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~a horrific, dark simulacrum that glares balefully at us, with evil intent.
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Margalis
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Good news for the 3 people on earth who still give a shit about LOTR movies.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Ironwood
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I care, just not as much as I probably should. He kinda missed the point. Hugely.
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Ill have to take my son to this. Good opportunity for a 3 hour long nap.
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Reg
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I hated the second movie so much that I think I'll wait for the remainder-priced DVD.
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Merusk
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I'm surprised it took the 2nd movie to turn so many of you away. I thought the first was terrible and splitting them up into 3 was a blatant cash grab that could only mean lots of bullshit and nonsense thrown in, but accepted my stance as a minority. What a difference a year makes.
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All I can say is I kind of enjoy these more than the original 3, but I am in the Randall group when it comes to LOTR. |
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They're not great, but I still like listening to Ian McKellen do the Gandalf voice. If I had my way, McKellen as Gandalf would narrate everything.
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Lantyssa
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I could get behind that idea.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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RhyssaFireheart
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Apparently, I'm weird. I've enjoyed the first two just fine and am looking forward to the third. One of us is broken and I'm convinced it's not me.  |
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shiznitz
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Apparently, I'm weird. I've enjoyed the first two just fine and am looking forward to the third. One of us is broken and I'm convinced it's not me. Ditto. I read the book so long ago I don't give a shit how true the movies are. Other then the fighting rock giants in the 1st one. That was fucking dumb. |
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Ginaz
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They're not great, but I still like listening to Ian McKellen do the Gandalf voice. If I had my way, McKellen as Gandalf would narrate everything.
But that would put Morgan Freeman out of work. Freeman vs McKellen...who would win? |
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Evildrider
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They're not great, but I still like listening to Ian McKellen do the Gandalf voice. If I had my way, McKellen as Gandalf would narrate everything.
But that would put Morgan Freeman out of work. Freeman vs McKellen...who would win? Freeman, no contest. |
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Ingmar
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I'm also looking forward to this. The first two were clearly flawed, but not to the point of not being able to find things about them to enjoy.
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disKret
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They're not great, but I still like listening to Ian McKellen do the Gandalf voice. If I had my way, McKellen as Gandalf would narrate everything.
But that would put Morgan Freeman out of work. Freeman vs McKellen...who would win? Freeman, no contest. Both are pretty old. Who will replace them - I can't think of anyone with such memorable voice. |
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01101010
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  Seriously though... No idea who will take the throne from Freeman. |
Does any one know where the love of God goes...When the waves turn the minutes to hours? -G. Lightfoot
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Cyrrex
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Regardless of like or dislike: The three LOTR movies looked like they should have looked. The characters acted like they should have acted. The battles went as the battles were meant to go. They went to most of the places they were supposed to go. Most events unfolded as they were expected to unfold. There are some exceptions to all of these points, but I feel that they generally hold true.
In the Hobbit movies, absolutely none of the above is true. The characters don't look right. They sure as shit don't act right. They places they go to do not look as described. Battles do not happen they way they are supposed to. Events are so differently portrayed that the source material might as well be something else. This doesn't even begin to address the unnecessary stuff that has been included. The whole tone of the movies is wrong as well.
Can't wait for the battle of five armies. Wonder what side Smaug will be on!
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While not as good as LotR, and although I have intentionally not re-read the Hobbit in the run up to these films, and despite acknowledging that they really are a bit long...
I still enjoyed the last two on their own merits, at least enough to pay to see the third. They are better than most of the geek oriented cinema that gets a dozen plus pages of posting in this forum.
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Ironwood
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I'm with the Monkey, though I'll still see it and (probably) enjoy it for the most part. I just won't remember doing so, which is a shame.
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angry.bob
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Can't wait for the battle of five armies. Wonder what side Smaug will be on!
COme on man, how can he on a side when Legolas sees him flying down towards the lake and kills him by shooting him 60 times in the same spot on his eye, driving a succession of arrows into his brain. Then with Smaug slain Legolas throws his cape back and flies off to fight injustice in another part of the world. Also the girl elf and beardless dwarf travel back in time to escape oppressive marriage laws and their offspring form the beginnings of the hobbit race. |
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01101010
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Also the girl elf and beardless dwarf travel back in time to escape oppressive marriage laws and their offspring form the beginnings of the hobbit race.
It could work if they use the sun to slingshot themselves around... |
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murdoc
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Apparently, I'm weird. I've enjoyed the first two just fine and am looking forward to the third. One of us is broken and I'm convinced it's not me. Ditto. I read the book so long ago I don't give a shit how true the movies are. Other then the fighting rock giants in the 1st one. That was fucking dumb. Me three, I did read The Hobbit right before the first movie came out and other than the rock giants, I quite enjoyed them. I'm looking forward to this. |
Have you tried the internet? It's made out of millions of people missing the point of everything and then getting angry about it
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I wonder if we're going to see some sort of Five Armies tabletop game come out of this.
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angry.bob
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I wonder if we're going to see some sort of Five Armies tabletop game come out of this.
Is that sarcasm? Because Games Used to have one in their specialist range as a 6mm game, and I remember reading that they were going to do one in their main LOTR scale line. |
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Regardless of like or dislike: The three LOTR movies looked like they should have looked. The characters acted like they should have acted. The battles went as the battles were meant to go. They went to most of the places they were supposed to go. Most events unfolded as they were expected to unfold. There are some exceptions to all of these points, but I feel that they generally hold true.
In the Hobbit movies, absolutely none of the above is true. The characters don't look right. They sure as shit don't act right. They places they go to do not look as described. Battles do not happen they way they are supposed to. Events are so differently portrayed that the source material might as well be something else. This doesn't even begin to address the unnecessary stuff that has been included. The whole tone of the movies is wrong as well.
I agree with all of this. But... that is a nuance lost on the movie audience. Hobbit movies are basically set in the same imagined world of LoTR for the audience of people who know the names but never read the books. And there's a lot of those people. LoTR is a slog, and while Hobbit is better, it's no Dan Brown or James Patterson. Short attention span theater still applies here. But I don't mind Hobbit being in three movies. I actually thought LoTR could have been six easily. Shit, I've long felt it could have been at least a full season or two on HBO. There's less shit that happens over a shorter period of time in fucking Game of Thrones, and they'll drag that crap out for 10 years at least. They dumped out eight Harry Potter movies, and the amount of stuff actually covered in the books is about the first 1/4 of Fellowship  But it depends on the story you want told on the screen. The epic world defining Father of RPGs movie is what Jackson has tried and I think could have been extended even more. But Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer could tell the entire LoTR trilogy in 90 minutes  |
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I agree with all of this. But... that is a nuance lost on the movie audience.
Hobbit movies are basically set in the same imagined world of LoTR for the audience of people who know the names but never read the books. And there's a lot of those people. LoTR is a slog, and while Hobbit is better, it's no Dan Brown or James Patterson. Short attention span theater still applies here.
Dude. LotR and the Hobbit are two of the most read books of all time. Patterson has sold 300 million books, across all his titles. Tolkien has sold close to 500 million and that is almost entirely LotR and the Hobbit... and that number is fuzzy because there was a copyright issue in the '60s and multiple publishers sold the book, not to mention a chunk of sales predated the modern sales record-keeping. Also, the number of resales through used book dealers. Sure, the movies are shooting for the non-book reading audience as well, but if there was ever an adaption that a good proportion of your audience is familiar with the source material it is a Tolkien adaption. The other obvious answer is Harry Potter, and of those films I saw they pretty slavishly stuck to the book and didn't make major changes... though I didn't see the later ones. Also, the Hobbit was written (and sold as) a children's book. It's really obvious if you look for it, in the way that there are action or menace pieces arranged like clockwork so that young readers don't get bored and wander off. You can't make a short attention span argument here as it was designed (and very successful!) to appeal to the shortest attention spans of them all. What it comes back to is that Jackson futzed around with stuff. That's fine, as long as it helps the adaption of the novel to film which entails different conventions. The Fellowship adaption was generally spot on in what got changed or omitted. The later LotR's movies to a lesser degree, and the Hobbit movies to a greater degree, make unnecessary changes that don't help the narrative and subtract from shit that book readers would enjoy without making it a better movie. Overall I was pretty disappointed with the first two Hobbit movies, which were redeemed solely for the great Gollum scene in the first and the Bilbo/Smaug scene in the second. |
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I am excited for this. It's not The Hobbit, the story told in the book of the same name, it's a movie about a series of events loosely based on those events and featuring the same characters. I will watch it and I will squee like a little girl continually. Afterwards I will note the many, many divergences from the version presented in the book and I won't let those affect my enjoyment of the film because they are not the same thing and it is possible to find mind-space for both simultaneously.
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Let me state for the records I don't care that the book and the film aren't the same. I'm good with that.
I care that the movies are CGI shit that went full pants-on-the-head camp and I just didn't enjoy the first one. I gave it a shot, it was awful with a few good scenes. No thanks, you can have my money via HBO and Netflix, not via the Theater.
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I'm ok with it, not enthusiasstic about it, mostly because of how little the camp/whimsy melded with the serious in the first two--it was often a very rough mix--and because the set pieces in both the first two movies were really way the fuck too much.
I'm mostly interested in what happens down in Dol Guldur, really. That's always fired my imagination since I was a kid and read the appendicies.
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They're not great, but I still like listening to Ian McKellen do the Gandalf voice. If I had my way, McKellen as Gandalf would narrate everything.
By mistake clicked this thread but Fuck You, Morgan Freeman will fulfill his destiny as the Narrator of All Life On Earth. |
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