Evil Dead (2013)

[Evildrider]

Cabin in the Woods was more of an Evil Dead remake to me than this was.

[jgsugden]

This was a remake of the original Evil Dead.  Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness were a different take on the idea that moved into the comical zone - and were much better IMHO.  I enjoyed this film for what it was, but I'd rather have seen Army of Darkness 2 rather than a reboot that went back to the original concept.

I am very much looking forward to the Evil Dead series as it should be more in line with the comical side.

[MahrinSkel]

A lot of the stuff from the original that was comical and over the top camp when it was stop-motion SFX and Campbell mugging for the cameras, was just dark and disturbing in the remake. In the original the tentacle rape scene was funny (probably unintentionally), you just couldn't take it seriously, in the remake it was was just *nasty*.

--Dave

[HaemishM]

Yeah, that was a lot of my problem with it. Removing the humor just made it icky and I'm not a huge fan of icky for icky's sake.

[Margalis]

ED2 was already basically a remake of ED1.

Also ED2 is amazing. Just the right amount of horror and ridiculousness mixed together.

[Paelos]

I thought the original Evil Dead was awful. So a remake would probably suck too.

Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness are great.

[jgsugden]

The new ED remake, to me, was like Disney doing a remake of Song of the South that retained 'a good old nostalgic look at slavery'.

At the time of release, both of the original versions of the films were acceptable.  Now, the subject matter is not acceptable, and the way it was used is offensive.

However, elements of the property have lived on and evolved into something that isn't offensive in the same way.  As a result, we have to be careful about how it is used and viewed to keep the offensive material from resurfacing within the scope of the current usage of the properties.

I think the new Evil Dead was a bit too nostalgic and failed to realize that we're not living in the 80s anymore.  That is why I'm looking forward to the new series and getting the property back into the hands that evolved the concept...

[HaemishM]

Uhhh, the remake was produced by Sam Raimi - he had every opportunity as producer to keep this from getting fucked up. Your post makes almost no literal sense whatsoever. What subject matter is not acceptable in this day and age that was in the '80's? Tentacle rape?

[jgsugden]

There was 1/10th of the sensitivity you find today.  People thought the tentacle rape was weird.  They did not object to it the way it is objected to now...

[Ruvaldt]

Did they include a tree rape scene in the remake?  I haven't actually seen it.  Honestly, the original Evil Dead isn't that bad, gore and violence-wise, when you compare it to some of its contemporaries. 

Also, if you think increasing sensitivity has resulted in tamer films you're out of your mind.  Go watch A Serbian Film or any number of other movies that have pushed boundaries over the past ten years.  Films, even mainstream films, are far more over the top and violent/gore filled than they have ever been.  The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre was R, and banned in many locations, for instance, and it didn't even have any blood in it.

[HaemishM]

What Ruvaldt said. This movie was like Hostel compared to the original version. And yes, there was tentacle rape in the new one though compared to anime, it was tame.

I literally have no idea what jgsugden is talking about.

[jgsugden]

I didn't say there was less violence /inappropriate content - just that the acceptance of it is less.  If you believe that rape scenes are received the same way as they were in the 80s....

[HaemishM]

I don't recall anyone objecting to the tentacle rape in the Evil Dead remake. At all. Ruvaldt here didn't even know it had been included in the new one, which would lead one to suggest that you are talking quite spectacularly out of your bunghole. Yes, people may be a bit more sensitive these days to rape scenes - which would be a true statement except that it has fuckall to do with this movie since there was no media uproar about the tentacle rape.

[Ruvaldt]

If you believe that rape scenes are received the same way as they were in the 80s....

You're right, but not in the way you think you are.  They aren't received the same way because they're more accepted now than they were then.

In the '80s I Spit on Your Grave was banned in many countries and areas for its brutal depiction of rape.  Same goes for The Last House on the Left.

Now?  They both have mainstream remakes that were shown to audiences across the world and raked in millions of dollars.  And don't tell me that's because they toned down the rape scenes.  The Last House on the Left remake's rape scene is much more gut-churning/difficult to watch than the original.

Also, Irreversible is a thing and it is from 2002.

[jgsugden]

Ugh.

Done.

[Sir T]

Don't blame you