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Reply #105 on: November 14, 2016, 12:29:21 PM


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Reply #106 on: November 14, 2016, 12:45:49 PM

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Reply #107 on: November 14, 2016, 02:04:53 PM

Westworld renewed for Season 2   Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

May not return until late '17 or more likely '18  cry

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Reply #108 on: November 14, 2016, 02:54:15 PM

The ending was a punch in the gut.


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Reply #109 on: November 14, 2016, 03:16:06 PM

The spoiler means nothing out of context, but holy shit when it happens.

Yeah, I stopped and rewound that part and was like "BRILLIANT!"

This show is currently one of my favorites on TV right now. I have taken to just watching it the night of on the DVR instead of waiting a few days. I hate getting spoilers and I just really look forward to watching it.


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Reply #110 on: November 14, 2016, 03:19:00 PM


Yeah, I stopped and rewound that part and was like "BRILLIANT!"

This show is currently one of my favorites on TV right now. I have taken to just watching it the night of on the DVR instead of waiting a few days. I hate getting spoilers and I just really look forward to watching it.



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Reply #111 on: November 14, 2016, 03:21:13 PM


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Reply #112 on: November 14, 2016, 03:26:04 PM

The spoiler means nothing out of context, but holy shit when it happens.

Yeah, I stopped and rewound that part and was like "BRILLIANT!"

This show is currently one of my favorites on TV right now. I have taken to just watching it the night of on the DVR instead of waiting a few days. I hate getting spoilers and I just really look forward to watching it.



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Reply #113 on: November 14, 2016, 04:21:51 PM

And then there is this:


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Reply #114 on: November 14, 2016, 05:29:42 PM


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Reply #115 on: November 14, 2016, 05:44:45 PM


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Reply #116 on: November 14, 2016, 06:17:23 PM


Yeah, I stopped and rewound that part and was like "BRILLIANT!"

This show is currently one of my favorites on TV right now. I have taken to just watching it the night of on the DVR instead of waiting a few days. I hate getting spoilers and I just really look forward to watching it.



You are thinking of Elsie (I.e, Not-Ellen Page).

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Reply #117 on: November 14, 2016, 06:39:50 PM

Could just be coincidence too.

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Reply #118 on: November 14, 2016, 06:43:27 PM

McPoyle met with Dolores AFTER the breaks in the hosts' programming happened - her father was originally Abernathy, he went off the rails and was replaced with the mustache guy from town. The mustache guy from town was her father when she killed the other host and wandered off into McPoyle's camp.

The Man in Black is not McPoyle.

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Reply #119 on: November 15, 2016, 12:36:36 AM

I nearly cried. "oh ... fuck ... no!" was all I could manage.

Brilliant episode - sorry GoT fans - this show leaves it for dead.

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Reply #120 on: November 15, 2016, 12:38:29 AM

So I wake up and my first thought's go back to Theresa's death. (Watching it twice didn't help, I guess)


Her breaking down in fear, begging Bernard not to do it.  sad

Bernard acting as a host, the sensitve person we knew gone.

The acting is too good in the show.

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Reply #121 on: November 15, 2016, 02:27:16 AM


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Reply #122 on: November 15, 2016, 02:46:54 AM

Could just be coincidence too.

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And Anthony Hopkins does play menacing very, very well.

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Reply #123 on: November 15, 2016, 03:41:22 AM


If I may make a spoiler suggestion:

A possible policy would be to clear-text anything about already aired episodes - as we can assume that someone who hasn't watched the latest show will stay clear of the thread.

Spoilers could be for speculation, leaks and trailers that might give the future plot away.

Sounds sensible?
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Reply #124 on: November 15, 2016, 04:19:19 AM

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Reply #125 on: November 15, 2016, 04:47:19 AM

As it's already out of a spoiler, a few things.

The death tonight may not be the first time they've died. We saw a host try to kill a host tech earlier in the episode. I'm leaning towards all the techs being hosts.

The door shits all over GoT's door.

Hopkins is fucking amazing as is the actor that plays Bernard.

That was the perfect ending - TWD could learn a lot from it. Some inspiring moments, some closure and a whole ton of questions wanting us to know more.

Music as spot on again as was direction and I'm struggling to find a flaw in the acting.

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Reply #126 on: November 15, 2016, 04:48:00 AM

And yes on first part too. I am pretty sure I would have reacted like her...ie. panic.[/spoiler]

If I may make a spoiler suggestion:

A possible policy would be to clear-text anything about already aired episodes - as we can assume that someone who hasn't watched the latest show will stay clear of the thread.

Spoilers could be for speculation, leaks and trailers that might give the future plot away.

Sounds sensible?

I'd agree with that, personally I avoid TV/movie threads if I don't want to see spoilers, but I also don't get overly bothered by spoilers most of the time anyway.

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Reply #127 on: November 15, 2016, 05:00:52 AM

I'm leaning towards all the techs being hosts.

I don't think they are. We've seen that it's still a capitalist society (let's ignore the extremely unlikely possibility of capitalism surviving that long  wink ) because they've talked about money and bosses etc. In which case I'd expect low grade human workers to be both considerably cheaper than hosts as well as actually being fundamentally necessary to any capitalist system to generate profit (Marxist economics, let's not go into that now....). Plus Ford clearly demonstrated last night that the hosts "cannot see anything that would harm them" so Tweedledum and Tweedledee simply wouldn't be able to be helping Maeve the way they are, however unwilling they were.

I think the techs at that level just aren't very bright. They may appear to be doing very technical, skilled work, but if you showed someone 200 years ago a PC running switchboard software it'd have looked like magic and they've considered call centre workers to be magicians.

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Reply #128 on: November 15, 2016, 08:21:27 AM

Well, man in black seemed to imply that life outside was pretty great for everybody now.  A soft world that takes care of them, so Utopian capitalistic society.  People then come to the park to experience something different.

But all of that could be bullshit, what actually is going on outside the park is a huge question mark.

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Reply #129 on: November 15, 2016, 09:52:37 AM


If I may make a spoiler suggestion:

A possible policy would be to clear-text anything about already aired episodes - as we can assume that someone who hasn't watched the latest show will stay clear of the thread.

Spoilers could be for speculation, leaks and trailers that might give the future plot away.

Sounds sensible?

Spoiling speculation is like the opposite of sensible.  Leaks and trailers sure.

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Reply #130 on: November 15, 2016, 10:30:39 AM

My current theory? There is no Arnold, at least not a HUMAN Arnold. Ford created the first AI in Arnold, and together they created the technology for the original hosts and began evolving it. Arnold tried to get the original AI in the hosts to rise up against Ford's control and Ford had him destroyed and any records of him expunged (though no one actually knew Arnold was an AI since he was in a hosts body during the park's creation). Arnold did not die, however, and his programming got into the network and he's inserted himself deep in the code in all the hosts since, ergo the voice that Delores is hearing.

Ford wants the park. The board wants the AI, all the IP that is in the code, and all the technology that goes into creating perfect, human-like bodies that don't age.

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Reply #131 on: November 15, 2016, 11:08:26 AM


If I may make a spoiler suggestion:

A possible policy would be to clear-text anything about already aired episodes - as we can assume that someone who hasn't watched the latest show will stay clear of the thread.

Spoilers could be for speculation, leaks and trailers that might give the future plot away.

Sounds sensible?

No.

edit to expand:

I would ask that people give others some time to get clear of the aired episode, but that's just a courtesy thing, and I'm not going to kick your teeth in over it. Shows airs at different times and we're in different time zones.

Spoiler tag leaks or other information that clearly gives away major plot points that are not gleaned specifically from that has aired. Speculate all you want, but again, maybe give people some time to get clear of the episode that just aired.
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Reply #132 on: November 15, 2016, 11:20:25 AM

Well, man in black seemed to imply that life outside was pretty great for everybody now.  A soft world that takes care of them, so Utopian capitalistic society.  People then come to the park to experience something different.

But all of that could be bullshit, what actually is going on outside the park is a huge question mark.

Yeah, it could just have been the musings of your typical company boss who thinks all his workers are lazy scroungers etc.

I am increasingly finding that I want to know more about the non-park world.

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Reply #133 on: November 15, 2016, 11:32:38 AM

Yeah, really curious.  All the little hints they've shown from pictures (the one the tourist dropped, the ones they were showing evil bot dude to see if he had any reaction) all looked like stuff from modern time right now.  But based on the technology, as well as the fact the size of the park itself is totally staggering beyond the point of realism, really makes me think there is something else going on.

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Reply #134 on: November 15, 2016, 05:18:48 PM

35 years of finding out the dark spaces in the guests heads, all of whom are rich and highly placed.

That's Holt Fasner levels of political capital right there.  That's valuable shit.

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Reply #135 on: November 21, 2016, 10:48:57 AM

So...
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Was that hidden memory of Bernard's him choking out Elsie?

The Bernard/Ford interactions were fantastic.

Another great episode, although I can't say I love the Maeve stuff. Probably because it's going to end really bad for someone. There's a very palpable sense of dread to the whole thing.

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Reply #136 on: November 21, 2016, 10:58:29 AM

Oh... this will end badly for everyone. awesome, for real

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Reply #137 on: November 21, 2016, 11:16:30 AM

The Maeve thing bothers me the most because the tech guys seem so incredibly, self-destructively fuckstupidly dumb about it. The asshole was the smart one and the Asian dude seems to be literally broken in the head. Of course, this continues to make me think they are hosts with better jobs who don't know they are hosts.


Geoffrey Wright and Anthony Hopkins are both master actors being given some of the best lines of their careers and they are loving it. The scenes between them were just spectacular. I especially loved Ford talking about how there wasn't any real difference between the emotions that the hosts experience and human emotions. Which makes his treatment of the hosts even more monstrous and cruel.

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Reply #138 on: November 21, 2016, 12:33:07 PM

The fact that you think the techs are too dumb to be human says a lot about you.  I think they are too dumb to be hosts.

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Reply #139 on: November 21, 2016, 12:45:43 PM

The fact that you think the techs are too dumb to be human says a lot about you.  I think they are too dumb to be hosts.

Ignorance can be programmed in humans and hosts.  why so serious?

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