on their part. For example, there is no difference between, say, if you went to a party, lied to everybody, told them that you were a millionaire, and behaved as "a rich person" would ---- Or if you're at a party with a bunch of people who were (for whatever reason) under the impression that you were a millionaire -- with no effort on your part. You could just behave like yourself, completely oblivious, and they would go, "Hmmm...Oh, so that's what rich people behave like". |
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Is it because it's the weekend or did I just kill a thread?  |
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Is it because it's the weekend or did I just kill a thread? Weekend. |
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Azaroth
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In other words, you have a problem with the idea of acting. Nah, I just have a problem with the idea of actors being regurgitated constantly and reminding me forcefully what a farce the entire deal is. Do I honestly want to watch Kelsey Grammer as Hank Mccoy? Nah, fuck, not really. If someone else could do an equal job, I'd prefer that person. And that's no disrespect to Kelsey Grammer, because he's great. But even though I'm sure he'll do a fine job in X-Men, I'll still be thinking "There's Kelsey Grammer" the whole time. That's sort of my point, I suppose. Even though I'm REALLY drunk right now (this post started out as a death threat). |
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When the fuck did Rockwell, Norton and Buscemi become leading men? I'm assuming he meant Edward Norton... in which case: Fight Club American History X To name two major ones... though maybe he meant someone else I'm not thinking of. Regarding the initial subject: Cautious optimism tempered by hesitant, guarded hope. Don't forget Smoochy |
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When the fuck did Rockwell, Norton and Buscemi become leading men? Buscemi - Fargo was made like what, 9 years ago? I'd say he's been leading for quite a while. I think he was in a lesser known movie called the big Lebowski too. Asshat. Excuse me, but Buscemi has only been a "leading man" in one movie, "Trees Lounge", which he happened to write and direct. "Leading Man" means, take the LEAD. Not a secondary character. Oops, my bad. He was also "lead" in "Ed and His Dead Mother". |
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He wasn't a lead in Ghost World. Oh man, I must've been watching something else. MY BAD.
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He wasn't a lead in Ghost World. Oh man, I must've been watching something else. MY BAD.
Another small independent release? Ok then. That's bankable. |
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But even though I'm sure he'll do a fine job in X-Men, I'll still be thinking "There's Kelsey Grammer" the whole time.
You do realize he'll be covered in more makeup than most other actors there, yes? (Except Mystique. Rrrwr.) That tends to make the suspension of "that's Frasier Crane" work. However, there are advantages to casting relative unknowns, e.g. Hugh Jackman since they won't have a typecast like Frasier. So who do you suggest in his stead? I'd perhaps pick a wrestler like The Game, but wrestlers only get reasonable at acting when they quit active wrestling (like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson) so it's not very likely. |
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Kelsey Grammer was good in "Periscope Down". Heck, I think ABC Family is showing it again right now!
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Rockwell - Matchstick Men, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
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You do realize he'll be covered in more makeup than most other actors there, yes? (Except Mystique. Rrrwr.) That tends to make the suspension of "that's Frasier Crane" work.
Obviously he'll be in a big blue suit, but it'll still be his face and his voice. To me, and I'm not here trying to change the world of movies and acting, it's just too obvious. But I'm just complaining about something that I personally find detracts from my movie experience on a regular basis. That's all. |
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But even though I'm sure he'll do a fine job in X-Men, I'll still be thinking "There's Kelsey Grammer" the whole time.
You do realize he'll be covered in more makeup than most other actors there, yes? (Except Mystique. Rrrwr.) That tends to make the suspension of "that's Frasier Crane" work. That depends if he's playing the blue fur ball version or his original pre-genetic experimentation version. Or maybe they'll show him transforming into the blue Beast as part of the story. Even though I think he has a good voice for that character I have trouble visualizing him "bounding" around like the Beast in the comic books -- he seems too old and non-athletic for that kind of role -- though of course with today's special effects anything is possible. |
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On the other hand Johnny Depp got a Best Actor Academy Awards nomination for that role. |
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Llava
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On the other hand Johnny Depp got a Best Actor Academy Awards nomination for that role. My brain is firmly in off mode today. I thought it was a nomination for supporting actor. So since I'm so violently stupid today, I'm going to go ahead and conceed this argument and say that Buscemi was the lead in Ghost World. |
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By default, Buscemi got the lead male title for Ghost World. He simply had more lines than any other male in the movie.
Also, in Pirates, Depp had much more screentime than anyone else. You may be confusing him with Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lector. Probably not though. :-D
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Llava
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By default, Buscemi got the lead male title for Ghost World. He simply had more lines than any other male in the movie.
Also, in Pirates, Depp had much more screentime than anyone else. You may be confusing him with Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lector. Probably not though. :-D
I know he had more screentime, and basically it was a good movie BECAUSE of his character, but his plot wasn't the main one. As such, I considered Bloom the lead actor- even though he was outdone on many levels by Depp's performance. But let's be honest- most actors would find that performance hard to top. Jack Sparrow is just a fantastic character, and Depp made him a classic. |
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I know he had more screentime, and basically it was a good movie BECAUSE of his character, but his plot wasn't the main one. As such, I considered Bloom the lead actor- even though he was outdone on many levels by Depp's performance. But let's be honest- most actors would find that performance hard to top. Jack Sparrow is just a fantastic character, and Depp made him a classic.
Maybe you're confusing "lead" with the "leading man" type of role? There's a difference. Lead is just a matter of screentime (and if it's a buddy movie and whatnot, two actors get that title, regardless of who the "plot" is focused on). |
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I guess the difference was never explained to me. I just always assumed they were the same.
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This just in from my Hollywood source: David Hyde Pierce is cast as Galactus.
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Odd I heard that This Actor was cast as the Silver Surfer which I thought was odd. |
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Good one. What I find odd is that no one responds to my trolling.
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Most of us don't think enough of Hollywood to be surprised by the casting of David Hyde Pierce as Galactus, no matter how insane that would be.
But I hear Nic Cage wants to play him.
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Galactus as a Beatles Fan.
Hmm, I smell Money.
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Galactus as a Beatles Fan.
Hmm, I smell Money.
With the way his helmit is shaped I would have thought he was more an Elvis guy myself. |
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With the way his helmit is shaped I would have thought he was more an Elvis guy myself.  You'd be wrong. |
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Galactus is Elenor Rigby?
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