If at first you don't succeed...

[Shockeye]

Man shoots himself, then jumps off bridge

Godfrey, IL, May. 3 (UPI) -- A man shot himself five times before driving from his Godfrey, Ill., home to a bridge -- a distance that took 10 minutes -- and jumped from a bridge.

Sixty-seven-year-old Franklin Carver shot himself three times in his head and twice in his chest, but none of the shots was immediately fatal, police said.

A motorist witnessed the jump and called 911 from a cell phone, but Carver drowned before emergency workers could reach him, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Tuesday.

"This is probably the most unusual suicide case I've ever seen in my career," said Lt. David Hayes of the Alton Police Department. "It's a bizarre case; it really is."

At the autopsy, doctors recovered five .22-caliber bullets -- three shots in Carver's head that did not penetrate his skull, one shot to his chest missed vital organs and the other bullet struck his liver.

A coroner's jury will make a final determination on the cause and manner of Carver's death.

[Mesozoic]

Man shoots himself, then jumps off bridge
A coroner's jury will make a final determination on the cause and manner of Carver's death.

Hmm.  Stroke? 

[WayAbvPar]

Natural causes.

[Furiously]

Now I kinda wonder. Was it drowning, was it the impact, was it the massive hemoraging from the bullets.... Or was it the testicular cancer?

[HaemishM]

Holy fuck, what kind of moron uses a .22 pistol to off themselves? Those things have trouble penetrating silk, much less skull.

[kaid]

Oh yes if you are going to try to shoot yourself get a bigger gun. My god I have seen 22 rounds bounce off glass if it dosn't hit dead straight on.

kaid

[Pococurante]

Perhaps but Brady might disagree.

[voodoolily]

I say kudos for his stick-to-itiveness.

[schild]

That's the most manly death I've ever heard of and I thank you for sharing it with us.

[SurfD]

That's the most manly death I've ever heard of and I thank you for sharing it with us.

Look up Rasputin sometime, that guy was a fucking tank.

[Nazrat]

I have a couple of BB guns in the garage just in case I want to commit suicide the slow way.

[Mortriden]

Holy fuck, what kind of moron uses a .22 pistol to off themselves? Those things have trouble penetrating silk, much less skull.

The Mob used to use .22's to make their hits with because a clean shot to the head will penetrate into the brain, but not have enough force to exit.  Therefore it will ricochet around inside your skull turning your brain into grey custard.

[Paelos]

Holy fuck, what kind of moron uses a .22 pistol to off themselves? Those things have trouble penetrating silk, much less skull.

The Mob used to use .22's to make their hits with because a clean shot to the head will penetrate into the brain, but not have enough force to exit.  Therefore it will ricochet around inside your skull turning your brain into grey custard.

You get that from Casino?

[Murgos]

The Mob used to use .22's to make their hits with because a clean shot to the head will penetrate into the brain, but not have enough force to exit.  Therefore it will ricochet around inside your skull turning your brain into grey custard.

You get that from Casino?

It's gotta be hollywood induced - it just doesn't make sense.  A .45 ACP round to the head will turn your brain into grey custard too, and it's easier to tell because the top half of your head would have come off.

[HaemishM]

Well, the .22 to the back of the head is feasible, because you can get it up under the bottom of the skull and not have to worry about penetrating it. So I could see that. Not that I know anything about it but it's certainly more feasible than trying to pop one directly through the front part of your noggin.

[Sky]

Boris the bullet dodger?

[HaemishM]

Why they call him Bullet Dodger?

Because he dodges bullets, Avy.

[Furiously]

For another great read of someone who took way too many bullets and general damage I suggest reading about Blackbeard's DEATH!!!

[Mortriden]

The Mob used to use .22's to make their hits with because a clean shot to the head will penetrate into the brain, but not have enough force to exit. Therefore it will ricochet around inside your skull turning your brain into grey custard.

You get that from Casino?

It's gotta be hollywood induced - it just doesn't make sense. A .45 ACP round to the head will turn your brain into grey custard too, and it's easier to tell because the top half of your head would have come off.

I actually got it from the History Channel.  The .22 wouldn't make the same amount of noise as a .45 (I agree btw that the .45 gets the job done better), and was easier to conceal as a small caliber revolver was used most of the time.  Not suprisingly they would often times use more than one shot.

[voodoolily]

I always find it kind of funny when someone thinks their life is so pathetic that they should just end it, and then they can't even do THAT right. I mean, how do you fuck up blowing your brains out?

[Pococurante]

Tsk - none of you read that link I posted.  Gist is that the .22 is the preferred caliber for assassins and snipers.  Particularly by Chechens.

[HaemishM]

I read it, I just don't understand WHY. I've heard way too many stories of .22 bullets NOT penetrating bone, especially skull. But perhaps if you hit the right spot, it's better?

[Murgos]

Tsk - none of you read that link I posted.  Gist is that the .22 is the preferred caliber for assassins and snipers.  Particularly by Chechens.

I read it.  It's just talking about a very specific circumstance.

Using a cheap scope, Chechen snipers were very deadly at ranges of less than a hundred meters.

Namely, sniping in heavily built-up areas where you aren't going to be able to be far enough away under for a silencer to be very effective.

The quote about what hit-men use is probably made up on the spot though, because I seriously doubt if the guy who wrote the article has long technical conversations with a number of professional hitmen.  I would imagine why a lot of 'thugs' use .22's is is that they are dirt common and the ammo is cheap as hell.

[Pococurante]

No clue though most kids in the US use shorties or cheap longs.  Long Rifle HV though is definitely sufficient and still has the benefit of low noise.  And the odds are pretty good these types of killers pack their own cartridge.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/22_rimfire_cartridges.htm

[Mortriden]

I read it, I just don't understand WHY. I've heard way too many stories of .22 bullets NOT penetrating bone, especially skull. But perhaps if you hit the right spot, it's better?

I've never noticed much of a problem on a consistent basis.  Every now and then you get a shitty load, but even then it would probably do the job.  Just target shooting you can tear up even a resistant backstop in no time.  If you have a .22 at home take a few shots at a watermelon or some other similar fruit.  Most of the stories you hear are the exceptions.  Probably 98% of the time the first shot is going to be fatal, the second is insurance.

[Nazrat]

Um, you people are talking about 2 different animals.  The 22 rifle round is sufficient to cause a lot of damage.  However, the .22 pistol round is my memory of the "hitman" weapon with a silencer.  That is a weak round and is generally not aimed at the head but, instead, at either center mass of the body or to knee cap. 

Two completely different animals.  If you remember the M16 actually shoots a .223 which is a souped up .22 rifle round.  Rifle caliber does not equal pistol caliber in muzzle velocity or penetration.

[Paelos]

See, we need more threads about manly stuff like guns. It helps balance out the Japanese hentai crap and mangina talk.

[Pococurante]

Rifle caliber does not equal pistol caliber in muzzle velocity or penetration.

I'm not sure what you mean by a pistol round - that's not standard terminology.  Quite a few handguns shoot all varieties (SV/HV/HV CB) of Long Rifle rounds.  Do you mean shorties?

I still marvel someone could punch four rounds of anything measured in grains into their head and drive a car...

[Murgos]

Um, you people are talking about 2 different animals.  The 22 rifle round is sufficient to cause a lot of damage.  However, the .22 pistol round is my memory of the "hitman" weapon with a silencer.  That is a weak round and is generally not aimed at the head but, instead, at either center mass of the body or to knee cap. 

Two completely different animals.  If you remember the M16 actually shoots a .223 which is a souped up .22 rifle round.  Rifle caliber does not equal pistol caliber in muzzle velocity or penetration.

Actually the article was talking about .22 long rifle rounds.  The kind you get for your little .22 plinking rifle.  It most certainly wasn't talking about using high velocity 5.56mm NATO Ball rounds like the M-16 uses.

5.56 Nato : http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m855.htm

22 Long Rifle: http://www.chuckhawks.com/22_rimfire_cartridges.htm

C'mon Jarhead your forgetting the basics, rifle in this case does not refer to the length of the barrel.

[Nazrat]

The office internet filter is wrecking havoc on my Googlefu.

Pistol round is standard terminology for most professional agencies that shoot weapons, ie, the Marine Corps.  No, you and your buddy with the rack and his truck may not use the term.  A round is a single unit of ammunition.  Pistols shoot rounds.  Rifles shoot rounds.  Howitzers shoot rounds.  Pistol round does not equal rifle round does not equal howitzer round.  You know what I meant and are just being difficult.

Yes, there generally is a significant difference in size between a pistol round and a rifle round.  However, in the .22 field there are "pistols" that can fire the longer rounds.  Most of the assassinations with .22 by the American criminals are with .22 automatic pistols and not with Billy Bob's lever action .22 that he carries around as his varmit rifle.  I don't see any information on this attempted suicide that states whether the weapon was a rifle or a pistol. 

Further, the article about Chechan snipers is definitely not talking about shoot a .22 automatic in the back of someone's head but, instead, is referring to using higher velocity rifle rounds.  The article distinguishes between the .22 pistol round and the .22 long rifle round.  Each round will have completely different performance based upon the variance in size and construction of the round.

No, I'm not Murgos.  I am talking about the difference in performance of the rounds.  .22 rounds are not created equal.  In general, the pistol rounds are lower velocity and are short range with minimal penetration.  The rifle rounds can be made to have excellent muzzle velocity and, due in part to the revolutions from the length of the barrel, have much higher accuracy.   

[Murgos]

Look.  Just do a search on google for .22 LR Pistol.  The first 50,000 links should convince you that you are being a dumbshit.  Then do a search for .22 LR Rifle, the next 50,000 links should get me an apology.

Apparently everyone but you knows that .22 LR round is used in both pistols and rifles all the world over.  Get over it.

[Nazrat]

Murgos, I just explained that the internet filter at work is blocking those sites.  I know that the .22 long rifle round is used in pistols.  I just admitted as much in the previous post. 

However, the dickhead wanted to challenge the use of the term "round." 

FOAD.  K THANX.

[voodoolily]

This is a "make fun of suicide" thread, not a gun-discussion thread. WHy is nobody cracking down on chronic derails today?

[Murgos]

Murgos, I just explained that the internet filter at work is blocking those sites.  I know that the .22 long rifle round is used in pistols.  I just admitted as much in the previous post. 

However, the dickhead wanted to challenge the use of the term "round." 

FOAD.  K THANX.

My bad, I misread.  On a second read through I see that you did clear that up and yes you are correct on the use of the word round in referring to pistol ammunition.

[Pococurante]

However, the dickhead wanted to challenge the use of the term "round." 

FOAD.  K THANX.

Dickhead?

Right back at you punk.  And get back on your meds.