NFL 2013

[Velorath]

They are saying he will probably miss three weeks. They will lose all three.

To be fair, in Weeks 11 and 12 they play the Giants and the Vikings.

[Ingmar]

I'm not sure I've seen a more awkward throwing motion than what Seneca Wallace was offering last night.  Yes, I am including Tim Tebow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFA__ztkdP8

 

[sickrubik]

Yeah, but a fracture is a fracture and healing time is pretty much 6 weeks.  He might not cause more injury to himself, but I can't imagine he'd be at full capability.

He played with an injured shoulder before, plus the stuff i've seen from Docs related to this story say that if what the news is about a minor fracture, that that timeline is fine.

[Ingmar]

Non-throwing arm, too. I'm always a little surprised how fast people come back from collarbones.

[WayAbvPar]

If Wallace gets some practice reps, I think you will find he is perfectly serviceable. Not many QBs look good when they are running for their lives on every play after holding a clipboard for 2 seasons.

 He definitely has a cannon for an arm. Probably told this story before, but before the Sonics left, my old roommate's girlfriend got some floor seats for us (2nd row basically under the basket...it was pretty cool). Seneca Wallace was sitting about 50 feet away, and Brock Huard (another ex-Seahawk QB) was 3 or 4 rows behind Seneca. During a timeout, they were shooting T-shirts into the crowd with an air cannon. They gave Huard one to throw, and he put it into the first row of the upper seats. They gave Seneca one to throw. He stood on the court (wearing a leather jacket!) and fired it into the very last row.

The way to use him is like Seattle uses Wilson. He is undersized with a good arm, so get him moving and utilize his speed and mobility.

[JWIV]

Just to give a quick update on the Pickem League.

It's Haemish, and then a knife fight for second with the majority of people being one or two picks off from each other.

[01101010]

Just to give a quick update on the Pickem League.

It's Haemish, and then a knife fight for second with the majority of people being one or two picks off from each other.

Yeah fuck him... he hax. 

[HaemishM]

I just wish I had money on those picks. 

[Rasix]

This whole Martin/Incognito/Dolphins thing is venturing into predictable territory.  Circle the wagons.  Nothing is amiss.

[sickrubik]

I'm quickly getting to the point of "avoid all Martin/Incognito stuff". It's just making me angry now. The conversation around it may make me angrier than the initial issues.

[Rasix]

Yah, don't look at the comments either.  They've shifted significantly, and certain groups have become rather emboldened where they weren't before.  It's become a giant cesspit.

[Paelos]

I was on an audit earlier this week so I didn't get to do my power rankings.

Paelos Power Rankings Week 9:

1 - Denver
2 - KC
3 - Patriots
4 - Saints
5 - Seattle
6 - SF
7 - Indy
8 - Cincy
9 - Carolina
10 - JETS JETS JETS

[WayAbvPar]

Patriots at 3 is ridiculous. Brady is among the most inaccurate QBs in the league this season, and their defense is decimated by injuries (Mayo, Willfork, etc). Every team below them on your list would at worst play them close, and most would kick their ass.

[Paelos]

I don't like them there, but I also think with their schedule they go 11-5 minimum. It's just a cruise control into a high seed, and a possible bye if Denver stumbles in the latter half.

Also, they already beat the Saints heads up, so take that for what it's worth

[Bunk]

I've been listening to the endless Dolphins stuff on talk radio the last few days. Initially, I planned to ignore it, but all the recent commentary is pissing me off. There are a whole lot of people expressing opinions on this, that clearly have never been emotionally bullied in their lives.

[Paelos]

It's totally shocking that people who follow the most overtly macho sport, which actively supports "playing through the pain" as a virtue, would have trouble with emotional security.

I mean honestly, who didn't see this coming? The only part I'm interested in is if the coaches called in a Code Red.

[sickrubik]

I don't like them there, but I also think with their schedule they go 11-5 minimum. It's just a cruise control into a high seed, and a possible bye if Denver stumbles in the latter half.

Also, they already beat the Saints heads up, so take that for what it's worth

The Chiefs would have to fall on their face too, for your theory to work. I don't disagree with the Chiefs falling on their face, but the race between Chiefs/Broncos is going to be tight. Week 11 and 13 are going to be crazy important.

[Paelos]

Why? You get two byes.

[sickrubik]

Why? You get two byes.

The two divisional leaders with the best records get the bye. They can't come from the same division. KC and Denver are in the same division. So if KC wins the AFC West, Denver would be a wild card.

[Ingmar]

Yep, the scrambling is actually going to be over which division leader gets fucked and has to host the AFC West wildcard team. Kind of true for the NFC as well, actually.

[WayAbvPar]

Yep, the scrambling is actually going to be over which division leader gets fucked and has to host the AFC West wildcard team. Kind of true for the NFC as well, actually.

Yeah, which ever mongrel garbage team wins the NFC East will be a big home dog to Seattle or San Francisco.

[Paelos]

If we can assume that Indy or Cincy isn't likely to go 12-4, I think the Pats are getting the bye regardless of Denver or KC, now that you mentioned it.

[sickrubik]

If we can assume that Indy or Cincy isn't likely to go 12-4, I think the Pats are getting the bye regardless of Denver or KC, now that you mentioned it.

It really doesn't matter what everyone else is doing. If KC wins the AFC West, Denver will not get a bye. Right now, Pats have the #2 seed. Denver has #5.

[Paelos]

I think we're talking in circles here. I see your point that the AFC West is irrelevant in the bye situation.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't matter what happens with the other two division winners. They can certainly steal the bye from the Pats.

[sickrubik]

Who can steal the bye from the Pats?

[Trippy]

The Bengals? Actually it would be the Colts.

[HaemishM]

Man, fuck the Jets.

I would actually put the Pats below Indy on that list. Their defense is dogshit with all the injuries they've had and Brady is about the only thing holding that team together. The Pats team is one fractured collarbone from irrelevance. It doesn't hurt that the rest of the division is mediocrity flirting with the playoffs - and that includes the Jets. I would put one of the Bears/Lions/Packers/Chargers on that list before I'd put the Jets.

Because seriously, fuck the Jets.

This whole Martin/Incognito thing is disgusting. All these assgoblins coming out defending Incognito can suck it. That voicemail/text messaging with the racist slurs? No fucking excuse whatsoever. Most of the meathead ex-players on the sports channel really want to defend Incognito but know they can't because of the racial overtones so they are trying to walk this fine line between "shouldn't he have been able to handle it or just punched the guy?" kind of bullshit.

[Ingmar]

Remember they finally (probably) get Vereen back next week, so you'll be looking at a complete set of threats for Brady finally.

[sickrubik]

The Bengals? Actually it would be the Colts.

I could see the Colts over the Pats, but I think it will end up being the Pats. Because, Patriots. Baring Brady going down of course. Any of the elite teams are generally in the same situation that way.

[Ghambit]

Incog and JMart were pretty close friends (everyone has said as much).  I've found pics of them hanging on Bourbon street together actually; their twitters are a bromance, etc.  The issue with the 'code red' is simply the team wanting JMart to bulk up... something that was pretty much written into his contract, as he came in underperforming in the weight-room.  Richie was just trying to drunk-dial rank on him for skipping the gym.

Conclusion after the latest info., Martin has a past that no one really wants leaking out and the team is paying the price for that silence (see: emotional issues alluded to).  Since Martin still wants to play ball, this makes the situation worse. (it's not really a Ricky Williams type drama)  He's more of a cornered rat at this point and will fight tooth-and-nail to either play ball again or recover as much payroll as possible + severance.

I'd like to feel more for him, but the fact he saved personal voicemails between him and his "best" friend, only to use them publicly 6 months later (after laughing about it with peers in the locker room) is really just plain shitty.  Having a particularly complex personal/professional relationship with your closest teammate doesn't excuse the matter.

Above all of this... fact still remains that Stanford-like guys never truly fit into the dumbfactory that is the NFL (see Luck, Sherman, etc.).  Never have, never will.    Do teams need to do a better job incorporating intellect into the locker room though??  Hell yes.

[Ingmar]

Yeah, you're fucking nuts dude. There's no way these guys were BFFs. No fucking way.

[Sjofn]

You just don't understand bromances, obviously. 

[Ghambit]

Yeah, you're fucking nuts dude. There's no way these guys were BFFs. No fucking way.

Then maybe JMart really and truly looked at the team as purely a traditional business - wherein he felt pressured to bromance it up with his teammates even though he secretly despised them.  
I'm half hoping on Monday Night football the two of them run through the tunnel hand-in-hand with violins in the background and rose petals on the turf.  No really.

[Malakili]

  Have you ever played high level southern-style American football btw?  Unless you have, it's tough to have a truly informed opinion on the matter. 

I keep hearing variations on this argument, but I don't understand it.  It seems to me to be essentially "Football is full of manchildren acting shitty to each other, therefore this instance of it is totally ok."

Hell, even in Hockey - a sport for well off northerners - I never had many friends on my teams.

[Ingmar]

Yeah, you're fucking nuts dude. There's no way these guys were BFFs. No fucking way.

BFF's in the standard sense that you're thinking of?  No.  BFFs in a football-sense?  Yes.  Have you ever played high level southern-style American football btw?  Unless you have, it's tough to have a truly informed opinion on the matter. 

Only other things I can think of are JMart is gay, him and Richie were closer then anyone thought, or JMart really and truly looked at the team as purely a traditional business - wherein he felt pressured to bromance it up with his teammates even though he secretly despised them.   

I'm half hoping on Monday Night football the two of them run through the tunnel hand-in-hand with violins in the background and rose petals on the turf.  No really.

And there's just no possible way that Martin was going along with things to avoid conflict, none at all. Because that's totally not what people who get bullied often end up doing.

Football is not some special magical world where the rules of normal human behavior fly out the window and everything is just totally alien to anyone on the outside.