NFL 2014

[veredus]

Don't get me wrong, Wilson is good. But let's not put it ALL on him.

True, the entire Hawks offense finally remembered how to play football.

[Paelos]

Wilson's fine for that team's build, but he was garbage for that game and deserved to lose. His QB rating was 7.0 late in the 4th quarter. Single digits.

The fact he won had everything to do with Marshawn Lynch, his punter throwing a TD, a botched onside kick recovery, and his defense playing their nuts off for the second half.

[veredus]

I agree he was garbage until the last half of the 4th quarter. But the most infuriating thing about it was how out of character for him that performance was. But again he and the rest of the offense figured their shit out at the end and we get one more game this year.

[Paelos]

I agree he was garbage until the last half of the 4th quarter. But the most infuriating thing about it was how out of character for him that performance was. But again he and the rest of the offense figured their shit out at the end and we get one more game this year.

Don't disagree. I think if you face the Patriots, which it looks like you will, it'll be top 5 offense against number one defense. I've seen that show before. I think it's almost a lock for Seattle to win unless Wilson throws 3+ more picks.

But eventually they have to start paying people, and cap structures will be interesting.

[Shannow]

Luck is 9 of 28 

[Mithas]

Better than Russell Wilson.

[Shannow]

Just how fucking bad were the Broncos and Bengals?

[Mithas]

The AFC was pretty much garbage this year. Broncos were really good to start the season and the Patriots came on late. Everyone else was mediocre at best.

[Malakili]

Seattle played just about as bad as they could play and managed to squeak it out.  If they show up like they did last year for the Super Bowl I have to think they have the upper hand.  I expect a good game, probably fairly low scoring, maybe a 17-14 type of deal.

[Mithas]

This is the worst matchup I could have imagined. This will be the first Super Bowl in a long time that I won't watch. Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich.

[Malakili]

This is the worst matchup I could have imagined. This will be the first Super Bowl in a long time that I won't watch. Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich.

It's the two best teams.  Should be a great game and fun to watch. 

[Mithas]

This is the worst matchup I could have imagined. This will be the first Super Bowl in a long time that I won't watch. Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich.

It's the two best teams.  Should be a great game and fun to watch. 

I admit I'm a little bitter, but I just can't muster a fuck about it.

[HaemishM]

Just how fucking bad were the Broncos and Bengals?

The Bengals were hot garbage on a stick. The Broncos were propped up by Peyton Manning until his arm fell off.

I also cannot muster a fuck about the Super Bowl with these two teams.

[Malakili]

On a side note, the last two times the Patriots went out in the Playoffs before this their star corner (Talib at the time) went out with an injury early in the game they lost to get knocked out.  I really felt like that made a huge difference in the outcome of those games.  Revis looked like he may have gotten injured early on, but it turned out he was fine, and he played a big part in totally shutting the Colts down.

[Paelos]

Drew Magary said it best. http://deadspin.com/this-has-been-the-worst-season-in-nfl-history-1672165851

[WayAbvPar]

I give no fucks. I am shitfaced and my team gets to play in the Super Bowl.

[Paelos]

Doug Baldwin is a fucking idiot. Nobody believed in us? Are you fucking high, Doug? You were an 8 point favorite and the consensus pick at the beginning of the playoffs to be in the Super Bowl.

God I hate some of Seattle's players. The team is great.

[Malakili]

You see that sort of attitude all the time, most people just aren't stupid enough to go off about it in an interview.  It's the oldest trick in the motivation book, NOBODY BELIEVES IN YOU, YOU GO OUT THERE AND SHOW THEM!  And players buy into it.

[01101010]

You see that sort of attitude all the time, most people just aren't stupid enough to go off about it in an interview.  It's the oldest trick in the motivation book, NOBODY BELIEVES IN YOU, YOU GO OUT THERE AND SHOW THEM!  And players buy into it.

That and God somehow cared enough about a football game to grant the prayers of one side over the other.

[Rasix]

The weepy Jesus shit was a bit much.  Thanks Seattle for confusing the shit out of my son.  

[Paelos]

I can't wait until they overpay the hell out of Wilson. Can't wait. It will be like a giant money bomb doing off on the team's cap. Much like Kaep.

[Malakili]

I can't wait until they overpay the hell out of Wilson. Can't wait. It will be like a giant money bomb doing off on the team's cap. Much like Kaep.

Yeah, a ton of this team's success is owed to the fact that Wilson is paid in peanuts. Wilson is, I think a fine franchise QB.  But he isn't worth the absurd contract he will no doubt get.  But then... someone is going to pay him that much if the Seahawks don't, so they don't have much a choice.  QBs are a bit overhyped, but you still need a good one, and there just aren't a lot of good ones around.  It's a seller's market.

[Rasix]

Jay Cutler was the highest paid offensive player in 2014.  Wilson's value is pretty much whatever his agent wants it to be.  In this market, I don't think you can get better. 

They seem to draft really well, perhaps they can ride this out a few more seasons before the defensive stars contracts come into play.  

[Paelos]

My guess is Wilson will pull down $22M+ a year, probably 6-7 years. It will blow everything else away. It will also likely be structured so a huge portion of it is guaranteed in the $60-70M range so they can shift the salary portion to the back, and his cap hit is about $13M in the first year.

Which is dumb as fuck because he's attempted 130 less passes than guys at the bottom of the top 10 in attempts. His y/g impact this year was 23rd in the league. Yet you'll be paying him more than guys like Rodgers and Brady who are literally the only reason their teams are winning anything at all. OK. Makes sense.

[HaemishM]

I think there's a ticking time bomb in the NFL with the salary cap and we've already seen it play out a few times. That QB money is just going to fucking RAPE teams. Baltimore wins a Super Bowl, gives Flacco stupid money and shits the bed the next season. It took them to luck out in a shitty AFC to get back to the playoffs (and to give them credit, they did a lot better than I thought they would). Unfortunately, next year Forsett's going to want to get paid (and deserves it), Steve Smith will be another year older and they don't really have a lot beyond that.

Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson are both about to get paid stupid money. At least Seattle has a good team around Wilson but you know they are likely to lose Lynch next season to cap issues and the Legion of Boom isn't going to be together forever either. Indy is going to be in even worse shape because they got NOTHING beyond Luck, Hilton and Robert Mathis. They need serious upgrades on defense and a fucking running back who gets at least 4.5 yards a carry AND doesn't drop the ball in a strong breeze. They are going to run into the same issues they had with Peyton's last years but a lot sooner - they'll be Andrew Luck and the also-rans and Luck isn't enough by himself to win a Super Bowl. Carolina is about to be in the same boat only even worse off than Indy.

Lucky for the rest of the NFL that most of the QB's that have been drafted to start in the last few years have sucked so mightily. Once Peyton and Brady retire in 3-4 years (or maybe sooner), the only elite QB's that the NFL can marquee are going to be Rodgers (who will be looking at the downslope of his career) and Luck. Wilson will have been exposed by a inferior team, Newton will still be Newton and Jameis Winston will probably have raped 3 women by then, probably while getting his windshield wiped by Johnny Manziel on the side of the highway. The NFL product is going to start SUCKING major ass if they don't fix a lot of things that they likely have no concept how to fix because MONEY!!!!

[Paelos]

The fix is to increase the cap to $180M a year, with a rule about maximum percentages of contracts in cap value. But good luck getting the owners to sign off on that shit.

[Malakili]

Are there just not 32 human beings on Earth capable of being competent NFL QB?

[HaemishM]

No.

[Malakili]

Are there 5?

[Paelos]

Are there 5?

Yes, but they are aging fast.

[HaemishM]

I'd say there's probably 12-15 if I had to guess.

Elite-Build-A-Team-Around-Them
Brady
P. Manning
Rodgers
Brees

Good Enough to Win A Super Bowl With On A Good Team
Wilson
Luck (probably worth the Elite tag but hasn't proven it yet)
River (see Andrew Luck above)
Eli Manning
Rothliesberger
Romo
Foles
Palmer
Ryan
Alex Smith

Good But Often Makes Really Bad Decisions And Beat Themselves
Flacco
Kaep
Cutler
Newton
Stafford

Everybody Else is Barely Competent or Hot Garbage

[Nebu]

Everybody Else is Barely Competent or Hot Garbage

#Bringbackvinny2015

[Malakili]

So, in all seriousness, what's the problem?  Is the position just so difficult you aren't getting enough people capable of playing it, or are we doing a bad job training QBs? 

[01101010]

So, in all seriousness, what's the problem?  Is the position just so difficult you aren't getting enough people capable of playing it, or are we doing a bad job training QBs? 

College offenses - few are pro-style.

[Ingmar]

I don't know how much of an impact this really has, but between the NFL's non-guaranteed salaries and injury problems, if you were a world-class athlete, wouldn't you pick baseball or basketball instead?