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Reply #35 on: March 10, 2005, 07:52:52 AM

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Avoiding that sort of thing is why Trammel was born. You can't have it both ways.
I don't want a virtual world, I just want MMO Morrowind instead of MMO Diablo.

We already have that. It's called EQ1. There's an overarching story that is hidden so well, only 1% of the players ever have the perseverence to see it. There's tons of mobs you can bash over and over again to level up. There's quests everywhere, many of which have nothing to do with each other. There are long travel times full of nothing in between them (or there used to be before the Nexus and POK).

The only thing I know of that Morrowind had that EQ didn't was thieving.

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Reply #36 on: March 10, 2005, 10:46:45 AM

Give me multiple paths of advancement, quests that can be completed in more than one way, visual fluff to define my character, and a faction system with a little depth to it for starters.

I don't want a world so realistic that I get mugged and left in a gutter on the way to virtual work, but I do want a world that notices things I do and reacts in some fashion.  Is this too much to ask?

It shouldn't be too much to ask.  I also want choices and uniqueness, not to follow the same path everyone else has to get the same shiney item everyone else has.  Throw some CoH character creation into an AC1 type of skill progression (no skill trees), in a world more like Mythica was going to be where quests could be completed in different ways to get to the shiney (not just one where you do x and get y).  Add to it other ways to advance in MMO's besides just killing crap (why not advance by crafting or by solving a puzzle - at least try some of these types of quests) and at least some persistance where what you do has some small impact on the "world".  That is the game I would love to play someday!

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Reply #37 on: March 15, 2005, 10:01:41 AM

No word on Gordon yet, but this just popped up on the Dev Tracker...

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Announcements&message.id=492#M492

JustG wrote:

We would like to announce that Jon "Calandryll" Hanna has left our team and is moving back to the east coast to be closer to his family.  As a result of Jon’s departure Diane "Tiggs" Migliaccio has assumed the role of Director of Community Relations for Star Wars Galaxies.  We wish Jon well and congratulate Tiggs on her new role!


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Reply #38 on: March 15, 2005, 10:22:11 AM

I think Tiggs threatened to ban me once. Maybe I'm just getting her confused with someone else. I liked Calandryll. This is sad.

Tiggs has probably stepped into what is most likely a bigger shitstorm than the WoW community manager position. Best of luck, you'll need it.

Should I say something I know about Gordon here? I don't know. Maybe I should just make threatening faces to the devs so that they step up to the plate.
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Reply #39 on: March 15, 2005, 11:20:27 AM

Damn, Jonathan Hanna too?  Although they give a "family" excuse, I can't help but wonder if it's not people fleeing a sinking ship.

Strange they'd still not mention Gordon's departure, though.

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Reply #40 on: March 15, 2005, 11:21:41 AM

Damn, Jonathan Hanna too?  Although they give a "family" excuse, I can't help but wonder if it's not people fleeing a sinking ship.

It's not people fleeing a sinking ship.

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Strange they'd still not mention Gordon's departure, though.

No, it's not strange.
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Reply #41 on: March 15, 2005, 11:29:16 AM

Thank you, John Smedley.

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Reply #42 on: March 15, 2005, 11:30:52 AM

Thank you, John Smedley.

Look, jackass. Sony has enough money to simply not let any of it's ships sink. Particularly SOE given they're probably the only qualified people in the company that can run those MMORPGs. Also, it's not strange Gordon wasn't mentioned, simply because maybe it was a terrible split. Maybe no one wants to mention it. Bruce, if someone wanted to tell you, they would have.
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Reply #43 on: March 15, 2005, 01:14:29 PM


SOE posted at least 15 job openings on March 9th. Two positions they are promoting on the Planetside login are Designer for Planetside and Community Manager for Planetside and EQOA.
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Reply #44 on: March 15, 2005, 01:16:31 PM

Er, yeah, someone did tell me, so I guess they wanted to tell me.

Usually even in a terrible split, when the person is visible in the community and has a high position, it gets announced.  Not the details, of course; just that the person is no longer with the company if nothing else.

"Ships sinking" is a metaphor, and shouldn't be taken to literally.  Of course I don't think SWG is going to close down imminently.  However, I do think this is a sign that it's on the decline and good people aren't willing to or aren't being allowed to try to make it better.

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Reply #45 on: March 15, 2005, 01:21:50 PM

Didn't both of them just get put on the SWG team?

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Reply #46 on: March 15, 2005, 01:23:20 PM

Yes, they did.  Late last year I believe.

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Reply #47 on: March 15, 2005, 01:24:27 PM

Then I think we can officially measure the length of time a decent man will put up with being shackled to an albatross.

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Reply #48 on: March 15, 2005, 06:16:32 PM

I've spoken to Calandryll and I guess we're the first to have the news.

He's the director of Community Relations at Turbine. F13.net will have constant contact with Turbine Entertainment now.
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Reply #49 on: March 15, 2005, 06:18:38 PM

They are powered by fans you know.

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Reply #50 on: March 15, 2005, 06:22:05 PM

They are powered by fans you know.

That was terrible.
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Reply #51 on: March 15, 2005, 11:36:40 PM

I've spoken to Calandryll and I guess we're the first to have the news.

He's the director of Community Relations at Turbine. F13.net will have constant contact with Turbine Entertainment now.

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Reply #52 on: March 16, 2005, 12:04:28 AM

I've spoken to Calandryll and I guess we're the first to have the news.

He's the director of Community Relations at Turbine. F13.net will have constant contact with Turbine Entertainment now.

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Reply #53 on: March 16, 2005, 06:41:36 AM

I've spoken to Calandryll and I guess we're the first to have the news.

He's the director of Community Relations at Turbine. F13.net will have constant contact with Turbine Entertainment now.
Just give me a chance to get situated here. Between the move, getting to know all of the projects, and learning to drive in the snow again, I've got a lot on my plate. :)
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Reply #54 on: March 16, 2005, 06:57:06 AM

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Is the consensus that you can't?  I think that the problem is balancing open pvp is just too difficult for the current crop of devs.  At least I sure hope thats the problem.

The problem isn't the devs, it's the players. See my inner asshole post about open pvp

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Reply #55 on: March 16, 2005, 07:14:57 AM

I've spoken to Calandryll and I guess we're the first to have the news.

He's the director of Community Relations at Turbine. F13.net will have constant contact with Turbine Entertainment now.
Just give me a chance to get situated here. Between the move, getting to know all of the projects, and learning to drive in the snow again, I've got a lot on my plate. :)

I am jealous, I want snow!

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Reply #56 on: March 16, 2005, 08:01:49 AM

NO SNOW!  No more snow, please God, no more snow....

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Reply #57 on: March 16, 2005, 08:52:17 AM

I've spoken to Calandryll and I guess we're the first to have the news.

He's the director of Community Relations at Turbine. F13.net will have constant contact with Turbine Entertainment now.
Just give me a chance to get situated here. Between the move, getting to know all of the projects, and learning to drive in the snow again, I've got a lot on my plate. :)

You will, of course, give us all the free betas on Dungeons and Dragons Online that you can. The power of Christ compels you.

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Reply #58 on: March 16, 2005, 09:15:00 AM

Give me the Wand of Orcus now, please.

I have never played WoW.
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Reply #59 on: March 16, 2005, 10:31:04 AM

I've spoken to Calandryll and I guess we're the first to have the news.

He's the director of Community Relations at Turbine. F13.net will have constant contact with Turbine Entertainment now.
Just give me a chance to get situated here. Between the move, getting to know all of the projects, and learning to drive in the snow again, I've got a lot on my plate. :)

You will, of course, give us all the free betas on Dungeons and Dragons Online that you can. The power of Christ compels you.
I kinda figured I had no choice in that matter. :)
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Reply #60 on: March 16, 2005, 10:52:10 AM

Hmmm....seems like a big risk giving people here a free beta...

If even cynical, jaded  bastards like us like your game, then it should probably do well.

If it's a bomb, well....Negative reviews from a visible site are never good.

Regardless...

Yes Please, I'll take a free DDO Beta Pass....and also a MEO pass as well.

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Reply #61 on: March 16, 2005, 11:00:29 AM

I'll test anything for a while, and I'll become a glowing fanboi if I like it. If I hate it, I'll spew piss and vinegar.

As for Haemish, if his reviews are indications he wants a sign pointing to the fun. Please add this to the game.

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Reply #62 on: March 16, 2005, 11:12:08 AM

And just so we don't forget our past, right next to the sign for fun, put a sign that says "Monsters" on it with a big arrow. Because one can never have enough patronizing signage in an MMOG.  evil

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Reply #63 on: March 16, 2005, 11:22:52 AM

And just so we don't forget our past, right next to the sign for fun, put a sign that says "Monsters" on it with a big arrow. Because one can never have enough patronizing signage in an MMOG.  evil

If you take Haemish's good advice, you may as well rename it, "The Fable of Horizons".

I hope you're writing all this down.

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Reply #64 on: March 16, 2005, 12:32:32 PM

Hmmm....seems like a big risk giving people here a free beta...

If even cynical, jaded  bastards like us like your game, then it should probably do well.

If it's a bomb, well....Negative reviews from a visible site are never good.

Regardless...

Yes Please, I'll take a free DDO Beta Pass....and also a MEO pass as well.
Well I am not promising anything. Besides, that's what NDAs are for!

Seriously, reviews will come eventually no matter what. Personally, I'd rather hear from the cynics than the fanboys anyway.
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Reply #65 on: March 16, 2005, 01:31:05 PM

I only charge $5 for emails saying that your game sucks.

I have never played WoW.
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Reply #66 on: March 16, 2005, 02:34:36 PM

Good luck in your new place, Cal. Glad you are working on something that still has a chance to not suck.

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Reply #67 on: March 16, 2005, 02:42:27 PM

I'm far more interested in DDO than MEO, myself, but I'd certainly like to try them both out. :)

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Reply #68 on: March 16, 2005, 02:56:19 PM

I'm far more interesting in DDO than MEO, myself, but I'd certainly like to try them both out. :)

Bruce


Oddly I have little interest in MEO myself. DDO I'd give a shot. Well..MEO if it was free, who am I kidding?

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