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eldaec
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on: December 07, 2019, 04:58:01 AM

https://youtu.be/BIhNsAtPbPI

I don't know why I still bother. But another bond film still written by Purvis and Wade who've written every awful script since whichever one came after Goldeneye.

But hey, action looks cool. Has Christopher Waltz.

Edit by Trippy: fix title
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Khaldun
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Reply #1 on: December 07, 2019, 08:52:28 PM

Who is always a good performer but it doesn't help if his role is completely stupid, as it was in the last one.
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Reply #2 on: December 10, 2019, 05:57:49 PM

It looks like Jamesí balls were cut off and put in the female Bondís purse.  Iíll have to hear positive buzz before I go see this one.
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Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 01:30:20 AM

This whole franchise has just been "Random Action Movie" for quite some time now.  Maybe even since Roger Moore.

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Reply #4 on: December 11, 2019, 02:40:51 AM

It looks like Jamesí balls were cut off and put in the female Bondís purse.  Iíll have to hear positive buzz before I go see this one.

 rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

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Reply #5 on: December 11, 2019, 06:42:12 AM

If anything that's more true to the books, where James Bond manages to fuck up repeatedly and is often saved by the woman in the story. In the book of Thuderball, in the climactic fight
I'm sure MRA types are going to be up in arms but if anything this is a bit closer to the literary Bond who was certainly chivalrous but also portrayed as having the tactical acumen of a sledgehammer and constantly underestimated all women he came across. Bond wasn't really meant to be an admirable character, he's written as pretty much non-self reflective toxic masculinity who is slowly killing himself with booze and drugs (and quickly killing himself by being awful at spycraft). Bond movies having a strong female co-star is not really a betrayal of the character.

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eldaec
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Reply #6 on: December 11, 2019, 05:22:19 PM

This is true, but.... the books are terrible.

Craig bond films are the biggest wasted opportunity in the franchise. Best lead, best supporting casts, best ideas, best directors, but such truly awful writing.
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Reply #7 on: December 11, 2019, 05:35:07 PM

Yeah, the books are in fact bad--the difference between literary Bond and literary Mike Hammer or similar also-rans is surprisingly thin. Fleming was a weird dude and it's weird that this series became the big thing that it did. Connery has a lot to do with that.
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Reply #8 on: December 13, 2019, 10:04:30 AM

The books aren't amazing and the plots are sometimes just downright bizarre but I don't think it's fair to say Fleming was one the same level as other spy pulp. He sometimes managed some actually nice prose and his main character was written somewhat more nuanced than the typical pulp hero. Bond in the books is a chivalrous thug who spends his time trying to be cynical  but can't help being sentimental. He also is a terrible spy who is frequently saved from disaster just be being very good at shooting people and that's probably deliberate. I think it's also fair to say Fleming was probably one of the more progressive writers of his generation, The Spy Who Loved Me is all told from the perspective of the Bond girl and the first half is her biography getting treated like crap by a series of men and eventually deciding to say fuck it and take off on a road trip across the US by herself.

They're not Dickens or even le Carre but they're a big step up from the standard pulp stuff.

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Reply #9 on: March 04, 2020, 01:59:04 PM

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Reply #10 on: March 04, 2020, 03:04:59 PM

"The Spy who loved me" got a lot of critisism at the time it was released, I think mainly becasue it really showed Bond as bieng not an admirable person at all, but I think it's really the most interestng of the Bond novels, for one thing becasue the woman winds up thinking of this jackass with affection, which is really an indictment of the whole male species she has met so far. It was really a harsh bit of social commentary.

But ya, the Craig films have really been wasted potential.

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Reply #11 on: March 04, 2020, 04:59:58 PM

Yeah, the novel version of that is interesting, actually. The movie doesn't use anything from it but the title.
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