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on: March 01, 2019, 03:27:15 AM

Netflix. You need to watch it. Don't think from the first ep or two that you know what it is doing, because you don't.   It's only eight eps of around 25 minutes each and it is really, really dense when you fully get what it is all about. Going to watch it again at least once more.

Haven't felt the need to re-watch so soon after watching it since Barry (which you should also watch, why haven't you watched Barry?).

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Reply #1 on: March 01, 2019, 03:32:27 AM

How much rye have you drank this evening, sir?  DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS

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Reply #2 on: March 01, 2019, 03:36:12 AM

My rye consumption is irrelevant to how excellent Russian Doll is, thank you very much.

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Reply #3 on: March 01, 2019, 04:33:24 AM

It's bad and pointless.

Not as bad as Nightflyers, but it's bad.

And Pointless.

No Sir, I didn't like it.

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Reply #4 on: March 01, 2019, 07:46:00 AM

I really enjoyed it. I can see why someone wouldn’t though. There was a lot going on that I caught watching it all in one session.
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Reply #5 on: March 01, 2019, 11:39:52 AM

You may not have liked it (personal taste and all), but it has a very definitive point.

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Reply #6 on: March 01, 2019, 12:32:06 PM

I enjoyed it quite a bit.

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Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 01:34:13 PM

Worth watching just for the snappy dialogue and characterizations alone, but there's quite a bit more to it than that. Before watching the final episode I re-watched the first one.
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Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 02:50:33 PM

You may not have liked it (personal taste and all), but it has a very definitive point.

Alas, not to me, unless we count trite bullshit in a sea of harsh and unlikeable people as a 'point'.  But, by all means, crack on and let me know what it meant to you.

You do have to bear in mind that I'm that guy that didn't like Seinfeld.  Sometimes the whole New York Bullshit scene just doesn't work for me.  See also, Friends.

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Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 06:21:30 PM

It didn't necessarily "mean" anything to me, but I think it has a very specific message and point that is carried off well and in an entertaining way.  Maybe we are interpreting your use of "pointless" differently.  If you mean it didn't do anything for you, then that is part of the first part of my statement regarding people's personal tastes.  Particularly if that type of setting grates on you in general.  You have to get past the late X/early millennial hipster bullshit.
I am half way through the re-watch and while I am catching different things that are peripheral in the start that become central later, it is isn't having the same impact overall.  Who knows, maybe I was just in the right head space for the two nights I watched it through the first time.

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Reply #10 on: March 05, 2019, 02:53:48 AM

Yeah, alas, it didn't do anything for me.  
Also, I hated Sex and the City.  I think it's just me.  

Honestly, for a show with a Groundhog Conceit, I just didn't see the point.
Yeah, it's me, isn't it.  I'm just too angry for the message it was putting out.
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Shit, I should spoiler this shit before Americans wake up.

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Reply #11 on: March 05, 2019, 12:20:18 PM

The characters in Russian Doll are what they are supposed to be, they're not characters in The Good Place. What you wanted one of the characters to do is not an unintended effect. You should also spoiler the "conceit" phrase, I was lucky enough to watch it without knowing anything.
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Reply #12 on: March 05, 2019, 05:14:22 PM

That isn't even the message I got out of it and if that is what the commentators are going with I think it is a very shallow reading of it.

EDIT: I'm not being cagey here, I think it is a much different message she was going for (its kinda right there in the name), but my full theory on it is only about 3/4th baked right now. When I am done with the full re-watch I will lay it all out so everyone can call me a dope.
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Reply #13 on: March 05, 2019, 08:09:46 PM

I found this show different and interesting. I wouldn't watch it again, but it was worth watching once.
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Reply #14 on: March 07, 2019, 02:01:39 AM

I found this show different and interesting. I wouldn't watch it again, but it was worth watching once.

I like this less and less in hindsight, but I really enjoyed it on the first viewing.

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Reply #15 on: March 07, 2019, 02:24:35 AM

My thoughts on this are still forming up,  but a lot of it comes down to this being a show that has nothing whatsoever to do with interpersonal stuff or "connection" or "redemption" but instead being about trauma, the effects thereof, and the ability of therapy/analysis to dig out of it.  There are aspects of classic Fruedianism and psychodynamic theory all over this thing.  I don't even think I am reading into it or diving into subtext, it is pretty much all there.

Unless I get distracted/give into laziness, I will write a big long post on it.

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Reply #16 on: March 28, 2019, 05:08:11 PM

This is good. People should watch this.

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Reply #17 on: April 09, 2019, 11:06:12 AM

My thoughts on this are still forming up,  but a lot of it comes down to this being a show that has nothing whatsoever to do with interpersonal stuff or "connection" or "redemption" but instead being about trauma, the effects thereof, and the ability of therapy/analysis to dig out of it.  There are aspects of classic Fruedianism and psychodynamic theory all over this thing.  I don't even think I am reading into it or diving into subtext, it is pretty much all there.

Unless I get distracted/give into laziness, I will write a big long post on it.

For her character it most certainly is. Not so much for Alan unless I missed something. I think the Haunting of Hill House dealt with trauma and such better. I think this show was excellent and I do think Trauma and how it impacts people was a theme of the show but it wasn't the theme. It was more about how people get locked into cycles they aren't brave enough to break out of. The whole reason they were looping was because both of them just couldn't change on their own and were both very self destructive.

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Reply #18 on: June 03, 2019, 03:42:21 AM

This is good. People should watch this.

Pretty much covers it.

I was espeicially surprised that it had a satisfying ending.

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Reply #19 on: June 03, 2019, 03:07:09 PM

I was surprised to learn that this was pitched as having 3 seasons.


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