NFL 2013

[Paelos]

I'm not sure why you're giving them the benefit of the doubt on anything. NFL players aren't responsible citizens as a whole. Replacing them with other irresponsible people isn't going to make the league better.

It's not about reefer madness. In a metaphorical sense, it's the difference between looking the other way when your kids drink, and throwing a party for them in your house. There are unintended consequences to those decisions, and I don't think it would make the NFL look better or play better.

[ghost]

Well, they already look the other way on a lot of stuff.  This seems like a small issue. 

[Nebu]

Probably old, but made me chuckle.

[sickrubik]

I'm not sure why you're giving them the benefit of the doubt on anything. NFL players aren't responsible citizens as a whole. Replacing them with other irresponsible people isn't going to make the league better.

It's not about reefer madness. In a metaphorical sense, it's the difference between looking the other way when your kids drink, and throwing a party for them in your house. There are unintended consequences to those decisions, and I don't think it would make the NFL look better or play better.

Because pot is available now, and the NFL is actually quote lenient on pot, and it isn't happening now. Nothing about it being legal is suddenly going to cause all of the players to say "SHIT ITS LEGAL, SON? TIME TO BLAZE 24/7!". There are people that would do that, but guess what, those are the same people that can't control themselves NOW.

You're belittling an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.  They won't be able to help themselves! They can't protect themselves from the dangers of the deadly Mareejahjuana. It is an incredibly small issue. Especially over pot, of all things.

[Paelos]

This is going in circles. I'll put it this way, NFL people hate distractions. That's like the one thing they try constantly to keep out of their teams, in whatever form. If I was running a club, I wouldn't want legal pot as another added distraction. I don't really care if it's being done illegally, I'd still want people that are dumb enough to overuse it and get busted by a test to be punished.

I don't believe you can have it both ways saying it's belittling the actions of a few, when in the previous statement you quoted a guy saying that the NFL wouldn't have a single player if they banned on a first pot offense.

Overall it doesn't really matter because neither of us actually runs an NFL team.

[sickrubik]

Nalen's quote and my stance reinforce each other. Pot exists now and does not cause an overwhelming problem, other than getting caught, and then it's only because it is in fact banned.

If it's being smoked, and not a problem besides the people who smoke themselves stupid (which is a very small percentage), why is it banned?  And if it's being smoked currently, and it's not causing enough of a distraction to warrant anything stricter than treatment/fines for the first threee offenses, what would suddenly happen if it's legal? Problem nothing other than a lack of stories.

But it is going in circles, I just see absolutely no evidence that it causes a problem in general. I also think we just have very different feelings on pot in general.

[ghost]

Sounds like the Chip Kelley show may have more than just the opposing defenses against him. 

Whether Kelly's fast-paced attack would work as well at the professional level as it did in college was one of the most intriguing questions heading into this season. However, NFL rules likely will force Kelly to make adjustments.

Chip Kelly's offense, which likely will be directed by either Nick Foles, left, or Michael Vick, might not be allowed to be as fast-paced as his Oregon attacks.
"We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do," NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino told The Wall Street Journal. "We're going through our normal ball mechanics, we aren't going to rush [unless] it's in the two minute drill."

I think this is going to be a raging dumpster fire of a disaster for Philly. 

[Paelos]

The Patriots already run a version of what he does. He consulted with them to put it in. I doubt the refs will cause a huge stink for him, but Philly loves to get their hurf in a durf because I think they all suspect this will be a disaster. You need a good QB to run that style, and a QB that can read things on a fly. That's not exactly the strong suit of any QB on that roster.

The reason this works in college is because college defenses in the PAC-12 are mostly dumb or terrible. In the NFL? Even the bad defenses are good.

[ghost]

The Patriots already run a version of what he does. He consulted with them to put it in. I doubt the refs will cause a huge stink for him, but Philly loves to get their hurf in a durf because I think they all suspect this will be a disaster. You need a good QB to run that style, and a QB that can read things on a fly. That's not exactly the strong suit of any QB on that roster.

The reason this works in college is because college defenses in the PAC-12 are mostly dumb or terrible. In the NFL? Even the bad defenses are good.

This will be a disaster.  There is no way that he can expect to run a play every 12 seconds.  The Eagles' players are going to get demolished. 

Also, Eddie Lacey looks like he's put on a few

[Paelos]

I'll credit Deadspin for this one:

Counterpoint: He's not fat by Wisconsin standards

[ghost]

He'll still fuck shit up.

[sickrubik]

Those pictures were really bad angles. If you look at other photos of him from camp, he looks fine.

Speaking of Deadspin, Counterpoint: Eddie Lacy Is Not Fat

[ghost]

He looks like a lineman.   

He's a big guy though, even while at Bama.

[Ingmar]

He looks nothing like a lineman. He looks like a fullback, maybe.

[ghost]

In that photo he could very easily pass for a D-lineman.  That gut is enormous. 

[Paelos]

He's certainly bigger than he was at Alabama. The Packers are already talking about him being a "Big Back" and going with him in power situations. That's not how he was used at Alabama. He was busting runs at 7 yards a carry.

[ghost]

He was always a big boy though.  And he's got quickness for that size that is atypical.  Even with added weight he'll be fine.

[sickrubik]

But, again, that photo is misleading. It's a bad angle.

[Paelos]

It reminds me of the angle on "Fat Chipper" at the beginning of his final season.

[HaemishM]

So about that Percy Harvin trade... 

Sorry, Way. Your team traded for a fucking fruitcake and he probably won't make it on the field much this year if at all. But at least the team isn't necessarily going to rely on his presence or lack thereof.

[Nevermore]

So, about that Niner/Seahawk wide receiver 'arms race'...

[Paelos]

I think both the Niners and Seahawks miss the playoffs. That division is going all RAMS BABY! 

[Ingmar]

Vernon Davis is apparently taking a bunch of snaps at WR in camp.

[WayAbvPar]

So about that Percy Harvin trade... 

Sorry, Way. Your team traded for a fucking fruitcake and he probably won't make it on the field much this year if at all. But at least the team isn't necessarily going to rely on his presence or lack thereof.

Seattle can't have nice things. That is pretty much what it boils down to. Our studly rookie catcher on the Mariners is currently broken too.

I am choosing to see it like they drafted a bust like Lawrence Jackson or James Carpenter in the first round...it is survivable. Just means Tate and Baldwin (and maybe Kearse) need to step it the fuck up. Maybe all of them if Rice's vaginal treatments in Europe don't work.

[ghost]

Russell Wilson is pretty damned good.  Don't discount that.  I think Seattle will still be damned tough at home and suck ass on the road, just like last year, even without Harvin.

[HaemishM]

Well yeah. I mean, the team DID almost win the division AND win a playoff game without Harvin. It wasn't like they NEEDED him, but he sure would have made that division tougher for the Niners with Crabtree missing.

[K9]

They still have a terrifying D.

[Rasix]

Riley Cooper is a gentleman and a scholar.  Fucking Florida.

[ghost]

It's funny how you can really see into people's souls once they've got a few drinks in them. 

[ghost]

Hmm.  Apparently Alex Smith is the best quarterback in the NFL.  Who knew?

[Paelos]

I thought he got the shaft in SF, but will he succeed in KC? We'll find out. They have both a head coach and a QB that I think were "unfairly" treated in their respective prior teams.

[ghost]

I think he's probably decent, but best in the NFL is a stretch when you have the Mannings, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc. in front of you.  Being in the top 1/3 isn't bad though.  I could place him there tentatively.

[Paelos]

He's not the best by a long shot. That's just a fluff statement. If you're picking QBs for your right now and you don't take Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees first, I'm looking at you funny.

[WayAbvPar]

Riley Cooper is a gentleman and a scholar.  Fucking Florida.

Someone used the N word at a Kenny Chesney concert? Well I never...

[Segoris]

Apparently Chesney doesn't want his fans all viewed the same as Cooper. I was just thinking how sad it is how similar an NFL player is to a Chesney fan

Also, lots of changes to the Pro Bowl.

the tl;dr would be no more AFC vs NFC, teams are picked with the top two voted players of the year and 2 leading fantasy football players as captains and Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders will act as Alumni captains this year, lots of changes aimed at speeding up the pace of the game outside of the last 2 minutes of each quarter, no more kick returns, and defenses can play more than man to man and goalline schemes.