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Reply #175 on: June 09, 2014, 06:33:10 AM

Oh?

Ok, that's fascinating. And I had no idea. I always thought that somehow nerd/gaming culture in its dawn was pretty much borderless. Unlike music culture. I am always a bit surprised when I realize how less big artists like Portishead, or PJ Harvey, or Nick Cave were in the US as opposed to Europe. And it always takes me some time to explain to my North American friends why I have no idea what's a Reece's Peanut Butter Cup or that I've never heard of a disgusting band called Creed.

But ELITE?! More seriously, I always thought videogame culture and knowledge had been pretty much "global" since forever, so this is really interesting and new to me. Thanks for your perspectives.

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Reply #176 on: June 09, 2014, 07:45:34 AM

I like the question on the forums: "So is E:D a reboot of Eve?"  why so serious?

Great video Falc. Still tempted to drop the cash on the beta but... other things to spend that money on at the moment.  That's also an impressive list that you quoted too. I had seen it on the forums but hadn't really paid attention to it.  I'm pretty sure some of the stuff is done and waiting in the wings - the Damocles video from last year was made using in-game assets and showed the Imperial Capital Ship, Imperial Fighters and Cobra Mk 1s I believe (or ere they actually Sidewinders ?)  Also, it looks like they may be introducing a new space station soon, judging from the sneak peek in the newsletter this week:



The other thing is that I'm pretty sure they know how to do a lot of what they need to put in because they've done iterations of it before in the previous games. But yeah, a lot to do. I just hope they spend their time on the right things (i.e. fun things like events, fluctuating economy etc - not gravitational slingshots).

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Reply #177 on: June 09, 2014, 09:21:35 AM

Really good video Falc! If I had £100 spare right now I'd be buying this. I'm champing at the bit for it to go live or at least cheaper.

All of my old gaming friends here in the UK played Elite as kids. All of us. All of us were totally meh about Wing Commander.

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Reply #178 on: June 09, 2014, 10:49:52 AM

I'm not surprised by it.  I had never heard of it until the Kickstarter, and was trying to figure out why so many people were going nuts over it.  I don't think it was ever promoted over here to any real degree.

Whut ?

Really ?


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Reply #179 on: June 09, 2014, 10:55:53 AM

All of my old gaming friends here in the UK played Elite as kids. All of us. All of us were totally meh about Wing Commander.

All Wing Commander and Freelancer did was make me nostalgic for the days of Elite.  Thanks for the vid Falc.  Was a nice chance to see the game.

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Reply #180 on: June 09, 2014, 10:58:49 AM

I'm not surprised by it.  I had never heard of it until the Kickstarter, and was trying to figure out why so many people were going nuts over it.  I don't think it was ever promoted over here to any real degree.

Whut ?

Really ?



That's especially weird to me considering they came up with the sequel(s) in the 90s, and they were a big deal, and equally fantastic despite some known flaws.

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Reply #181 on: June 09, 2014, 11:19:27 AM

I'm not surprised by it.  I had never heard of it until the Kickstarter, and was trying to figure out why so many people were going nuts over it.  I don't think it was ever promoted over here to any real degree.

Whut ?

Really ?



Yep. I'd heard of it, but only because of some random circumstances that have nothing to do with the game. I don't think the BBC Micro computers it was originally made for were ever sold over here at all. It did get converted to stuff we had like the C64, but I don't remember anyone I knew playing it, and we played just about everything that was on the shelves in those days.

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Reply #182 on: June 09, 2014, 11:24:06 AM

But having never heard of it ?

That's shocking given how big it was here.  Not that I'm disputing it at all, it's just hard to get my head around.

It's like me trying to figure out what the fuck a four way junction was through Sam's fucking mental video.

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Reply #183 on: June 09, 2014, 11:29:39 AM

It's shocking considering it is possibly the first open world game ever, and how often so many game developers mention it among their biggest influences. Hell, Grand Theft Auto was made with Elite in mind (source).

EDIT: Also, again, Elite 2 on Amiga.
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Reply #184 on: June 09, 2014, 11:36:43 AM

It's shocking considering it is possibly the first open world game ever, and how often so many game developers mention it among their biggest influences. Hell, Grand Theft Auto was made with Elite in mind (source).

EDIT: Also, again, Elite 2 on Amiga.

I'd say that Star Raiders (Wiki link) was perhaps an inspiration for the original Elite, which came 5 years later.  It's much less ambitious, but had a very open-word feel for such an early game.  It was also my gateway drug!

I consider Elite, Archon, and MULE to be among the top 3 computer games that got me forever hooked.

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Reply #185 on: June 09, 2014, 11:44:05 AM

Add me to the list of ignorant bastards that had never heard of Elite.
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Reply #186 on: June 09, 2014, 11:51:23 AM

EDIT: Also, again, Elite 2 on Amiga.

Speaking of things that were far more widely owned in Europe, people with Amigas were pretty rare here.

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Reply #187 on: June 09, 2014, 11:53:47 AM

I consider Elite, Archon, and MULE to be among the top 3 computer games that got me forever hooked.

See, Nebu, that is creepy. Those are my three too. I'd just add Utopia for Intellivision to the lot. Those are my good scars.


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EDIT: Also, again, Elite 2 on Amiga.

Speaking of things that were far more widely owned in Europe, people with Amigas were pretty rare here.

See, that's really cool for me to find out. If anything this thread is so informative to me. Thanks a lot for the contributions!

P.S: What the hell were you all playing 16-bit stuff on at the time? The Atari ST? Consoles?
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Reply #188 on: June 09, 2014, 12:01:12 PM

P.S: What the hell were you all playing 16-bit stuff on at the time? The Atari ST? Consoles?
CGA-card (maybe even EGA!) PCs and Apple II's (are these the right ones? idk) at schools would be my guess.
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Reply #189 on: June 09, 2014, 12:04:22 PM

With my friends, it was an assortment of people who never upgraded from their Commodore 64s during that time frame, people who got on the PC wagon, and consoles. A few Atari and Apple computers but those were rarer. I have I think one friend who had an Amiga growing up - Amigas were really expensive if I recall, like well over $1000.

I was one of the C64 people, we didn't get a new computer between that and our first 286.

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Reply #190 on: June 09, 2014, 12:17:31 PM

Yeah back then I had a PC and as a kid saw an Amiga at a computer store, those were impressive graphics at the time.  I remember being really shocked at how much they cost so I pretty much assumed my parents would never buy one.  Would of definitely been a step up from from the 256k or whatever PC we had at home. 
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Reply #191 on: June 09, 2014, 12:56:26 PM

Atari ST was also big over here at the time, but that was pretty much because of Dungeon Master.

Amstrad CPC was the link between the two and I got to ELITE on that, pretty much farming Thargoids before I knew what the fuck the term 'farming' meant.  See, on the Amstrad, you could 'jink' your hyperspace drive to get into Witch space.

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Reply #192 on: June 09, 2014, 02:34:17 PM

Half-serious break. The first novel set in the Elite: Dangerous universe, written by Kate Russel, is out. You can get it here for 6£ but I think you should really watch the trailer first, narrated by Kate herself who obviously has been obsessed with the original Elite since she was 12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTdBPQfbpjU
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Reply #193 on: June 09, 2014, 04:32:29 PM

The kids who first had a computer got pre-packaged ones like Apple IIs and Commadore-64s.  I knew someone a little older that had a TI.  My first was a PC XT, which got upgraded over time.  After that pretty much all anyone had that I knew was self-built PC systems.

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Reply #194 on: June 09, 2014, 04:35:19 PM

I can't believe North America basically skipped the Amiga, one of the best gaming platforms ever built.

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Reply #195 on: June 09, 2014, 05:07:26 PM

I just looked it up - an Amiga 1000 with a monitor was $1,595. You could buy 3 C64s, two PCJrs, or like 15 NESes for that much money, it was really, really expensive at least over here.

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Reply #196 on: June 09, 2014, 05:10:12 PM

I can't believe North America basically skipped the Amiga, one of the best gaming platforms ever built.

Interesting. I didn't know Amiga was popular in Europe. Google says you are right though.

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Reply #197 on: June 09, 2014, 05:20:37 PM

Addendum: As much as standards are nice, it's a shame there isn't any competition of various systems anymore. Amiga vs IBM CGA graphics and OS/2 vs Windows 3.1 showed what would have been/was possible.

On the other hand, Cryengine 3 got ported to Linux and Witcher 3 will be released on Linux/Steameinge as well. Maybe this is a sign that things are beginning to shake up a bit.  smiley

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Reply #198 on: June 09, 2014, 07:11:05 PM

I saw the original Elite on a friend's C64 I think, or was it Apple? I never owned a C64 myself though.  But as I said, Elite was priced way out of the market.  I think it was something like $80 when the most expensive games might have been $50 and the vast majority around $30 I think? 

The 8-bit wars here were mostly between Apple IIs,TRS-80, Ti something, C64, Atari 800/800XL, and late in the game came the IBM PC, but the C64 overwhelmed all the others combined.

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Reply #199 on: June 09, 2014, 07:16:05 PM

I had a friend give me a copy of Elite as a kid and man.... We had so many months of playing that, then Elite+, Then lots of other space games came out.

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Reply #200 on: June 09, 2014, 08:10:43 PM

I just looked it up - an Amiga 1000 with a monitor was $1,595. You could buy 3 C64s, two PCJrs, or like 15 NESes for that much money, it was really, really expensive at least over here.

That wasn't the mass market Amiga gaming model. The Amiga 500 sold for $699 in the US and used your TV as a monitor (with bundled adapter). I owned and gamed on an A500 in Australia, but most of my teenage gaming (including years of Elite) was done on a C64 with tape drive, connected to a TV. If you had any model higher than an A500 you were either rich or a computer enthusiast.

Elite is ultimately the open world experience I've been trying to recreate in MMOs and open world games, particularly in EverQuest (my first MMO) and SWG. I played Elite so much as a teenager, it probably shaped how my brain works.
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Reply #201 on: June 09, 2014, 09:00:03 PM

While we're on this tangent: in Hungary Amiga 500s were expensive enough that they were mostly owned by rich people/kids, but there was still a whole lot of people buying them (lots of overlap with the demoscene). Doubly so for the AGA (Amiga 1200?). A whole lot of people had C-64s (and Plus4/C16s), and the upgrade path was typically C64 -> A500 (sometimes skipped) -> PC (386 DX+). Almost nobody owned consoles, and - despite heavy marketing efforts - console games like super mario were almost completely unknown (I posted about this in the Scott Pilgrim thread, but nobody believed me!). In fact, up to the early-mid 2000s, the term "video games" wasn't used at all, everyone said "computer games" instead (this changed with the psx somewhat, and definitely changed when the new generation of gamers started with the xbox/ps2 instead of the pc).

And yes, Elite (and Frontier) were absolutely huge over here.

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Reply #202 on: June 09, 2014, 09:26:02 PM

While we're on this tangent: in Hungary Amiga 500s were expensive enough that they were mostly owned by rich people/kids, but there was still a whole lot of people buying them (lots of overlap with the demoscene). Doubly so for the AGA (Amiga 1200?). A whole lot of people had C-64s (and Plus4/C16s), and the upgrade path was typically C64 -> A500 (sometimes skipped) -> PC (386 DX+). Almost nobody owned consoles, and - despite heavy marketing efforts - console games like super mario were almost completely unknown (I posted about this in the Scott Pilgrim thread, but nobody believed me!). In fact, up to the early-mid 2000s, the term "video games" wasn't used at all, everyone said "computer games" instead (this changed with the psx somewhat, and definitely changed when the new generation of gamers started with the xbox/ps2 instead of the pc).

And yes, Elite (and Frontier) were absolutely huge over here.

Oh, wow. Amiga in communist Hungary? Or are we talking post-1990?


Thinking back at that time... I had a Robotron printer. And a crush on the PC salesguy. Wish was what got me involved with computers in the first place *sigh*

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Reply #203 on: June 10, 2014, 01:19:46 AM

Half-serious break. The first novel set in the Elite: Dangerous universe, written by Kate Russel, is out. You can get it here for 6£ but I think you should really watch the trailer first, narrated by Kate herself who obviously has been obsessed with the original Elite since she was 12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTdBPQfbpjU

Reading the product description hurts.  It doesn't read like she's liked Elite since she was 12, it reads like she wrote the book when she was 12.

Edit;  she's the one that wrote that Working The Cloud book.

And many of you just started giggling because that read as Working The Butt.  Sigh
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Reply #204 on: June 10, 2014, 01:34:25 AM

I played the original Elite on my Atari ST 520, although my 8 yrs old, non-english speaking version found it a bit intimidating; in fact, I would rather watch my father play it. Plus, I was deep into the mid-late CRPG madness with Bard's Tale, Dungeon Master, Ultima, Phantasie, Gold Box; I enjoyed Frontier on the Amiga and then my father also bought it a couple years later for the PC.

Regarding the various gaming systems, here in Italy the Game Boy  and the Master System were huge, along with the Amiga.

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Reply #205 on: June 10, 2014, 02:02:48 AM

Half-serious break. The first novel set in the Elite: Dangerous universe, written by Kate Russel, is out. You can get it here for 6£ but I think you should really watch the trailer first, narrated by Kate herself who obviously has been obsessed with the original Elite since she was 12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTdBPQfbpjU

Reading the product description hurts.  It doesn't read like she's liked Elite since she was 12, it reads like she wrote the book when she was 12.


This is the very first page of her book. I see no reasons to doubt her passion (turns out she had been in love with Elite since she was 10, not 12), but there are obviously many good reasons to doubt her talent.




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Reply #206 on: June 10, 2014, 02:50:54 AM

But as I said, Elite was priced way out of the market.  I think it was something like $80 when the most expensive games might have been $50 and the vast majority around $30 I think? 

Wow? Really? My copy of Elite for the Amstrad came as part of a boxset with The Sentinel, Starglider, Tetris and some Flight Simulator cost me £10 or something back in 1986/7. Maybe a little more than that. I still have it in my attic.

I am now feeling nostalgic about The Sentinel, an old Geoff Crammond game.

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Reply #207 on: June 10, 2014, 02:58:39 AM

The Sentinel was so great, so creepy, so intense. I am surprised no one is doing an indie remake of it (yet).

Also, by the way, sinister reasons why the Commodore 64, then the Amiga, and ultimately the original Playstation boomed in Italy: literally no one was paying for games. Cartridges were expensive but anything on a disk or a cassette was being pirated to death. Even game stores often had the original games (for show) and then the pirated copies of everything on the side. So even if the main system was expensive, Italian kids knew that the game upkeep was going to be very cheap hence definitely worth it. Consoles on the other hand often had you stuck with very few games, even more so because trading used games wasn't an option.
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Reply #208 on: June 10, 2014, 03:48:08 AM

The Sentinel was so great, so creepy, so intense. I am surprised no one is doing an indie remake of it (yet).

Apparently, there is: Zenith, a freeware "rewrite" of The Sentinel, available since 2005

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Reply #209 on: June 10, 2014, 05:57:59 AM

But as I said, Elite was priced way out of the market.  I think it was something like $80 when the most expensive games might have been $50 and the vast majority around $30 I think? 

Wow? Really? My copy of Elite for the Amstrad came as part of a boxset with The Sentinel, Starglider, Tetris and some Flight Simulator cost me £10 or something back in 1986/7. Maybe a little more than that. I still have it in my attic.

I am now feeling nostalgic about The Sentinel, an old Geoff Crammond game.

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