He's lucky a suspension is all he got wearing that shit.

[HaemishM]

Pictures of the kid, along with his insistence that wearing makeup is synonymous with Wicca, and the final nail, his failing 10th grade, leads me to belief he's got more Slomo Marley in him than Bob.

If you're going to buck the system, at least be talented or smart. Nothing in any of the literature on this kid suggests he is either.

[Paelos]

I only want him wearing the wool if he wants an education provided by the society. If he wants to shirk the system then don't expect it to do you any favors either.

[Fargull]

Pictures of the kid, along with his insistence that wearing makeup is synonymous with Wicca, and the final nail, his failing 10th grade, leads me to belief he's got more Slomo Marley in him than Bob.

If you're going to buck the system, at least be talented or smart. Nothing in any of the literature on this kid suggests he is either.

The sad thing is that this view is probably in the majority, even though quite a few people who did not finish high school have left a larger foot print on mankind than the vast majority that have finished.  The fact a kid who is what, fifteen or sixteen is being thrown to the dogs and being written off is the worst crime.  If the world is growing more to a judgement of the individual by the age of high school then fear for our small world is not just for idle speculation.

[Sky]

The only problem I have with it is him trying to tie it to wicca, that's stupid. I'd say (having just spent the afternoon in the public area of the library) that more kids who come here (the library!) are 'freaks' than not. Sure, it's a self-selecting audience, but these kids are at least hanging out at the library. Red hair, leopard spotty hair, black nailpolish, ripped fishnets, the gamut pretty much. Most of them are good kids, and not disruptive, the only disruption would be if some 'normal' kid started poking at them (I've had to call the cops on a kid (teen) a total of two or three times in 5 years...and it was the same 'clean cut' kid, trying to show off for some girls by picking on other kids).

[Fargull]

I only want him wearing the wool if he wants an education provided by the society. If he wants to shirk the system then don't expect it to do you any favors either.

Ahh Paelos, you make me think of Pink Floyd.

[Paelos]

I only want him wearing the wool if he wants an education provided by the society. If he wants to shirk the system then don't expect it to do you any favors either.

Ahh Paelos, you make me think of Pink Floyd.

I am another brick in The Wall. Then again, I'm educated. I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over the kids who fail social adaptation 101.

[Rasix]

Hey, perhaps Pink Floyd was full of shit? 

I hate to agree with Paelos, but yes, this kid is getting a public education so he has to abide by their rules in order to receive this education.   Don't like it?  Gee, too bad.  There's always the GED.  You could always get homeschooled.  Or hey, there's private school, but they don't want you looking like an idiot either.   Unless you've got other mitigating circumstances like poverty, religion (it really doesn't apply here, if this kid's a wicca, I'm Pope Urban the X), there's just no real reason you can't follow simple rules like this in high school.   

Disobedience over trivial fucking crap doesn't make you Che or the next incarnation of the Sex Pistols.  It makes you a self centered, selfish shithead.  You're not sticking it to the man, you're just being a stupid dick.   I died my hair orange at one point, but hell, if the school said I couldn't attend with my hair that way, I sure as hell would have cut it off. It's just fucking hair, it's not like they asked me to pray to Allah 5 times a day or get expelled.

I didn't get old, I've just always been this way.  There are fights worth fighting and there are fights that will do nothing but make you look bad and ruin your life in the process.  You have to learn when to make your stand and when it's not worth the hassle.  Some people get this and do fairly well, and some people struggle through life getting fired from job after job over stupid crap.   

[Prospero]

The kid obviously needs therapy. He's had a pretty rough childhood and he doesn't seem to be coping with it terribly well. Whether or not his suspension was fair though is a completely different matter. To me the question is: would a girl be suspended for wearing the same type of makeup? If so, then awesome, he broke the rules, he should be punished. However, if a chick can wear Syndrome style makeup to school then goth boy should be able to as well. Our public schools shouldn't be in the business of enforcing gender roles.

There is also the question of if they warned him that he shouldn't be dressing up life a WWE star at school. If they just jumped straight to a suspension I call foul. He didn't shoot anyone, he poorly applied eye makeup. Unless he is going to a fashion magnate school, he deserves a couple warnings.

[Shockeye]

To me the question is: would a girl be suspended for wearing the same type of makeup? If so, then awesome, he broke the rules, he should be punished. However, if a chick can wear Syndrome style makeup to school then goth boy should be able to as well. Our public schools shouldn't be in the business of enforcing gender roles.

Good point.

When the article was written, it seems there was nothing outlawing what he was wearing per se, but that he was creating a disturbance.

[Margalis]

When the article was written, it seems there was nothing outlawing what he was wearing per se, but that he was creating a disturbance.

I went to one of the best public schools in the state of New York and in my school that would not have "caused a disturbance." Then again, maybe that's WHY it was on of the best public schools. It says as much about the other people in the school as that guy that what he was wearing would cause a disturbance.

[Murgos]

I appreciate the point Murgos is trying to make (if perhaps for the sake of making one)but I am appalled that he thinks there is no difference between violent crime and use of a controlled substance. Seriously, dude.

Did you get my point?  Lets check.
First Post:
Initially I mocked hate crime penalties by comparing them in absurdity to a penalty for a victimless trivial crime (shoplifitng a pen for those keeping track).  For which Sky called me a moron and then proceeded to make the same exact argument except this time using a truck full of marijuana.

Aside:  Which is a piss-poor example to make that kind of analogy with because it is VASTLY damaging to society due to it penalties.  This comes in later.

Next post:
I point out exactly that I'm riffing on the whole idea of extra severe hate crime penalties and that Sky made the exact same case in his point but I'm a moron and he's a genius?

Third post:
I tell all of you explicitly that I have no problem with MJ except for the fact of the damage it does to society due to the very fact that it is illegal (see above).  I say nothing on any other point in there.  THIS AGAIN IS THE SAME FUCKING POINT.  Victimless crime, shouldn't be illegal, damage done is because it's illegal, we live in a representative democracy so what you gonna do its the will of the people?

Fourth post:
Sky tells me thanks for making his point?  What the fuck?  Four fucking posts into MY POINT and he's being condecending?  Fuck him.  Maybe dope smoking should be legal but you do have to live here and by not following Ghandi and MLK and acting from within the system all that the fucktards are doing that are transporting the shit around and distributing it is damaging society.  That I have a problem with, that wasn't his point and that wasn't in any part of his posts until he went back and EDITED IT IN  AFTER I MADE THAT POINT IN MY THIRD POST.

The only crime in the prohibition of marijuana is the prohibition of marijuana.
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I'm not even going to go into the Conspiracy by rich white men absurdity.

Fith post:
This one.  I say again, fuck you sky, quite smoking dope and learn to fucking read.  And to you Voodoo I give the same damn advice, I no where at no time said there was no difference in the severity of the crimes.  I'm done.

[Prospero]

Good point.

When the article was written, it seems there was nothing outlawing what he was wearing per se, but that he was creating a disturbance.

Which makes me think that if his dress that was causing the disturbance, they need to update their policy to disallow dressing like Ronald McDonald, and warn him that he is in violation of school rules and should dress accordingly or be punished. I just can't see how a 5 day suspension was warranted unless they warned him multiple times and he was being a defiant asshat. Based on the brief interview it is definitely a possibility(he's obviously two strippers shy of a menage trois), but it sounds like the school wasn't acting in good faith. I understand school administrators need to have some flexibility in interpreting rules in order to prevent with rules lawyers who change their clothing to exploit every loop hole in the clothing policy, but they need to be fair in applying those rules.

As an aside I also think goth boy should be beaten severly for trying to use his religon to validate his wearing of eye makeup. I'd love for him to show some documentation that shows dressing like a two dollar goth whore is an important part of the wiccan faith.

[stray]

Fith post:
This one.  I say again, fuck you sky, quite smoking dope and learn to fucking read.

IMO, Sky is a very, very hard person to get pissed at. So, umm, grats to you. You've accomplished something special today.

[schild]

Hmmm.

Chris Tucker seems to be going to the Carlton school of fashion these days.

[Daeven]

The sad thing is that this view is probably in the majority, even though quite a few people who did not finish high school have left a larger foot print on mankind than the vast majority that have finished.  The fact a kid who is what, fifteen or sixteen is being thrown to the dogs and being written off is the worst crime.  If the world is growing more to a judgement of the individual by the age of high school then fear for our small world is not just for idle speculation.

You can't help those who won't help themselves. Ever. If High school is crushing his will to live and whatnot, he shoudl drop out, get his GED, and go learn something someplace that teaches what he is interested in. In other words, he needs to grow some balls and fix his life, or Shut the hell up. Either one really.

[Miasma]

Hmmm.

Chris Tucker seems to be going to the Carlton school of fashion these days.

That orange shirt has to be the standard prison issue uniform which he was forced to wear over his clothes.  At least I hope so.

[Paelos]

Those uniforms are going to be fashion forward someday, like surgical scrubs.

[Sky]

Maybe you should lay off the ganja for a while hippy.

I say again, fuck you sky, quite smoking dope and learn to fucking read.

Note I do not smoke marijuana, but nice try.

Fucking douchebag.

[voodoolily]

I appreciate the point Murgos is trying to make (if perhaps for the sake of making one)but I am appalled that he thinks there is no difference between violent crime and use of a controlled substance. Seriously, dude.

Did you get my point?  Lets check.
First Post:
Initially I mocked hate crime penalties by comparing them in absurdity to a penalty for a victimless trivial crime (shoplifitng a pen for those keeping track).  For which Sky called me a moron and then proceeded to make the same exact argument except this time using a truck full of marijuana.

Aside:  Which is a piss-poor example to make that kind of analogy with because it is VASTLY damaging to society due to it penalties.  This comes in later.

Next post:
I point out exactly that I'm riffing on the whole idea of extra severe hate crime penalties and that Sky made the exact same case in his point but I'm a moron and he's a genius?

Third post:
I tell all of you explicitly that I have no problem with MJ except for the fact of the damage it does to society due to the very fact that it is illegal (see above).  I say nothing on any other point in there.  THIS AGAIN IS THE SAME FUCKING POINT.  Victimless crime, shouldn't be illegal, damage done is because it's illegal, we live in a representative democracy so what you gonna do its the will of the people?

Fourth post:
Sky tells me thanks for making his point?  What the fuck?  Four fucking posts into MY POINT and he's being condecending?  Fuck him.  Maybe dope smoking should be legal but you do have to live here and by not following Ghandi and MLK and acting from within the system all that the fucktards are doing that are transporting the shit around and distributing it is damaging society.  That I have a problem with, that wasn't his point and that wasn't in any part of his posts until he went back and EDITED IT IN  AFTER I MADE THAT POINT IN MY THIRD POST.

The only crime in the prohibition of marijuana is the prohibition of marijuana.
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« Last Edit: Today at 09:49:40 AM by Sky »

Reply #190 on: Today at 09:46:59 AM

I'm not even going to go into the Conspiracy by rich white men absurdity.

Fith post:
This one.  I say again, fuck you sky, quite smoking dope and learn to fucking read.  And to you Voodoo I give the same damn advice, I no where at no time said there was no difference in the severity of the crimes.  I'm done.

Well, maybe if your sentences had something called structure and followed English grammar and spelling rules I'd be able to follow you.

Pot doesn't damage society, letting people with a sixth-grader's comprehension of the English language graduate from high school does.

[WayAbvPar]

This thread is starting to look like Old Yeller right before they took him out behind the barn. Let's try to keep it somewhat on topic and civil.

[voodoolily]

The Jesus, how can I possibly take anything you say seriously when you have that avatar?

[WayAbvPar]

Ph3@r Pornffleck.

[Sky]

Let's try to keep it somewhat on topic and civil.

My post before last was on-topic. I'd apologize for the personal attacks on Murgos if I didn't think he was a douchebag who isn't reading my posts.

But what do I know, I'm just a stupid dope smoker ruining society. 

[voodoolily]

Hey, so the kid's back at school now. Is there any update?

[schild]

But what do I know, I'm just a stupid dope smoker ruining society. 

I bet you paint your nails too. You truly are ruining society.

In other news, if that kid went to school wearing makeup again, I wouldn't be surprised if the matter was taken into the hands of the other students. By giving him a swirly and beating the shit out of him with a stop sign or two.

[voodoolily]

We should try to find a pic of him. I bet it's real scary like when celebrities are caught without their makeup.