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Topic: He's lucky a suspension is all he got wearing that shit. (Read 47855 times)
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voodoolily
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The only thing I'm jealous about with this kid is that I couldn't wear makeup until I was a junior! It's so easy to forget that the teen years are a crucial stage in our human development. We have to learn the final boundaries that can be tested, and what the consequences are for our actions. Having boundaries enforced and learning to respect them is exactly that test. When there's nothing to push against, there's no way to learn your own potential. 100% Comfort Zone <=> Useless Fucktard It sounds like you personally came through a penultimate test and succeeded. Hope you're doing something way cool with that accomplishment. Having something *real* to push against is an amazingly effective and constructive way for a kid to grow up. I'll bet you knew lots of kids back then who did not have something real to push against and probably came out nowhere near as well as you. That's why dress codes are needed. I can't define a fucked up person who needs a ten kiloton weight dropped on them to get them to fly straight. But I know them when I see them. Adults are (mostly) held responsible for their actions, and it normally makes for a far more comfortable social atmosphere than the schoolyard. The difference is extremely sharp, and I'm honestly surprised that your and schild's reaction is "oh well, suck it up". Comfortable? No they don't gather around you and mock you to your face. Unless they're the Kiss-up/Kick-down types. One just never gets anywhere. Mocking is gentle compared to never being able to provide for one's family as much as one needs. So yeah - one really does have to make their own way. I find the folks who have been through this shit and took it as a challenge are some of the most interesting people out there. The bullies and the dishrags never seem to get interesting. Weird. THere's stuff in the quote that wasn't there the first time I read it. Oh, well. Thanks, Poco, for the nice comps. It's funny, actually, I had friend in high school who had this really "cool" mom. Y'know, let us smoke and drink and stuff. Well my friend ended up dropping out like, 3 or 4 months before graduation because school was "too hard". It was too hard because she was stoned all the time! And then she got knocked up and started stripping to stay off welfare. Also, her dad hadn't been very present when she was a kid. Text book!
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schild
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Raging Turtle is right, and as an American it's somewhat bothersome to say it. But nearly any white kid growing up in America knows NOTHING about oppression. Nearly everyone alive today knows nearly nothing about oppression except a very small, select group of people over 75 and kids who live so deep in the inner city that they haven't bothered to name the area for fear that people might speak it.
Much of the known world still lives under horrific oppresion. Particularly parts of Southeast Asia, Africa, and parts of South America. They're living and fighting with it today. Even the police/citizen relationship in central America is more fucked up than anything most of us know about oppression in America. Saying that we understand oppression is a pompous act. And this is without even specifically pointing to parts of Columbia, North Korea and Peru. I still wouldn't take a holiday in Cambodia.
That said, people who put on motherfucking clown makeup and don't think it's a disruption in school are goddamn deluded and don't deserve the time of day and deserve to be ridiculed, suspended and expelled for continued disruption. I don't care what their mother, priest, rabbi, religion, or anything/one else tells them. It's not OK and you just look like a jackass.
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Text book! Umm...I dropped out and I make more money than most people my age (Well, I "did" up until recently, but that's due to me looking for a change and/or other bullshit. I can still stay in the line of work I was involved in, if I really wanted to). I'm also happy with myself, and not a self destructive person. Dropping out doesn't mean anything as far as I'm concerned. Some people just don't have any use for school after a certain point.
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Margalis
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Yes, let's just write off all those kids as never being anything. I'm glad you're not my kid's teacher.
I have to go with George Bush on this one. Some kids are just plain dumb and don't learn. Or at least, aren't interested in learning. People who aren't interested in learning at all just don't. Hopefully that doesn't describe your kids. If people are genuinely interested in learning I don't think red hair is going to dissuade them, nor are uniforms going to make someone uninterested snap to attention. Comparing Korea to the US is foolish, it's a very different culture. It *is* valid to say that uniforms aren't a form of oppression though. If that's the worst thing that ever happens to you in life you've done pretty damn well. Edit: Dress codes and uniforms are different things. Most schools have dress codes to some degree (no hats in the classroom for example) and that makes sense. But is red hair genuinely disruptive? Christ. When I was in high school I had long hair, was that disruptive? I'm sure it was for some people - fuck them. You know who was disruptive to me? This Korean bitch that spent an entire period of math arguing with the teacher over her test grade because the test expected her to deduce something. Can we ban her for a day? She derailed an entire period with her mouth. How about the smart guy that won't shut the fuck up and let another kid get a word in edgewise? If this kid showed up in school wearing the aforementioned "god hates fags" or whatever shirt, I might grant someone a point. But red hair and some makeup? Some of you are making the argument that kids need to be taught that life is hard. Maybe Suzy Honor Student should learn the valuable lesson that not every environment is 100% tailored to her pampered needs. What's she going to do in real life when she walks into a bus station, break down and cry? If I was that kid my defense would be this: "If you can't learn because of my red hair you're retarded, fuck you." And it would be true. If your kid can't learn because another kid in his class wears makeup your kid is dumb. When I was in high school one girls would dress super-slutty (who was also a raging feminist oddly) and once, when sitting directly across from me, spread her legs under her desk quite wide wearing a skirt and looked at me quite deliberately. I didn't learn shit in that class, but that's because the class sucked, not because my poor mind was subjected to crotch shots. If your philosophy is "suck it up" I say suck it up to the kids who complain about red hair. Babies. OMG I kant lurn that guy has red hair! Whatever. If his hair is such a distraction make him sit in the back row, problem solved. What are the chances they'll ban kids who show up wearing a couple hundred dollars of clothing? My guess is zero.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Margalis
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Not to say that there shouldn't be limits imposed strictly towards the purpose of maintaining a professional educational environment: certain excesses in dress are disruptive, whether intentionally or not. So said my high school principal when a student - newly arrived from Kansas - began wearing a genuine article godhatesfags.com t-shirt to school. The same principle might apply to Gotharella here.
God hates fags is genuinely offensive on purpose. A mohawk is not. It's not like high school kids have never seen goth dress before. It's just a dress style, same as a polo shirt and slacks, or the guy who always comes to school looking like his mom dressed him.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Roac
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It's not like high school kids have never seen goth dress before. It's just a dress style, same as a polo shirt and slacks, or the guy who always comes to school looking like his mom dressed him.
Which one of these is not like the other, which one of these doesn't belong...
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Riggswolfe
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First off, to Stray:
I won't give you my opinion on drop outs. Suffice it to say you'll discover that your potential is incredibly limited in the long run. Look up the term glass ceiling. Odds are you're already at it.
As for those whining about high scholl is hell, dress codes are Nazi oppression:
Get over it. Maybe it is hell. It takes so little effort to fit in and survive in high school it is astounding. I was a certified geek with horrible fashion sense and I still made it through high school.
You're there to learn. Not to express yourself. High school is alot like most forums. You may think you have the rights of the US Constitution, or whatever law applies in your country. But the truth is you only have what rights are given to you. (Yeah, guess that makes Schild our local principal)
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Margalis
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Christ, you guys are truly some grumpy old men. This is all rather amusing. "Kids today..." and all that.
The guy has a red mohawk and some eye makeup. God forbid! Are you the people that watch 20/20 specials about kids going to raves and recoil in horror? Talk about blowing things out of proportion. Again, the kid has a red mohawk and some makeup..oh no! How many miles uphill did you guys walk to school each way?
I will say the whole "high school was hell" is overplayed.
On a different note, I would never hire or not hire someone based on being a drop out. If you can do the job you can do the job. If a guy drops out to do drugs and doesn't do anything with his life then yeah, that's lame. If they guy drops out and is productive then good for him.
I would also point out that people expressing themselves *is* learning for other students. You know, free exchange of ideas and all that. God forbid someone in school see something slightly different that makes them a bit uncomfortable. Learning isn't all reading, riting and rithmatic. If the goths have to interact with the preps in the end it's probably good for both of them.
In a place like Japan the students wear uniforms but guess what, compared to the US Japanese society as a whole is extremely reserved and homogenous. You'll see more variety in the US riding a bus once than on the Japanese rail in a month. Why not educate people in a way that prepares them for introduction into larger society?
I just don't see what the big deal is. Maybe instead of getting their panties in a bunch the other kids could talk to freak boy or learn to FACE THEIR HEADS IN ANOTHER DIRECTION DUMBFUCKS. Math is hard!
If I had come home from high school one day and told my parents I couldn't concentrate because someone in class had some wacky makeup on my parents would have told me to get a life and stop being a retard. Maybe they understood that education isn't about dredging up flimsy excuses for being a moron. Treat your children like retards and that's what they'll be.
If I ever have kids and they whine about a kid with red hair I'll tell them I know they're smarter than that. Look the other way or move your fucking desk genius - try a little.
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"Feeling like I was being looked down upon for my parents' financial status was probably the most damaging experience of my formative years."
I've felt like that before, not solely financial status but more financial status + societal status + nasty divorce + little Johnny is acting kind of crazy in school for some reason. I wasn't hurting for money but I was low-class compared to a lot of my peers. But the moral of that story was, fuck them. At the time it wasn't so hot but looking back it was at least neutral and more than likely taught me some valuable after-school-special type of lessons. I certainly wouldn't go back in time and be a kid who got carted around in an SUV until my parents bought me a car for my birthday. There's a difference between hurtful and damaging. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger and such. (Cue "I'm still standing.")
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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schild
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High school isn't hell.
Middle School is hell. It's social boot camp. Either you're cool all 3 years or your not. There is no floating between groups for most people. Unless you're some sort of singing, dancing, charming triple threat. I'm sure even Fred Astaire hated middle school.
That said, we're not grump old men. We just think that the little snot nosed brat who's wearing that stupid shit because his mom is a wiccan pagan freak deserves whatever punishment he got and that kids can't be allowed to dress themselves. What was the name of that Adam Sandler movie where the kid wanted to dress as Frankenstein or something all the time? Yea, that's the situation here. I think it was called Big Daddy.
Some kids could use a big daddy that barely has 2 decades on them. I was a dumbass kid once and I wish I hadn't been such a dumbass. Kids today can be dumbasses also. But there's a line before you cross way past dumbassery. From where the guy with the facepaint is sitting, he can't even see that line.
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Look up the term glass ceiling. Odds are you're already at it. Hrm...And all this time I thought I was looking into a mirror.
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Polysorbate80
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....bunch of stuff....
One kid with red hair and a silly makeup job, maybe that's not that bad in the grand scheme of things. And over in the next chair is the kid who won't shut the fuck up, people can still learn, right? And in the corner is the one who won't take a goddamn shower *EVER* and stinks like a Nebraska pig farm.... As has been stated, school is not about freedom. It's about learning shit, and no matter how much a person may want to learn, a school classroom doesn't work if it's thirty raging individualists constantly doing their own thing. It does work if it's a group of quiet, respectful, non-disruptive people who can focus on the task at hand (or at least not prevent others from focusing) without someone or something constantly stabbing them in the eye. So, standards are set and lines are drawn. Are they fair? To the nonconformist, no. But they work for the other 29 students. And that's good enough for me. *edited for some wierd-ass grammar. <----is a product of public skoolz and all*
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Margalis
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One kid with red hair and a silly makeup job, maybe that's not that bad in the grand scheme of things. And over in the next chair is the kid who won't shut the fuck up, people can still learn, right?
That kid is never sent home. Especially not if they are an honors student who won't shut the fuck up. And in the corner is the one who won't take a goddamn shower *EVER* and stinks like a Nebraska pig farm....
Neither is that kid. It's about learning shit, and no matter how much a person may want to learn, a school classroom doesn't work if it's thirty raging individualists constantly doing their own thing. It does work if it's a group of quiet, respectful, non-disruptive people who can focus on the task at hand (or at least not prevent others from focusing) without someone or something stabbing constantly stabbing them in the eye.
How is MY HAIR COLOR akin to stabbing you in the eye? Are people really that easily distracted? I'm not in your face yelling at you or dancing on tables - I'm sitting there. You can't learn because of that? That's pathetic. 30 people "raging" doesn't make for good learning. 30 people dressing differently...who gives a fuck? And if it's disruptive to you because some retards in class keep talking about me or throwing spitballs THOSE are the people who should be sent home. Just sitting there with a mohawk is not disruptive in my book, and if that really prevents you from learning you need to re-roll a character with Mental Willpower above 3. If the kid isn't bothering other people (I don't consider a different hairstyle bothering) who cares? If he is truly disruptive then yeah, send him home. But if he's sitting there quietly learning what's the problem? I'm sure my long hair was "disruptive" to some retards in school if "disruptive" means morons who look for any excuse to not pay attention can find it by staring at my hair. Edit: And again, exposure to different things IS learning.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Kids who want to learn something at school do even with the distractions. Kids who don't want to learn something at school find anything to distract them. Even with school uniforms and soundproof single-person cubicles.
I went to a public school without school uniforms, my sister went to a private catholic school with school uniforms. Difference? None at all. Kids find their pecking order without fault. If its not the clothes its the accessories, if its not the accessories its the wristwatch/glasses. If not its the haircut. The way people speak. Body language. The same way old money people can detect and single out the new millionaire on the party, even if he looks exactly the same. There are treaties on these things. Different "classes" have different mannerism.
Children find their ways to rebel. Stricter rules just mean they have to work less to annoy others. Nothing solved there as well.
That said, even if you allow nearly everything some adolescents will find out what isn't allowed and do it. Just to test their limits. Its something almost everybody does in his youth, one way or the other.
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I don't view this as a "he is distracting other kids" thing. Hell he's probably giving the nerds a break by distracting all the bullies. I view it as something very simple. There are rules. The rules are there for a reason. He broke them. He's punished for it. Stop trying to make it out like he's opressed. You sound like a bunch of whiny defense lawyers.
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schild
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Stop trying to make it out like he's opressed. You sound like a bunch of whiny defense lawyers. The ACLU disagrees with what you said.
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Polysorbate80
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One kid with red hair and a silly makeup job, maybe that's not that bad in the grand scheme of things. And over in the next chair is the kid who won't shut the fuck up, people can still learn, right?
That kid is never sent home. Especially not if they are an honors student who won't shut the fuck up. And in the corner is the one who won't take a goddamn shower *EVER* and stinks like a Nebraska pig farm....
Neither is that kid. It's about learning shit, and no matter how much a person may want to learn, a school classroom doesn't work if it's thirty raging individualists constantly doing their own thing. It does work if it's a group of quiet, respectful, non-disruptive people who can focus on the task at hand (or at least not prevent others from focusing) without someone or something stabbing constantly stabbing them in the eye.
How is MY HAIR COLOR akin to stabbing you in the eye? Are people really that easily distracted? I'm not in your face yelling at you or dancing on tables - I'm sitting there. You can't learn because of that? That's pathetic. 30 people "raging" doesn't make for good learning. 30 people dressing differently...who gives a fuck? And if it's disruptive to you because some retards in class keep talking about me or throwing spitballs THOSE are the people who should be sent home. Just sitting there with a mohawk is not disruptive in my book, and if that really prevents you from learning you need to re-roll a character with Mental Willpower above 3. If the kid isn't bothering other people (I don't consider a different hairstyle bothering) who cares? If he is truly disruptive then yeah, send him home. But if he's sitting there quietly learning what's the problem? I'm sure my long hair was "disruptive" to some retards in school if "disruptive" means morons who look for any excuse to not pay attention can find it by staring at my hair. Edit: And again, exposure to different things IS learning. Yeah, those people *ARE* sent home--or at least to the office, after which they shape the fuck up and learn to act normal, or get suspended until they do. I knew those people, those are real examples. And some of them were otherwise the smartest kids and best students in school. Everyone's got problems they have to learn to deal with before the rest of the world backhands them across the eyes. Individually, it's not a big deal. He's relatively harmless. But if you start to let people slide, then other kids will push it farther. You KNOW they will. Kids are that way; "so and so gets to do this, so I should get to do that." They do it all the freakin' time, and even just arguing "no" is a huge waste of everyone's time. Limits HAVE to be set. Sorry that this kid exceeded them, but the line has to be somewhere, and it is usually (and reasonably) set at somewhere around what "society" considers "normal." FYI, "raging individualist" does not mean people throwing tantrums. It means people who absolutely must do their own goddamn thing no matter what. You know them, I know them, we all know them. These kids' fellow classmates know them outside of class; they don't need to see it in school to be exposed to it and 'learn' about it. If the malcontents want to do it in their own life, at home, where it doesn't impact anyone else, fine. Their choice. In schools or the office, it's inappropriate. Those other students do not choose to be in that class. They're told to be there, and they have to make the best of it. Do not try to tell me that they should have to suck it up when someone fucks around (even if it's something like a mohawk and face paint). It's their job to learn, and it's the school's job to help them, at least in part by creating an environment that is friendly to learning. Dressing like a jackass is not learning-friendly. If he wants to do that, let him homeschool with his equally irritating mother so nobody else has to put up with him, and he doesn't have to deal with them; it's a win-win. School is NOT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL. It is the Borg collective. Assimilate, or get the shaft.
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I'll quote my best friends dad on this one, "Children are barbarians who must have civilization forced upon them."
Chances are he got it from somewhere else but it's a good analogy. Civilization is literally the techniques required for people to function together when they have to live around each other, its a skill that must be taught.
Wearing red hair, mohawk and make-up to school is not the act of a civilized person, a person attempting to do thier part to make life livable for himself and those around him, it's just a drain on the time and energy of other people.
All that said I still think all this is too big a deal, shave his head and have his face scrubbed in front of the school assembly. Public personal embarrasment is probably the only really effective form of behavioral reform there is.
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One kid with red hair and a silly makeup job, maybe that's not that bad in the grand scheme of things. And over in the next chair is the kid who won't shut the fuck up, people can still learn, right?
That kid is never sent home. Especially not if they are an honors student who won't shut the fuck up. Margalis, I was that kid who wouldn't shut the fuck up. I got sent to the office all of the time. I got suspended. I was a complete and total dick who liked to sign his own progress reports and excuse slips in front of the teacher so that she would begin arguing with me again. The school took every negative action that they could. Guess what? I learned where the line was. I learned how to get close to the negative consequences without actually triggering them. I still didn't learn anything in class but I found other ways to amuse myself and the rest of the students learned. Teachers figured out that it was easier to let me roam the halls on another trip to the library or to allow me to go run errands instead of forcing me to sit in my chair for an hour. Hey, maybe something worked. After 6 years in the Marine Corps, I became a lawyer. I am productive member of society who knows where the limits are and has the ability to determine whether or not I want to face the consequences of pushing past those limits. I tend to break the speeding laws frequently. In fact, I wasn't allowed to become a Camp David guard because of my "reckless disregard for the law." So, I am now a lawyer who speeds. That's pretty much the limit of my challenging the system. I don't care enough about the other stuff to push those limits. This kid needs to learn who he is and how to make his place in society. I'm sorry that this particular idiot and his mother are completely unable to figure that out. Feel free to keep the kid home. You don't get to break the rules and demand that the rules change. There are no civil rights for idiot children.
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God hates fags is genuinely offensive on purpose. A mohawk is not. It's not like high school kids have never seen goth dress before. It's just a dress style, same as a polo shirt and slacks, or the guy who always comes to school looking like his mom dressed him.
certain excesses in dress are disruptive, whether intentionally or not. So said my high school principal when a student - newly arrived from Kansas - began wearing a genuine article godhatesfags.com t-shirt to school. The same principle might apply to Gotharella here.
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God forbid someone shows some individuality in the midst of our conformity factories. He should just join the football team and date-rape cheerleaders like a good boy.
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God forbid someone shows some individuality in the midst of our conformity factories. He should just join the football team and date-rape cheerleaders like a good boy.
Dumbassery != individuality, there are already enough idiots in the world, that does not make you unique.
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Here is the bottom line: If I'm sitting next to you wearing a mohawk but otherwise keeping to myself and being studious, and that somehow is preventing you from learning, why is the assumption automatically that *I* need fixing?
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Just some more information. Neat little article googled up " here on a survey of school principles. Short snippet The principals expressed strong support for dress codes, with 85 percent reporting that dress codes were needed at their schools. Most expressed the belief that dress codes "improve student behavior, reduce peer sexual harassment, prepare students for the work world, and are worth the trouble that it takes to enforce".
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Although the principals clearly favored dress codes, they acknowledged having some doubts about the constitutionality of restrictions on student dress. In response to this concern, the authors explain at length that the nation’s courts have repeatedly given school authorities wide latitude to enforce dress codes that preserve order in schools. A principal’s interest in enforcing dress regulations that "teach community values and promote school discipline" takes precedence over a student’s right to wear gang-related or sexually provocative clothing, say the authors. They also note Urban principals are much more inclined to want school uniforms, not just dress codes, which anecdotaly supports many of the storys you see of magnate or high acheivement schools being established in very poor urban neighborhoods (most of them start with uniforms from day 1). Some other good linkage on that page. Im a little surprise to see several people claiming dress code or uniforms don't "work". What exactly are you expecting them to do? Eliminate all teen social problems? Ain't gonna happen, no matter how they dress. What they most definately do accomplish is remove clothing/appearance as an easy distraction and disruption to the classroom, and that certainly DOES work. I could never do my wife's job; I'd want to kill to many of the little wankers and their parents in week 1. Xilren
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It's not like high school kids have never seen goth dress before. It's just a dress style, same as a polo shirt and slacks, or the guy who always comes to school looking like his mom dressed him.
Which one of these is not like the other, which one of these doesn't belong... The one who looks like mom dressed him. Seriously. When I went to highschool, that was the guy who would get picked on and shitkicked, mainly because those were the guys who lacked friends.
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Here is the bottom line: If I'm sitting next to you wearing a mohawk but otherwise keeping to myself and being studious, and that somehow is preventing you from learning, why is the assumption automatically that *I* need fixing?
It is not that the sight of the kid is distracting, it is the murmur through the class when he walks in, and people whispering about him and craning their necks to see what stupid shit he wore today. It is the body of kids together that allow themselves to be distracted. When a teacher has to spend 10 minutes at the beginning of every period trying to get everyone's attention instead of getting on with business, the kids lose.
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Abagadro
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Since when did you become a moderator?
We're dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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Krakrok
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I won't give you my opinion on drop outs. Suffice it to say you'll discover that your potential is incredibly limited in the long run. Look up the term glass ceiling. Odds are you're already at it. 80% of billionaires don't have college degrees. Next.
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stray
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Not to mention those involved in an artistic career -- Drop outs or not college educated. The whole lot of them (I'm not just talking about the mega rich and famous -- I'm also talking about the illustrators, designers, catelog models and photographers, and the guys who score acting gigs at dinner theaters and cruise lines).
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voodoolily
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Finnuh, munnuh, muhfuh, I enjoy creating new written vernacular, s'all.
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High school isn't hell.
Middle School is hell. It's social boot camp. Either you're cool all 3 years or your not. There is no floating between groups for most people. Unless you're some sort of singing, dancing, charming triple threat. I'm sure even Fred Astaire hated middle school.
God, amen schild. This was where I took the brunt of it for being poor. Like I said earlier, high school was kinda a cake walk compared to middle school because of the grunge scene. I was just talking about this the other day - I've noticed that generally speaking, people who were successful socially in middle school hit their peak at around age 16. Almost all of the girls who were popular in high school got complacent and fat. The nerdy chicks are all hot and successful now. Stray, when I said "text book" I was referring to my friend getting knocked up and becoming a stripper because her dad was absent. You should get your GED. It's really easy.
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Hoax
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I wonder how many of you guys are actually parents...
I mean if this was your kid, for whatever reason who wanted to dress "too differently" by the school standerds your saying you would have no trouble?
What if he just died his hair blue? What if he just didn't want to shave? What if he just felt like wearing pants that were too baggy? had tons of tears in them? had those wierd bondage straps? What if he wanted to wear a diamond stud earring?
What if your daughter wanted to wear really big earrings? What if she liked to wear some really crazy color of lipstick? What if she just wanted to dye her hair?
These are all things I've seen outlawed at dress code schools.
The point I'm making here is, this is not just about wiccan makeup wierdos. You implement dress codes and they only get more and more strict over time. At my high school now you have to buy your clothes from the school, basically there is one approved shirt and one approved set of pants each comes in a few colors.
Eventually the "Student Handbook" just becomes this bullshit document that gives the school a loophole to fuck with any kid they decide needs fucking with. This kid sounds like he's not a good student and he probably pissed his teachers off and now they are suspending him for what he wears. Thats a crock of shit.
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A nation consists of its laws. A nation does not consist of its situation at a given time. If an individual's morals are situational, then that individual is without morals. If a nation's laws are situational, that nation has no laws, and soon isn't a nation. -William Gibson
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stray
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should get your GED. It's really easy.
I did, a little after I first left. I even attended college while my peers were still in high school....Decided to quit that though. What if he just died his hair blue? Umm....Like Father, like son? What the hell is wrong is blue hair anyways? edit: My bad. Sounds like you're on my side (?).
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Krakrok
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That isn't the world list. Something like 691 in the world. The US only has 234. I can't find college stats for the world list right now but I did find where it says 41% of billionaires on the US list inherited the wealth (the world inherited percent is much higher).
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Xilren's Twin
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I won't give you my opinion on drop outs. Suffice it to say you'll discover that your potential is incredibly limited in the long run. Look up the term glass ceiling. Odds are you're already at it. 80% of billionaires don't have college degrees. Next. Even if that were true... What do you suppose is the ratio of dropout billionaires to dropouts who are poor? Yeah, i hear winning the mega lottery works well too. Xilren
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