Nextbox infinity anticipation station

[satael]

“The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.” 

[luckton]

“The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.” 

Please tell me this should be on the Onion.  If not, shut this thread down now.  We're done here.

[Merusk]

It's not, but as I posted on Lum's Facebook this is the "red light camera" for the FBI warnings about public showings.  The law is there and has been there forever, this is just a tool to enforce it.

My position remains it's dumb to have an always-on appliance with a camera controlled by an ever-changing TOU policy that the corp can change to "We are allowed to broadcast you naked" and brick your machine if you choose to say, "uh, no."

[satael]

“The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.”  

Please tell me this should be on the Onion.  If not, shut this thread down now.  We're done here.

It's not really Onion since United States Patent Application 094444

edit: and this isn't really anything new (patent filed 2 years ago) but the focus of xbox one on tv makes it if not necessarily relevant then atleast somewhat interesting

[Fabricated]

Have you guys seen the patents for ads where you have to stand up and say the brand name to the TV or physically interact with the ad to proceed? Yeah.

Also the more hardcore tech sites have gotten their hands on units and nailed down specs for the PS4 and as it turns out that while they both use basically the same architecture, the PS4's choice to pick GDDR5 RAM instead of DDR3+32MB of Integrated RAM as well as marginally higher spec GPU means that the PS4 is flat out better and it will take pretty much no effort on the part of devs to use it.

Basically, even if they don't do some extra optimization to take advantage of the PS4's extra shaders and wider memory bus provided the game's framerates aren't locked the PS4 will likely always pull higher/more stable FPS. Nice.

[01101010]

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/23/4358396/xbox-one-and-ps4-are-a-generation-ahead-of-the-best-pc-says-ea-cto

The new console generation led by Microsoft's Xbox One and Sony's PlayStation 4 are ahead of the highest end PC on the market, according to EA CTO Rajat Teneja in a post written on LinkedIn.

Well I am convinced. 

[Tebonas]

Years ahead in User suppression technologies Digital Rights management capabilites, definitely.

[KallDrexx]

Have you guys seen the patents for ads where you have to stand up and say the brand name to the TV or physically interact with the ad to proceed? Yeah.

My company's videos have started having 30 second advertisements where you have to type in a random phrase in order to skip it.  I'ts *extremely* fucking annoying, more annoying when I'm trying to debug something.

[Paelos]

It's not, but as I posted on Lum's Facebook this is the "red light camera" for the FBI warnings about public showings.  The law is there and has been there forever, this is just a tool to enforce it.

My position remains it's dumb to have an always-on appliance with a camera controlled by an ever-changing TOU policy that the corp can change to "We are allowed to broadcast you naked" and brick your machine if you choose to say, "uh, no."

Treating your customers as potential criminals has never gone over well. It won't in this case either.

[Jeff Kelly]

No, the first HD porn was on HD-DVD. Even porn couldn't help it, it was that great of a fail

[Jeff Kelly]

Why is a company that operates globally and makes most of its profits from global sales still so fucking US focused?

Most of the non-game features won't work outside of the US. The always on camera and microphone might even mean that they won't be able to sell it in some markets for legal reasons.

Their DRM breaks first sale and ownership laws in most of the EU and their camera, microphone and data collection reqs break privacy and data protection laws for example, while none of the TV and streaming features will work at launch (or if the 360 is any indication, ever).

This is a device that is essentially tailored completely to the US. The services are built for the US cable and broadcast landscape, the DRM and kinect user surveillance features are tailored to US privacy and copyright laws and nothing else.

Most of it will get shot down in other jurisdictions or simply won't be supported/work for years if ever outside the US.

[Merusk]

It's not, but as I posted on Lum's Facebook this is the "red light camera" for the FBI warnings about public showings.  The law is there and has been there forever, this is just a tool to enforce it.

My position remains it's dumb to have an always-on appliance with a camera controlled by an ever-changing TOU policy that the corp can change to "We are allowed to broadcast you naked" and brick your machine if you choose to say, "uh, no."

Treating your customers as potential criminals has never gone over well. It won't in this case either.

I am in complete agreement with you.  However, in the Digital age corporations apparently only see customers as 1) Criminals 2) Data to be sold to other corporations.

Our purchasing power and ability to vote with our wallets is reduced at the same time we're gutting government's ability to protect our rights, too.  Plus with every company willing to pile on this bandwagon and the high cost of entry to the market, your only real choice is to not buy these things.  

We've seen how restrained the population is on that front.  I'm the retarded outlier who gets mocked for not owning a smart phone because I don't want to be a data point for Google or Apple.

Ed: Oh, I'm also against innovation and tech because I want to own a physical product or digital copy instead of just having a digital library I can access 'via the cloud.'  AKA: I have no rights of resale, access if I piss off the corporate owner, or way to be recompensated for removal of my legally-purchased product.  It's not at all that the consequences of the above are that even ownership is a less-tangible concept, subject to who has the biggest legal fund. 

[Jeff Kelly]

With XBox One or Google glass you'll potentially be a data point for those corporation even if you don't own any of those devices. You just need to know or hang out with people who do.

[Merusk]

Which, hey, I don't. 

[Jeff Kelly]

Today, yes. You might need to adjust your pool of people you hang out with in the future if those devices get popular.   

[Paelos]

Our purchasing power and ability to vote with our wallets is reduced at the same time we're gutting government's ability to protect our rights, too.  Plus with every company willing to pile on this bandwagon and the high cost of entry to the market, your only real choice is to not buy these things.  

You are underestimating this. Many of these game companies are so currently tightly on margin that even a 5% sales drop would be crippling to their bottom line. There are exceptions, ATVI being one, but for EA, Sony, Squeenix, and the like? They have been losing money up until this 12 month period, and for the most part a 5% revenue shift would send them all into the red.

[Merusk]

Today, yes. You might need to adjust your pool of people you hang out with in the future if those devices get popular.   

Considering the reaction from the non-tech public - which is who I hang with if I hang - I'm not concerned.   Most folks seem to think the GG is a very dumb looking piece of hardware that will get in the way. XB1 isn't a concern.

Our purchasing power and ability to vote with our wallets is reduced at the same time we're gutting government's ability to protect our rights, too.  Plus with every company willing to pile on this bandwagon and the high cost of entry to the market, your only real choice is to not buy these things. 

You are underestimating this. Many of these game companies are so currently tightly on margin that even a 5% sales drop would be crippling to their bottom line. There are exceptions, ATVI being one, but for EA, Sony, Squeenix, and the like? They have been losing money up until this 12 month period, and for the most part a 5% revenue shift would send them all into the red.

No, I underestimate people's willingness to educate themselves and therefore boycott bad businesses. Not that these companies are hanging-on by a razor margin that makes dumb moves like this look good.

[Sky]

 Most folks seem to think the GG is a very dumb looking piece of hardware that will get in the way.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/486603

[HaemishM]

“The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.” 

Yep, that seals the deal. Fuck you, Microsoft. Only money you'll get from me is for Windows.

[Paelos]

No, I underestimate people's willingness to educate themselves and therefore boycott bad businesses. Not that these companies are hanging-on by a razor margin that makes dumb moves like this look good.

I don't even think you have to educate yourself about these decisions by MS. They are so out in the open that I don't think they can hide behind PR spin.

[Fabricated]

Ben Kuchera everybody!

I'm just kidding please don't click that link. It's a bad thing that I actually read anything he wrote.

This is good news for a few reasons. The first is that piracy will likely be reduced. If the system phones home every so often to check on your licenses, and there is no way to play a game without that title being authenticated and a license being active, piracy becomes harder. You'll never be able to stop pirates, not entirely, but if you can make the act of pirating games non-trivial the incidence of piracy will drop. This is a good thing for everyone except those who want to play games for free.

So piracy reduction, although not elimination, will likely be a solid byproduct of this system.

The next thing is that the used-game market all but disappears. GameStop may not be able to aggressively hawk used games for $5 less than the new price to customers under these new controls, which is great if you're a developer or publisher.

It needs to be made clear, if all the studio closings and constant lay-offs haven't made this explicit: The current economics of game development and sales are unsustainable. Games cost more to make, piracy is an issue, used-games are pushed over new, and players say the $60 cost is too high. Microsoft's initiatives with the Xbox One may solve many of these issues, even if we grumble about it. These changes ultimately make the industry healthier.

Games journalism folks.

[Mithas]

He is what is wrong with gaming. Not the publishers, not the manufacturers, not the designers. This dipshit is feeding the stupid decisions.

[koro]

Games journalism folks.

Games journalism indeed:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-gaming/

If it’s possible to create a superpowered game box, why hasn’t anyone been able to do it successfully for almost a decade? Why did Nintendo quit, why is Sony hemorrhaging cash and why is Microsoft putting all of its effort into pitching Xbox One as a TV-enhancement device? Ben Cousins thinks he’s figured it out: because the console is dead, a sentiment with which I would strongly agree.

All indications are that the math is not working out on this deal anymore, and has not for a long time. It’s looking more and more likely that what the gaming-only crowd wants is, as a financial matter, simply impossible. There may be no way to make money selling a bleeding-edge $500 games-only box with $60 games anymore. The expense of producing it all may be well out of whack with what players are willing to spend to get it.

[Merusk]

The amusing part is I told my parents-of-teenage-kids friends and they were appalled they wouldn't be able to trade-in games anymore.  They liked not having the games sitting around the house and that it gave the kids a way to recoup some of the cost of things they didn't want to play.  Almost as if there were a service being provided for a desired good.

 

[Ingmar]

Games journalism folks.

Op/ed stuff isn't really journalism in the sense that most of us mean when we bitch about games journalism being terrible, I don't think. At least not for me. I expect op/ed stuff to be stupid everywhere.

[Miasma]

Ben Kuchera everybody!

I'm just kidding please don't click that link. It's a bad thing that I actually read anything he wrote.

This is good news for a few reasons. The first is that piracy will likely be reduced. If the system phones home every so often to check on your licenses, and there is no way to play a game without that title being authenticated and a license being active, piracy becomes harder. You'll never be able to stop pirates, not entirely, but if you can make the act of pirating games non-trivial the incidence of piracy will drop. This is a good thing for everyone except those who want to play games for free.

So piracy reduction, although not elimination, will likely be a solid byproduct of this system.

The next thing is that the used-game market all but disappears. GameStop may not be able to aggressively hawk used games for $5 less than the new price to customers under these new controls, which is great if you're a developer or publisher.

It needs to be made clear, if all the studio closings and constant lay-offs haven't made this explicit: The current economics of game development and sales are unsustainable. Games cost more to make, piracy is an issue, used-games are pushed over new, and players say the $60 cost is too high. Microsoft's initiatives with the Xbox One may solve many of these issues, even if we grumble about it. These changes ultimately make the industry healthier.

Games journalism folks.

Did they ever manage to crack the ps3 or is that still not possible to pirate games on?

[Fabricated]

The PS3 has been cracked so wide open Sony literally can never close it for all devices manufactured in the entire lifetime of the system. All models. Chinese hackers got ahold of what is basically the universal content code, and another group released it publicly to prevent them from being the only people with it.

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/10/25/sony-ps3-hacked-for-good-master-keys-revealed/

[luckton]

Thus why they had to give up their awesome-o core processor that was supposed to be future proof for the next, what, 20-30 years or some shit?   

[Trippy]

It did take a while to crack, though. Sony is very experienced with this sort of stuff.

[Phred]

Thus why they had to give up their awesome-o core processor that was supposed to be future proof for the next, what, 20-30 years or some shit?   

Those 2 issues are not related.

[Sky]

I think Gabe Newell has already solved the problem of piracy. He gives demonstrations at least twice a year. And has DRM everyone likes (well, except sinij).

[Soln]

In the new grimdark present, any digital content you buy is not your sole property.  You're only renting it until you either try to 1) sell it, 2) share it, or 3) gift it as a legacy once you're dead.   I think this is honestly the case.  It's why I still buy physical books.

[Jeff Kelly]

That Patent application is scary stuff.

[Ingmar]

I should patent putting a Post-It note over the sensor.

[Jeff Kelly]

The whole box won't work if Kinect is disabled. So you either accept that MS will see you through the camera or you have a non-functioning console (or you simply won't buy such crap)