The Wolverine

[Evildrider]

I also saw in an interview where Jackson got a bunch of diet and workout tips from the Rock.

[Ironwood]

Agreed - there are a few plot issues, and a few clichés - but this is the best movie set in that universe so far. 

Saw this yesterday and, surprise, had not really much bad to say about it.  I enjoyed the heck out of it and the plot stuff was 'comic book holes' which could not only be forgiven but cheekily celebrated.  Jackmans hair wasn't quite right throughout, but this managed to wash the stink of Origins out of my clothes.  Indeed, it's kinda what Origins SHOULD have been.

It also proves that if you want to do a Wolverine film, up the Age Certification.  Chucking the bloke out of the window was pure Logan, as was the bullet train deaths.

[jgsugden]

The odd thing for me:

Comics, for the last 30 years, have been written for older teens and adults.  They’ve moved from melodrama to drama.  The best stories use brutality and violence significantly, rather than blasting it at us repeatedly and making it white noise.   They tell stories where characters are changed by their experiences.  They deal with difficult issues.

However, when we translate these comics to TV and movies, most of the efforts in the 80s, 90s and 00s ignore the maturity of the comics.  They target young teens and kids with stories that have no depth, violence with no impact, and a complete lack of respect for the things that made the characters great over the past 30 years.

When we get a Dark Knight, an Iron Man, or an Avengers that attempts to treat the situation with due respect, they’re usually successful.  I don’t get why we don’t see an animated Avengers series that has the depth of the movie, a Fantastic Four movie with real family relationship issues, or an X-men movie that really gets at the heart of hate.

[SurfD]

Most likely because of the medium.  Especially for your X-Men example.  While a serious X-Men cartoon that really gets into the issues that the series has traditionally been about would be cool, the fact that wanker parrent X who uses the tube for a babysitter might stick 5-6 year old Billy down to accidently tune into it and be confused by these issues presented probably wouldnt scan well.  It is one thing to go to the local comic book shop and pick up your latest Avengers, since chances are you know what kind of stuff you are buying before you even open the door.  It is another completely to know billy might accidently tune in to Tony Stark putting a drunken beatdown on some third rate supervillian, or Hank Pim abusing his wife.

[MahrinSkel]

Before the Comics Code became a dead letter, before South Park, Simpsons, Family Guy, that was a better argument.  Now?  Otaku think everything that isn't Japanese is shit, and everyone else thinks otaku are creeps, and between the two factors there's no market for serious drama in American cartoons.

--Dave

[Lakov_Sanite]

Otaku generally like anime for the reasons we liked comics like preacher as kids, they deal with serious subjects.  Bad example preacher is better than almost any anime ever  but my point is people die in anime, there are real stakes and real conflicts(generally) also continuity is HUGE and american cartoons generally don't have that.

[MediumHigh]

Naw I'm with MahrinSkel, even anime fans find otaku creepy, for the sheer fact of, the anime fans that watch the heavy consequence, heavy drama series generally watch the stuff Lak is talking about and the otaku prefer the flush/fetish material where nothing happens and everything about repressed people having repressed relationships which has become anime today. 

Its not that there isn't an audience, but because shows that deal with consequence and have gravity behind them are the most vulnerable to executive meddling and ultimate cancellation. We did have an avengers cartoon than ran for a while after IronMan 1, Earth Mightest Heroes....which was canceled to make way for the "movie tie in avengers" that targets young children, think 5-8. And then there is spectacular spiderman which again, pretty damn awesome, but was cancelled to make way for ultimate spiderman, a show that targets 5-8 year old boys.