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on: March 27, 2014, 03:25:53 AM

Any thoughts so far?  I rolled one tonight and have had a bit of fun with it.  Only midway through Act 1 on hard, lvl 16, but so far I haven't even thought of using a health pot.  Very tanky with some effective CC.

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Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 03:26:25 AM

I like the animations.

It's not a Wizard though.
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Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 05:01:49 AM

I think the primary attacks kinda blow.  Two ranged attacks and Two smashy attacks and only one of them procs the shield.

It's kinda annoying.

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Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 05:42:29 AM

I'm levelling one purely in Adventure Mode. 22-ish so far. Very tanky and starting to get some decent AOE type attacks. The death from above thingy is fun.

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Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 05:44:56 AM

Same-o. Pretty unimpressed with the damage output but that leap-smash makes up for it.

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Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 11:28:21 AM

I saw a tooltip that said they do not get the 30% damage reduction that barbs and monks do. Why they are considered a ranged character instead of tanky melee, I do not know. Word is they may be squishy at 70 though.
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Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 12:25:06 PM

Got one to the 50s, not sure I will bother getting him to 70 anytime soon, but fun ride so far.

Rolling with all the Big Boom skills atm, condemn, falling sword, & ion cannon. Works fairly well. Just press all three and basically anything not a super unique is dead.
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Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 01:01:20 PM

I was running a build like Ragnoros while leveling early on. It was something like this, and I had found a neck with a Vortex+Snare effect and a weapon that created 2 additional Rays for a 5-ray light show. It works fine in lower difficulties and mid levels. At high levels, it just doesn't work. It seems like after 60 they're just not in a good place right now. The dps is really low and to reach that dps point when it isn't shit then their defense turns to paper and they die really fast.

Oddly enough, the best build I've found is a defensive one focused on thorns, but make sure to bring a Wizardbutton spamming monkey with godmode activated so you don't fall asleep on shitty bosses like the Skeleton King where thorn builds take 10mins to kill him. Wizards will get to enjoy the lack of need to kite and +80% crit chance buff for 6s every 20s. Or just re-do your build for bosses and suffer against shamans/mallet lords.


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Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 07:58:46 PM

Fun build with the Thorns.

I think you can run a lot of different defensive builds.  Best build I found is to just maximize Blessed Hammer.

You HAVE to have Judgement/Resolved.  80% to Crit a huge group and immobilize them for 6s is NUTS.
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Reply #9 on: March 28, 2014, 03:16:43 AM

I'm also running a ranged build similar to yours Ragnaros. Level 45 atm, and doing the whole socketed weapon with a high level ruby in it thing. Shit melts.

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Reply #10 on: March 28, 2014, 03:18:04 AM

Socketing a thorns gem in may actually be even more absurd by the way.

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Reply #11 on: March 28, 2014, 03:42:57 AM

At level 40 I got to equip a level 60 legendary 2h axe and some pox faluds (you know, the fart pants). For about ten glorious levels, my method was "air drop into a pack, pick up loot." Didn't even have to swing my weapon unless it was an elite pack.  why so serious?

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Reply #12 on: March 28, 2014, 07:26:51 AM

My wizard wore the Stinky Britches for about 30 levels. Best trousers ever.  Heart

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Reply #13 on: March 28, 2014, 07:41:13 AM

I love that the effect icon for them is a skunk.
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Reply #14 on: March 28, 2014, 11:21:59 PM

Reflective Skin/Thorns build hotfixed, something about killing Ghom on t6 in 3 seconds was broken. Of course, this happens right after I find a weapon named Hack with a socket and good stats that applies 90%+ of thorns on every attack and socket it with a royal level thorns gem -_-

Really though, this class is still severely lacking in comparison. They can survive things but do little to no damage (outside of their burst every 30-40seconds). So they're essentially a buffer/debuffer for other classes at this point. Which is kind of alright, but the costs are too high, durations too short, and/or cooldowns are still too long to be really useful. I have found another build that does good dps, but feels a little bit lacking in survivability (even with 9mil toughness) on t1/t2

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader#UedfOQ!Ugia!aZYbYb

Spam hammers and cooldowns when they're up. Try to combine Judgement + LoValor with Bombardment. Blessed Hammers seem to hit enough if you keep mobs close



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Reply #15 on: March 29, 2014, 04:54:35 AM

Socketing a thorns gem in may actually be even more absurd by the way.

I can confirm that this is indeed hilarious  awesome, for real

Got my Crusader to 56 and am starting to feel the low DPS that's been mentioned. Just levelling in Adventure Mode and had to drop down to Normal because it was feeling like this:

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Reply #16 on: March 29, 2014, 09:23:51 PM

Crusader is the new wizard.

Buddy I play with is already at 12M toughness / 600k dps.

Time to start one of my own.
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Reply #17 on: March 29, 2014, 09:27:35 PM

That's amazing can you link his profile?
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Reply #18 on: March 30, 2014, 12:55:22 AM

Crusader is the new wizard.

Buddy I play with is already at 12M toughness / 600k dps.

Time to start one of my own.
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Reply #19 on: March 30, 2014, 02:40:12 AM

Crusader is the new wizard.

Buddy I play with is already at 12M toughness / 600k dps.

Time to start one of my own.
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Reply #20 on: March 30, 2014, 07:01:16 AM

For reference: wizards are hitting 2 million dps now on their paper doll. 

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Reply #21 on: March 30, 2014, 09:29:17 AM

For reference: wizards are hitting 2 million dps now on their paper doll. 

For context, that does not include all the +% on their gear.
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Reply #22 on: March 30, 2014, 10:05:32 AM

Sheesh, i thought my wizard was baller at 350k.

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Reply #23 on: March 30, 2014, 10:23:30 AM

How on earth is two million even possible.  I'm still wearing multiple level 60 items, because the level 70 drops I've been seeing are so terrible.

Hell, I never broke 100k at level 60.
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Reply #24 on: March 30, 2014, 10:53:45 AM

All I know is that I can kill shit on my wizard very fast. I'm talking 100 million hp mobs in just a hair over 20 seconds. I've seen other wizards recently that just make my dps look pathetic.

Also what is this paper doll that was mentioned?

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Reply #25 on: March 30, 2014, 11:24:08 AM

The guy I saw link his profile on Reddit has changed since last night, so it was apparently a gimmick thing.   He's "Only" 1.1 million now.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Weily-1945/hero/778135

Hell, my Monk has crappy weapons and no set pieces yet and is at 200k.  300k 'at the top' is no big shits for Crusaders and says they're kind of weak unless they're playing "Taunt all the things."

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Reply #26 on: March 30, 2014, 11:31:32 AM

The guy I saw link his profile on Reddit has changed since last night, so it was apparently a gimmick thing.   He's "Only" 1.1 million now.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Weily-1945/hero/778135

Hell, my Monk has crappy weapons and no set pieces yet and is at 200k.  300k 'at the top' is no big shits for Crusaders and says they're kind of weak unless they're playing "Taunt all the things."
That guy isn't even capped out and doesn't even have the best gear. There's an issue right now though with one of the best sets, the shield in the Hallowed set is rolling at level 60 instead of 70. So no one is making the set despite it being UNBELIEVABLY GOOD.
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Reply #27 on: March 30, 2014, 11:24:04 PM

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Reply #28 on: March 31, 2014, 03:13:20 AM

I'm finding that Condemn is now no longer doing the same damage.  Or, in fact, hurting much of fuck all.  Seemed to happen once I hit the high levels.  I'm now 64 and, frankly, if it continues like this it's getting rotated out.  I can understand it not just killing things at this high level (despite my huge dps) but I can't understand it not even budging the health bars at all.

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Reply #29 on: March 31, 2014, 06:34:37 AM

Yeah... got my Crusader to 70. Put a couple of legendaries on, tooled around a bit. Went back to my Wizard. Wiz is tankier and more DPSy.

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Reply #30 on: March 31, 2014, 11:13:38 AM

Only thing that's made the Crusader viable for me is 1) playing it on Normal with my son (he's 10, so he wants to explode things not hack away at them. I'm good with that.)  2) Giving him a +260 damage gemmed weapon. It's HILARIOUS.  3) ION CANNON - PPPEWWWWW

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Reply #31 on: March 31, 2014, 12:07:18 PM

Yeah... got my Crusader to 70. Put a couple of legendaries on, tooled around a bit. Went back to my Wizard. Wiz is tankier and more DPSy.

This is sort of the spot I'm at too. I got my Barb to 70 first in RoS and felt pretty useless in groups compared to ranged classes, existing seemingly only to buff their damage and keep enemies roughly in place. My crusader hit 70 this weekend and after collecting some average 70 gear I find myself in the same position. You end up investing so much of your gear into defensive stats just to be able to survive melee range that your DPS is shit compared to classes that don't have to worry about it.

Acting as the buff bitch for your group and keeping everything in place might seem like a perfectly functional role until you remember that the ranged classes have plenty of CC/clumping abilities on their own and they'd still probably be better off bringing another Wiz instead of a Barb/Crusader/Monk. I realized just how little I was bringing to the table when I played in a 4-ranged T2 group (ranged crusader build just to survive at the time) and they were able to just chew through everything without the benefit (or dead weight) of a tanky class.
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Reply #32 on: March 31, 2014, 12:28:54 PM

Wizards are the tank class.
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Reply #33 on: March 31, 2014, 12:37:59 PM

Return of the tank mage! awesome, for real
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Reply #34 on: March 31, 2014, 01:19:37 PM

Got her to 70 last night  http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Flaffy-1442/hero/44205085  Edit:  The +Int on the mace was modded to +1k strength instead, but it doesn't show.

It was definitely a slog in the upper 50s, and again in the upper 60s.  I had to drop from Inferno to, uh, whatever's two notches below Inferno for much of those levels.  Wound up having to grind from mid-68 to 70 before hitting Malthael.

Part of that is that my gear is definitely sub-optimal.  It's not hard to gear for tankiness, or to gear for dps, but putting both together at the same time is proving to be troublesome.  The wizard still just tanks better.  As an example, both of them hit the enrage timer on the Butcher, but the wizard just stands in the fire blasting away.  The crusader can't come close to doing that (although using that shitty Andariel's helm isn't helping that...)

My single-target DPS sucks.  I find myself using Holy Bolt for the healing while waiting on cooldowns since I can't for the life of me seem to get any +life on hit on gear.  I like the shield proc effect, but the short range attack is just impractical for all the mobs that won't fucking sit still or come in close enough to hit.

DPS vs packs isn't bad.  Instant-cast condemn & the flail attack with the +80% crit effect are good at clearing packs of white mobs, and I loooove the orbital laser.  I need a lvl 70 version of the shield that reduces the cooldown by half, that thing is awesome.  Or a shitload of cooldown reducing stat on everything.
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