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on: November 09, 2012, 05:26:44 AM

So if you haven't heard of Medal of Honor: Warfighter, it was the latest attempt to revive the Medal of Honor IP by giving it that incredibly fresh modern combat setting...Well, "Revive" might not be the right word; more like some sort of stopgap game between Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 because for some reason EA feels like they have to 'counter' the release of any competing title like Black Ops 2 which is out next week.

The game is not surprisingly, a piece of shit. You don't need to take reviewers words for it either, because believe it or not guess what one of the pre-order bonuses was?

Battlefield 4 beta access.

That established; shitty company, shitty game, cynical reasons for releasing it. I'm sure the poor studio (Danger Close) EA had tasked to make it had EA management hovering over their shoulders ruining the game at every turn, and I'm sure they had to release it half-completed, but well it's still bad. I would imagine they're probably going to be looking for new jobs in the near future, but they're going to have company because the big selling point of this game was that it was conceptualized and designed and influenced by testimony of actual honest-to-god SEALs and special force operatives. Well it turns out they might not have cleared the info they gave Danger Close and EA, because they are all now in big big trouble.

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Seven U.S. Navy SEALs have been reprimanded for giving up classified information connected to their tradecraft so a video game could seem more realistic, according to a navy official.

The seven were charged with the unauthorized showing of their official combat gear and dereliction of duty for disclosing classified material after an investigation found the seven to have worked as paid consultants for two days with the video game company Electronic Arts, according to a U.S. Navy official familiar with the investigation.

The work, done around the late spring and early summer, was unauthorized by their commanders and against military regulations according to the Navy official.

All seven are active duty members of SEAL Team 6, considered the most elite of the Navy’s SEAL community. CBS News, which first reported this story, says at least one of the members was on the raid that killed Osama bin Laden last year.

The seven, all senior enlisted sailors, received their punishment Thursday at their base in Virginia. All seven were given a letter of reprimand and their pay taken for two months. The move essentially prevents their chances for promotion and ends their military careers.

Four other SEALs who have since transferred to west coast SEAL teams are still under investigation, according to the official.

Ouch. For a game with a review average hovering around 50%. Hope it was worth it.
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Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 05:37:11 AM

Wow.  That's quite the story.  I saw the Zero Punctuation review and giggled, but I had no idea it was as dramatic as this.

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Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 05:48:15 AM

I guess EA couldn't find their own pet war criminal to tap for unauthorized info, so they went for the next best thing: active service personnel.
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Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 06:00:46 AM

Do you really think that EA hired these guys and said "Give us all your classified information and breach national security?"  If anyone is to blame it's the Seals that did this without checking with their superiors or knowing what information was classified and what wasn't.
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Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 06:18:13 AM

Do you really think that EA hired these guys and said "Give us all your classified information and breach national security?"  If anyone is to blame it's the Seals that did this without checking with their superiors or knowing what information was classified and what wasn't.
The Seals are likely at fault for the info they shared (I imagine they were screwed by the Pentagon being pissy still over the Seals who wrote the Bin Laden raid books), but EA solicited their help for a game that IMO they had no real faith in. So basically a complete shitshow.

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Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 08:08:36 AM

Do you really think that EA hired these guys and said "Give us all your classified information and breach national security?"  If anyone is to blame it's the Seals that did this without checking with their superiors or knowing what information was classified and what wasn't.
The Seals are likely at fault for the info they shared (I imagine they were screwed by the Pentagon being pissy still over the Seals who wrote the Bin Laden raid books), but EA solicited their help for a game that IMO they had no real faith in. So basically a complete shitshow.

I know you think EA raped your puppy or somesuch, but this thread is retarded.
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Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 08:45:36 AM

I know you think EA raped your puppy or somesuch, but this thread is retarded.
Nah. It's just kinda interesting and kind of amusing that some people got their military careers blown up because they helped make a video game, and the game itself ended up being terrible and shoved out the door to beat a competing product which has pretty much gone sci-fi. The Battlefield 4 beta thing for pre-orders was just the icing on the cake.

It'd be like if the Diablo 3 pre-order had come with beta access to Torchlight 2.

Did I mention I own a Battlefield 3 Premium account? BF3 is a pretty good game. This isn't.
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Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 09:36:41 AM

I played the last Medal of Honor WE ARE TIER 1 bullshit game in multiplayer beta. The game was ok, but I could tell it was going to be in trouble simply by the map design. One map was straight out of the Call of Duty "grenade spam in a phone booth" school of design. The other was a multi-tiered BF2:BC Rush type of game that wasn't bad but wasn't as good as Battlefield. It was literally trying to please both audiences and doing a lukewarm job of satisfying either. I have no idea why they tried to make a second.

That they got 7 Navy SEALS in trouble is idiotic. How did EA not check with the proper channels and how did the SEALS not clear it? Perhaps if we didn't have such a huge fetishization of guns and the military, this wouldn't have happened (the disciplining and the shitty game release).

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Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 10:34:29 AM

It's being reported the Matt Bissonnette, who wrote "No Easy Day", was the guy who organized the SEALs to work for EA, seems to want to be SEAL publiscist or something.

I know it's cool to blame EA for everything, but to me a lot more of this falls on the SEALs who prolly have all kinds of media types (Video games, film, books, tv, etc.) looking to make these kind of deals with them and should know the rules better. Maybe blame their navy superiors too for not emphasizing them enough, especially after all the fame & prestige they have accrued in the past 2 years.
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Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 11:12:40 AM

This thread is indeed retarded. (The SEAL part anyway. The BF4 beta with a shitty game to get the shitty game to sell part is Facepalm, yes.)

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Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 11:25:59 AM

Anybody in the military who is dumb enough to think they can get away with moonlighting without reporting it to their CO is an idiot.

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Reply #11 on: November 13, 2012, 03:59:26 PM

Nah. It's just kinda interesting and kind of amusing that some people got their military careers blown up because they helped make a video game, and the game itself ended up being terrible and shoved out the door to beat a competing product which has pretty much gone sci-fi. The Battlefield 4 beta thing for pre-orders was just the icing on the cake.

I think you're reading too much into the Beta thing. They did the same thing with the last Medal of Honor - threw in a BF3 beta for good measure. Or was it the other way around? It's not so much about "no faith" thing as trying to connect people from two different-but-similarly-themed shooters into one annual audience.

The last MoH game was a decent game. Not amazing, but okay. That's how I've seen most of the CoD games for awhile, come to think of it. Well, MW2 and 3. I liked CoD4 and Blops. Haven't played Blops 2 or MOHWF.

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Reply #12 on: November 13, 2012, 06:02:59 PM

Anybody in the military who is dumb enough to think they can get away with moonlighting without reporting it to their CO is an idiot.

This.  Not that I'd have anything a game maker would be interested in, but even a low level flunky like me would have to get permission to do something like this.
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Reply #13 on: November 13, 2012, 08:53:13 PM

Nah. It's just kinda interesting and kind of amusing that some people got their military careers blown up because they helped make a video game, and the game itself ended up being terrible and shoved out the door to beat a competing product which has pretty much gone sci-fi. The Battlefield 4 beta thing for pre-orders was just the icing on the cake.

I think you're reading too much into the Beta thing. They did the same thing with the last Medal of Honor - threw in a BF3 beta for good measure. Or was it the other way around? It's not so much about "no faith" thing as trying to connect people from two different-but-similarly-themed shooters into one annual audience.

The last MoH game was a decent game. Not amazing, but okay. That's how I've seen most of the CoD games for awhile, come to think of it. Well, MW2 and 3. I liked CoD4 and Blops. Haven't played Blops 2 or MOHWF.
They're not the only ones either; Microsoft offered a beta for Halo 3 with Crackdown. It's a reasonably common practice in the industry these days.

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Reply #14 on: November 14, 2012, 06:24:42 AM

Crackdown and a Halo MP beta aren't the same things. Warfighter and BF4 are literally the same genre, same type of game, targeting the same audience. Diablo 3 coming with a year sub to WoW is synergistic in a way, and the games aren't the same genre. Again, this would be like if Diablo 3 came with beta access to Torchlight 2.

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Reply #15 on: November 14, 2012, 09:51:01 AM

Why the hell were they allowed off base with their classified combat kit at all?  Is this common practice?

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Reply #16 on: November 14, 2012, 04:18:11 PM

Is that what happened?  I assumed they just took some photos, or talked about some tactics or gear they weren't supposed to (like, anything they weren't specifically cleared for).  Information control is a big deal these days, you can get in deep shit for just looking at the wrong thing (see: those ARMA devs who got arrested in Greece for taking photos of millitary installations).
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Reply #17 on: November 14, 2012, 08:55:19 PM

Crackdown and a Halo MP beta aren't the same things. Warfighter and BF4 are literally the same genre, same type of game, targeting the same audience. Diablo 3 coming with a year sub to WoW is synergistic in a way, and the games aren't the same genre. Again, this would be like if Diablo 3 came with beta access to Torchlight 2.
You're acting like MoH and BF are competitors which is not the case; they are EA's two alternating annual FPS titles, in the same way Activision has Treyarch and Infinity Ward (or Sledgehammer or whoever makes MW now) taking turns with the Call of Duty franchise. As Azazel said, the Medal of Honor reboot that launched 2 years ago even came with a beta for Battlefield 3, so it's still not news and your Diablo/TL analogy is still wrong.

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Reply #18 on: November 14, 2012, 10:36:12 PM

Yeah, D3 coming with T2 would be like Blops2 coming with MOHWF.

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Reply #19 on: November 15, 2012, 05:45:24 AM

D3 Coming with Torchlight 2 might have gotten me to buy it...

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Reply #20 on: November 15, 2012, 07:32:48 AM

You're acting like MoH and BF are competitors which is not the case; they are EA's two alternating annual FPS titles, in the same way Activision has Treyarch and Infinity Ward (or Sledgehammer or whoever makes MW now) taking turns with the Call of Duty franchise. As Azazel said, the Medal of Honor reboot that launched 2 years ago even came with a beta for Battlefield 3, so it's still not news and your Diablo/TL analogy is still wrong.
No, they aren't competitors; there's the big arguably good flagship game (Battlefield, of which BF3 is still getting paid content releases), then the bad rehash they're trying to move units for by giving beta access to the next install of the good flagship which is MOH.

Battlefield 3's pre-order bonuses were the Karkand DLC and some in-game stuff like dogtags.

Medal of Honor's pre-order bonuses were beta passes to a better game, Battlefield.

The D3/TL2 thing was snark since they're made by different companies under different publishers, but the idea is still right.

Edit: This is kinda just part of what made the story funny to me anyway. What appeared to at least me was a crap game they knew was bad was shoved out the door early to compete with Black Ops, and the whole thing was a fiasco to the point where military personnel got busted down for sharing info to develop again- a bad game.
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