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Reply #105 on: January 29, 2016, 02:33:41 PM

There's very little difference outside of how long it takes to clear a rift in either event. I don't talk to people and running 4 rifts solo or in a group still takes the same amount of time over-all.  When doing them in a group the people drop in/ out or fuck around in town between rifts too long 80% of the time, killing any efficiency there vs. Solo-rifting.

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Reply #106 on: January 29, 2016, 04:16:35 PM

Fuck you blizzard. 

I had an idea on how to use Tal whatever set on my wizard to hopefully get higher up since I was having trouble going higher than T6 with my Firebird wizard (more due to a lack of ability to take damage than an ability to dish out damage).  So I equipped my 6 pieces of Tal Rasha I had in my bank and went into T5 to test it out.  My idea worked and I was destroying things.  A second before I am about to zone out to up the difficulty an elite appears.  The second I go to attack it I get 3007'ed for no reason.  Log back in and my HC seasonal character is dead.

I don't care if my HC guy dies due to my own stupidity, and I know it wasn't my internet because i literally just killed another enemy with no rubber banding or any lag. 
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Reply #107 on: January 29, 2016, 04:20:26 PM

As much as i enjoyed HC the lag and disconnect deaths killed it for me long long ago.

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Reply #108 on: January 31, 2016, 09:23:46 AM

The Firebird set dungeon is pretty terribly designed.  You have to completely gimp your damage and having one specific legendary is pretty much a requirement.
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Reply #109 on: January 31, 2016, 09:26:18 AM

Many of the sets seem to be poorly thought out.  That's why I think we're seeing the LON sets do so well this season.

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Reply #110 on: January 31, 2016, 10:38:34 AM

Fuck you blizzard. 

I had an idea on how to use Tal whatever set on my wizard to hopefully get higher up since I was having trouble going higher than T6 with my Firebird wizard (more due to a lack of ability to take damage than an ability to dish out damage).  So I equipped my 6 pieces of Tal Rasha I had in my bank and went into T5 to test it out.  My idea worked and I was destroying things.  A second before I am about to zone out to up the difficulty an elite appears.  The second I go to attack it I get 3007'ed for no reason.  Log back in and my HC seasonal character is dead.

I don't care if my HC guy dies due to my own stupidity, and I know it wasn't my internet because i literally just killed another enemy with no rubber banding or any lag. 

This is why I don't play Hardcore in Diablo 3, or any other game that is online only. I played a ton of hardcore in Diablo 2 and Torchlight, but I'm just not going to fuck with network connectivity issues and hardcore modes.
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Reply #111 on: January 31, 2016, 03:07:59 PM

Fancied a change from the Invoker Crusader so I rolled a Barb, roughly following this build for speed farming TX rifts. 6-piece set bonus from IK's plus 4-piece set bonus from Raekor's is stupid crazy damage.

It's ridiculous fun. Makes me think of the "When do you start to suck at gaming" thread though because I can barely keep up with the speed of it. I'm usually playing with a mate who's in a Wand of Woh speed wizard build and we're clearing a TX rift in 2-3 minutes. It takes us longer to go back and loot, if we can be bothered, than it does to clear it.

Biggest gripe with it is that I can't find a good chest piece to transmog to go with the Raekor's set, which has no chest!

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Reply #112 on: January 31, 2016, 04:50:42 PM

I don't understand how everyone is blowing past TX and higher GRifts.  I must just have terrible luck.  I seem to have hit a wall with Firebird at T7 (I can do T8 Nephalim rifts but my fatal damage passives blow too often for me to be comfortable with).  The rate of legendaries falling is woefully low for the fact that I seem to need some specific stuff.  I can't switch sets because I only have partial pieces of the other sets and it seems like 9 out of 10 set pieces that drop are either firebird (non-ancient so most of the time not an upgrade) or blackthrones

*Edit* I thought I'd start a new class to lower the repetition a bit but I loathe having to get a full set on yet another class and starting at T1.
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Reply #113 on: January 31, 2016, 05:47:23 PM

I don't understand how everyone is blowing past TX and higher GRifts.  I must just have terrible luck.  I seem to have hit a wall with Firebird at T7 (I can do T8 Nephalim rifts but my fatal damage passives blow too often for me to be comfortable with).  The rate of legendaries falling is woefully low for the fact that I seem to need some specific stuff.  I can't switch sets because I only have partial pieces of the other sets and it seems like 9 out of 10 set pieces that drop are either firebird (non-ancient so most of the time not an upgrade) or blackthrones

*Edit* I thought I'd start a new class to lower the repetition a bit but I loathe having to get a full set on yet another class and starting at T1.
Firebirds is broken, in a bad way, switch to literally any other wizard set and become amazed. Now, I know you said you aren't getting drops; the mistake you are making is not hoping into any clan groups and leeching the t10 drop rates. Seriously nobody minds and most of us enjoy the company, carry or not.

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Reply #114 on: January 31, 2016, 06:51:19 PM

I don't understand how everyone is blowing past TX and higher GRifts.  I must just have terrible luck.

Hop in with some friends.  I was farming tier X rifts in 3-4 mins and getting 5-7 legendaries a run.  It fills up the bank pretty fast. 


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Reply #115 on: January 31, 2016, 07:15:40 PM

The problem with joining in with Friend's T10 groups is they leave random mobs all over the place.  I can't really take the damage to run behind them and since I"m HC that's dangerous (so maybe that's the core issue).

Also what do you mean by FIrebird is broken?

*EDit:* I do have 4 pieces of the archon set, but not sure how viable it'll be without the reducing cooldown legendary.
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Reply #116 on: January 31, 2016, 07:42:52 PM

The problem with joining in with Friend's T10 groups is they leave random mobs all over the place.  I can't really take the damage to run behind them and since I"m HC that's dangerous (so maybe that's the core issue).

Ask them to be more judicious about clearing?  Accept that you're going to die a few times? 

Not really understanding the issue here.

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Reply #117 on: January 31, 2016, 09:19:28 PM

You missed where he said he's HC - Hardcore. There is no 'dying a few times.' Dead and restart

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Reply #118 on: January 31, 2016, 10:34:31 PM

You missed where he said he's HC - Hardcore. There is no 'dying a few times.' Dead and restart

I did miss that.  My apologies.

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Reply #119 on: January 31, 2016, 11:35:55 PM

There's no way I could play this Barb build in HC. I die regularly. Same with my friend's Wizard. Accidentally Furious Charge/Teleport near a molten pack as one of the mobs dies? Dead, lol. Stand in some poison/electric/lava/etc too long? Dead, lol. We die often, and it's always funny when we do.

The drop rates in TX are a lot higner than lower torments, and speed-clear builds are mostly pretty squishy until you get a load of excellent gear, so starting off in TX seems to involve a lot of dying, for me anyway.

Hardcore just seems like a way to take a lot of the fun away.

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Reply #120 on: February 01, 2016, 05:25:19 AM

Also, quick gearing up tip. You don't have to rely solely on drops or spending shards. Upgrading rares in the Kanai's Cube is a great way to get specific pieces. If you have a build you're working towards then you can run lots of easy/safe normal rifts for crafting mats, make the rare base item and then upgrade them until you get what you're after. I've found it much easier and faster to get specific bits that way.

If you don't have a build in mind then I highly recommend looking at something like Diablofans and checking out the top rated builds for this patch for your class. They're all highly theorycrafted and tested and are very solid. Sure, you can build and gear how you want if you're pootling around in low Torment but you're going to find that a lot harder in tougher difficulties.

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Reply #121 on: February 01, 2016, 06:19:36 AM

Also, quick gearing up tip. You don't have to rely solely on drops or spending shards. Upgrading rares in the Kanai's Cube is a great way to get specific pieces. If you have a build you're working towards then you can run lots of easy/safe normal rifts for crafting mats, make the rare base item and then upgrade them until you get what you're after. I've found it much easier and faster to get specific bits that way.

See, another friend mentioned this and rerolling legendary in the cube and I realized I totally forgot about that.  However, when I looked it up online it said to do so required 50 forgotten souls, and so far I've been able to accumulate a whopping 130 in total.  Seems extremely expensive unless I am missing something.

*Edit*: Just looked it up again and it seems I've confused myself.  Upgrade rare doesn't require forgotten souls, so yeah that looks like a pretty economical way to try and get some legs I need.
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Reply #122 on: February 01, 2016, 06:48:14 AM

Yeah it's Death's Breaths I keep running out of doing that. I think there's an item that lets you get double drops of them but I've forgotten what it is.

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Reply #123 on: February 01, 2016, 07:01:57 AM

Sage's Journey - crafted set - for DBs.
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Reply #124 on: February 01, 2016, 07:57:35 AM

That's the one, thanks Xan. I should craft one of those sets because I'm gearing up a Wiz atm and keep running out of DBs.

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Reply #125 on: February 01, 2016, 03:14:43 PM

Also, quick gearing up tip. You don't have to rely solely on drops or spending shards. Upgrading rares in the Kanai's Cube is a great way to get specific pieces. If you have a build you're working towards then you can run lots of easy/safe normal rifts for crafting mats, make the rare base item and then upgrade them until you get what you're after. I've found it much easier and faster to get specific bits that way.

See, another friend mentioned this and rerolling legendary in the cube and I realized I totally forgot about that.  However, when I looked it up online it said to do so required 50 forgotten souls, and so far I've been able to accumulate a whopping 130 in total.  Seems extremely expensive unless I am missing something.

*Edit*: Just looked it up again and it seems I've confused myself.  Upgrade rare doesn't require forgotten souls, so yeah that looks like a pretty economical way to try and get some legs I need.

If you ever are actually low on souls, then you start plowing through TX rifts and DEing all the legs that drop. You'll never have enough mats to cube all of the effects anyway because Bounties SUCK.

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Reply #126 on: February 01, 2016, 06:54:45 PM

Went to my non-season monk to clean-up the mail - 12-days left to collect your sets from last season, by the way.

Anyhow... noticed that they changed Inna to provide all your spirit allies at once with 50% damage bonus for each... then I remembered I had the 2x ally boots disenchanted and wondered if that would give me 10 allies.  Er, yep.  10 spirit allies and all the benefits, plus all the mantras plus 500% damage to all skills... zoinks, totally un-optimized went from T6 to T9 and just walking through enemies.  The monkiest of monks.  I wish there was a reason to play non-season characters.

Just using builders for damage... once something blue, yellow or purple shows up - hit 7 sided strike and everything dies - continue until next pack of elites.  Kill boss.  Augmented with various AOE blades, clouds, auras of death.

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Reply #127 on: February 02, 2016, 12:40:03 AM

Holy crap you guys weren't kidding about Firebird being broken and bad.  Now that I understand how it works (you only gain the 25% buff after you've done 3000% damage, which for most mobs means they are already dead) I realize I'm not getting use out of the set pieces at all.  It almost seems like you want a low damage weapon so the threshold for the damage is lower and easier to obtain, but I can't imagine how that works in reality.

I did however, get a RORG and a 5th Tal Rasha set piece and holy shit, the damage is insane.  It took me a while to figure out a good flow to get all 4 stacks (the trick it seems was Teleport with calamity for the arcane).  I also finally used the cube to upgrade some rares and got an ancient Wand of Woh.  I went from barely being able to do Torment 5 to being able to do GRift 36 in 4 minutes flat consistently.  I know I can go higher, but I just stayed there to farm my gems up to level 25. 

Tomorrow I shall tempt fate and see how far I can go....
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Reply #128 on: February 02, 2016, 12:51:33 AM

ancient Wand of Woh.

Nice! With that and 6-piece Tal Rasha's you've possibly got GR60+ there  awesome, for real

I got a nearly perfect ancient Pig Sticker drop yesterday, just needs CDR to be ideal for my thorns Crusader. 120 enchant attempts, over 500 million gold and not a sngle CDR roll on it yet. swamp poop  Gave up in disgust and went to bed.

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Reply #129 on: February 02, 2016, 01:06:12 AM

If you ever are actually low on souls, then you start plowing through TX rifts and DEing all the legs that drop. You'll never have enough mats to cube all of the effects anyway because Bounties SUCK.

So much this.  Seasons have taught me that I keep way too many legendary items in the hope of one day having the Bounty rewards to cube them.

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Reply #130 on: February 02, 2016, 02:43:44 AM

ancient Wand of Woh.

Nice! With that and 6-piece Tal Rasha's you've possibly got GR60+ there  awesome, for real

I got a nearly perfect ancient Pig Sticker drop yesterday, just needs CDR to be ideal for my thorns Crusader. 120 enchant attempts, over 500 million gold and not a sngle CDR roll on it yet. swamp poop  Gave up in disgust and went to bed.

120 attempts?  Ow.

Because of the imperfect nature of all RNG generators it would probably be better to quit out and start a new game after 15 rolls with no desired stat showing once. D3s gen in particular seems streaky as you may have noticed a n all those rolls that the same type was coming up frequently.

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Reply #131 on: February 02, 2016, 02:46:14 AM

120 attempts?  Ow.

Because of the imperfect nature of all RNG generators it would probably be better to quit out and start a new game after 15 rolls with no desired stat showing once. D3s gen in particular seems streaky as you may have noticed a n all those rolls that the same type was coming up frequently.

Yeah, but I'd got into that "Fuck you RNG" frame of mind. Plus it's only the 1st ancient Pig Sticker I've seen so far. Plus I'd had a few whiskys.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #132 on: February 02, 2016, 06:50:44 AM

Holy crap you guys weren't kidding about Firebird being broken and bad.  Now that I understand how it works (you only gain the 25% buff after you've done 3000% damage, which for most mobs means they are already dead) I realize I'm not getting use out of the set pieces at all.  It almost seems like you want a low damage weapon so the threshold for the damage is lower and easier to obtain, but I can't imagine how that works in reality.

I tried Firebird (since that was what my wizard had equipped when I went back to her.). It cleared elites incredibly quickly, but struggled hard with trash mobs.  I imagine the melee demon hunter works rather like that as well.

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Reply #133 on: February 02, 2016, 06:59:44 AM

D3s gen in particular seems streaky as you may have noticed a n all those rolls that the same type was coming up frequently.

My PS4 crusader is sitting at 4/6 invoker because I've burned ~4000 shards on the helm and haven't seen it yet. In fact, I've seen a handful of Blind Faith and overseer's cowl, but I've yet to see a set helm. I'm stuck in T6 because drops and shards are absolute shit. RNG gonna RNG.
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Reply #134 on: February 02, 2016, 07:31:04 AM

D3s gen in particular seems streaky as you may have noticed a n all those rolls that the same type was coming up frequently.

My PS4 crusader is sitting at 4/6 invoker because I've burned ~4000 shards on the helm and haven't seen it yet. In fact, I've seen a handful of Blind Faith and overseer's cowl, but I've yet to see a set helm. I'm stuck in T6 because drops and shards are absolute shit. RNG gonna RNG.

Does PS4 not get the free set pieces for the season journey?  

I tried Firebird (since that was what my wizard had equipped when I went back to her.). It cleared elites incredibly quickly, but struggled hard with trash mobs.  I imagine the melee demon hunter works rather like that as well.

Yep that's my experience too, but what I figured out was the reason was that it's trivial to get that 3000% weapon damage against elites, which gives you lots of time at 600% increased damage.  However, since trash mobs die before giving you the firebird burn buff you have to slog through them unbuffed.  Pretty dumb.

*Edit:* I guess it means the set excels is supposed to excel at higher greater rift when mobs have more health, thus allowing you to get more damage bonuses, but the stats dont' really help survivability to survive up to the point where you finally start getting a good damage bonus.
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Reply #135 on: February 02, 2016, 08:31:34 AM

D3s gen in particular seems streaky as you may have noticed a n all those rolls that the same type was coming up frequently.

My PS4 crusader is sitting at 4/6 invoker because I've burned ~4000 shards on the helm and haven't seen it yet. In fact, I've seen a handful of Blind Faith and overseer's cowl, but I've yet to see a set helm. I'm stuck in T6 because drops and shards are absolute shit. RNG gonna RNG.

Does PS4 not get the free set pieces for the season journey?  

My understanding is that the consoles don't get seasons. They have some vague excuse about how it's because console players can play offline, and server stuff, etc...
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Reply #136 on: February 02, 2016, 08:34:23 AM

I can envision they want you chain-teleporting through a rift, never stopping, spamming fire on everything and hoping it all burns to death before the timer ends.  

Until the inevitable mis-click teleports you into death.  I ain't trying it.

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Reply #137 on: February 02, 2016, 08:52:12 AM

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Reply #138 on: February 02, 2016, 11:00:16 AM

I also capped out at around T7 with my Firebird wiz. Made a leapquake barb and have been having a blast jumping all over Hell's half acre beating the shit out of things. I can struggle through TX solo (Malthael is still a challenge), or cruise in a group. Finished a GR 49 last night. Need to bang out the set dungeon, then maybe go back to the wiz and do some different sets so I can clean them out of my bank.

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Reply #139 on: February 02, 2016, 11:22:35 AM

Speaking of which, are there rewards for mastering the set dungeons or is it just a "congrats"?
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