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Aiwass
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200-400k every cherry picked fight, bonus good.
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Miguel
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New update brings some nice changes: 1) Just when Samwise thought there were no more goop upgrades 2) Can cancel spells with no penalty 3) Can use gold or goop for wall upgrades #3 is huge for me...it means you can dump extra gold and goop into the walls to prevent it from being stolen overnight while you sleep. :)
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Samwise
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1) Just when Samwise thought there were no more goop upgrades It never fucking fails. I'm all set to start the last PEKKA upgrade today and after that I was going to be done with goop. I really like that I can dump it into walls now, though. Previously I've just dumped it into dragons, which are mostly a waste. You missed the new troop type -- flying, heavy, targets anti-air, splits into smaller things when killed. Since anti-air is the main counter to healers and dragons I'm thinking it's a way to make those troops more viable.
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Miguel
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That unit only does 10 damage: I get the impression it's sole purpose is to tank for ballons and dragons?
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Samwise
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Wow, yeah. Although when it explodes into smaller things the smaller things do a lot more DPS and they'd probably be able to take the tower out on their own.
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TheWalrus
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Wonder what a couple hounds and swarm of minions looks like.
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dd0029
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Did they change healers? Mine have been locked on to my giants like leeches and completely ignoring anything else lately.
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Samwise
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I didn't see anything in the patch notes about healer AI changing. My recollection is that they just target the nearest damaged thing, so if your giants are continually taking damage a healer is going to tend to stay with it and ignore things that are getting hurt further away.
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TheWalrus
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Created a splinter clan. Keeping it small and active. You don't have to be on every day kinda thing, and we're restricting nublets to not having stupid layouts. Anyone wants in, look up Cereal Killers. Blue flag, white diagonal stripe. See ya on the field people.
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Samwise
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I'm loving the new loot bonuses. Even on a loss I make my money back on most war attacks now.
Finished the goop upgrades (again) so being able to dump spare goop into the walls is gonna be huge.
Also, if you've missed the couple of replays I've posted showing hounds, they're fun. My favorite thing about them is that when they explode the pups are dispersed across a very broad area, meaning they'll trigger mines before your minions do, end up in random blind spots where they can plink away at buildings unopposed, etc.
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schpain
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My understanding was they changed healers about 2-3 patches ago to follow clumps of units rather than single injured units. thus giant clumps get healer support, which i think i prefer to them attempting to split heal everything.
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Samwise
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I've come perilously close to this a few times only to have them add more stuff at the last second, but I've actually finished all my big money upgrades now (just now started the new giant upgrade they added recently), and it only took me about two and a half years. I'm protecting my town hall now and switching from resource stockpiling to trophy farming so I can get that achievement for hitting the top league. Apologies to those in the clan for sticking us with harder clan war targets. (edit) Current state of the union -- same basic layout I posted about a year ago on page 1 of this thread:
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« Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 08:04:47 PM by Samwise »
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eldaec
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I'm not sure what they use in war selection and ranking, but doesn't appear to be trophies. Possibly base value?
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Tairnyn
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The algorithm was described in an official forum post. It is both intended and quite common that players with a higher TH are left out of a Clan War. The ranking is not based on TH level, it based on trophy count, and then the level of defenses. Check out the following explanation of how matchmaking should work: - The first x # of players go to matchmaking depending on their trophy amount and the position in the clan For example, in a 10v10 clan war, if one clan has 14 members, the 10 highest trophied members will be the ones to go to war.
- Once a match is found, players are sorted on the map from strongest to weakest, in terms of defence power of their base, i.e., defense levels, hero levels, traps, etc.
- We do not take TH levels into account. Instead, we only use overall strength of all defence elements in player’s village. For example, a TH8 with higher level defenses than a TH9 will be ranked higher than the TH9 in the war map.
- XP has no bearing on the ranking of your war base on the war map
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Ghambit
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I've gotten burnt out on CoC in case you guys were wondering. And so begins the long search for a replacement. Have yet to find one.
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Samwise
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Seems like there's a million clones out there now so it shouldn't be hard, rite? Should I boot you from the clan or are you still dabbling?
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Ghambit
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Seems like there's a million clones out there now so it shouldn't be hard, rite? Should I boot you from the clan or are you still dabbling? Nah, keep me in unless I'm a drag. I figure my defense is enough to keep a few people occupied without getting completely pwned. I'll try to pop in more. As for clones, I've stayed away from them... looking in other genres. There's a serious lack of quality and definitely not anything we haven't already tried. I miss the good ol' days of The West, Die2Nite, and so forth.
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Samwise
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I'm still playing Minethings, aka EVE But More Boring.
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Miguel
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I know Samwise will hate me for posting this, but some "farm" calcs I made: - For 6 level 12 collectors, we have 3500*6 = 21K per hour goop/gold, or 504K per day
- A 250 gem, 1 week shield gives a total of 3.5M goop / gold, or 14K resources per gem
- A 1-week shield, fully boosted, yields 7M goop/gold, or 7M gold for 10.8K resources per gem
- Gem cost to instantly buy this comes out to 2K gems for 8M gold, or 4K resources per gem
These are per-resource - in reality, it is 28K per gem total resources (gold + goop), etcSo if you want to increase resources quickly without a lot of attacks, the 250 1-week gem done once per month is the most gem-efficient way of doing this.
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Samwise
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I don't hate you for it, it's just a waste since shedding trophies gets you the same immunity from attacks without costing any gems. As a side bonus it makes our clan war matchups easier.
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Maven
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Clash of <X> seems prominent in my Mobile Apps store.
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Miguel
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I don't hate you for it, it's just a waste since shedding trophies gets you the same immunity from attacks without costing any gems. As a side bonus it makes our clan war matchups easier. Shed down how far?
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IainC
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The matchmaking matches you within 220 trophies. So if you shed down far enough the only people who can attack you will (theoretically at least) be too weak to defeat your defences.
The best way to be immune is to do what the top clan did which is to set up an alt alliance and use that to keep hitting your real bases (using the revenge function). Do 40% damage to get a shield but without triggering any stars and without stealing any resources every time your main account shield drops.
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Strazos
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But how would that even work, since you cannot directly select your initial target? Do they just keep hitting "next" for hours until their primary base comes up?
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Samwise
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I don't hate you for it, it's just a waste since shedding trophies gets you the same immunity from attacks without costing any gems. As a side bonus it makes our clan war matchups easier. Shed down how far? Until you stop losing resources in raids. Put your town hall outside your defenses (which still cover your resources). Attackers will go for the free town hall win (this will also trigger your shield), but if your trophy count is sufficiently low they'll be too weak to take any resources from you. Even if they're able to take your resources they might not bother if they already got a win off you with minimal investment, since they can take the rest of their army and go attack someone else instead. The more trophies you lose the weaker the attackers will be and the less likely they'll be able to go for your resources even if they wanted to; you'll figure out pretty quickly when you've reached the appropriate equilibrium. The downside to shedding trophies is that you'll earn less resources in the attacks you make -- but if you buy a one week shield you can't make attacks at all (since attacks would break the shield). So there's no benefit in doing the shield thing vs the exposed town hall and lose trophies thing. But do what makes you happy, I won't hate you for it. The alt alliance thing sounds like it would only work if you were making a HUGE number of random attacks looking for the right targets, but maybe it's easier when you're way up there in the trophy rankings since the pool is smaller. Either way I don't think that's a realistic option for filthy casuals like us, and it feels like cheating anyway.
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« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 11:42:05 AM by Samwise »
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IainC
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Attackers will go for the free town hall win (this will also trigger your shield)
Destroying the HQ will win a star but it won't automatically trigger the shield. Shields are based on percentage of the base destroyed and not on stars. There is a window where you can lose and not get a shield. The alt alliance thing worked because they were the top players on the server and in a very small pool of trophy points. They would take it in turns to drop from the alliance and join the alt alliance and would then hit next opponent over and again until they got one of their friends. Because there were so few of them in the matchmaking pool, it didn't take all that long for this to happen. It's not a thing you can do if you're further down the ranking. I did chat with one of the top 10 players who said he had a Lego robot attached to a capacitative stylus that kept his iPad alive (he had one dedicated solely to running the CoC app 24/7) when he was asleep or away from his desk. Being constantly online makes you immune to attack also. You can decide how much you value your sanity. I deconstructed the fuck out of CoC as research for my last project.
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« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 12:35:57 PM by IainC »
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Samwise
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Attackers will go for the free town hall win (this will also trigger your shield)
Destroying the HQ will win a star but it won't automatically trigger the shield. Shields are based on percentage of the base destroyed and not on stars. There is a window where you can lose and not get a shield. You've got it backwards, I think. The shield is triggered on any loss (even if it's only the TH) -- I have observed this many many many times. I make an attack, my shield breaks, a few minutes later somebody attacks me for a 4% win, and I have a 12 hour shield. The shield is ALSO triggered on a successful defense if the destruction is above 40%, so there's a window where you get a shield AND a win, not the other way around. This is so that if somebody reams you for half your resources but doesn't quite tip it over into a win, you at least don't get double-whammied by somebody else immediately after. This is also easy to observe from the attacker's side because it tells you when the defender's shield has been activated. It's quite possible that the mechanics have changed since you did your research; all I know for sure is that's how it works now. :)
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« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 02:02:04 PM by Samwise »
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Miguel
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This is so that if somebody reams you for half your resources but doesn't quite tip it over into a win, you at least don't get double-whammied by somebody else immediately after.
This actually has happened to me a few times: I once was reamed for 200K resources with 35% damage, followed by another 200K resources with 37% damage, then a complete steamroll for 250K. 650K of each resource looted in the span of about 45 minutes. I do actually have my TH mostly exposed: guarded by only a single Xbow. I found if it was completely exposed, people would kill the TH, then use whatever troops they had left for opportunistic leeching from the resource collectors. Moving it closer as to be covered by a single Xbow (and close enough so that any archer shooting at the TH gets hit) means most people burn through 100+ troops to kill the TH, then leave with their 1K loot. I didn't realize about the 220 trophy count thing: I'll try dropping down into the 700's and see if I have better luck. I was always consistently staying around 1K trophies so that I would find targets with more loot, but it doesn't offset the losses.
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Samwise
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I do actually have my TH mostly exposed: guarded by only a single Xbow. I found if it was completely exposed, people would kill the TH, then use whatever troops they had left for opportunistic leeching from the resource collectors. Moving it closer as to be covered by a single Xbow (and close enough so that any archer shooting at the TH gets hit) means most people burn through 100+ troops to kill the TH, then leave with their 1K loot.
Yeah, I do something similar using teslas and traps, although it's more to prevent base streamrolling -- sniping resource collectors isn't an issue since there's not usually very much in them (average time between when I make an attack and collect all my resources to when I get raided is about 15 minutes). The one downside of not having the TH be completely undefended is that weaker attackers (who pose no threat of rolling you over) may pass you up, increasing the chances that a stronger attacker will be the one to hit you. Dropping trophies should help in either case.
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Maven
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Yikes, can someone give me the 60 second pitch on this game? Time investment? Comparisons to others (Travian)? Necessity of clans? Etc. I see this is highly rated though it lacks the supermodel Athena (sarcasm).
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Samwise
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Yikes, can someone give me the 60 second pitch on this game?
You could look at the first post in the thread from two and a half years ago. Clash of ClansiOS PvP tower defense/attack game. You build a village, try to optimize its defensive layout, build troops, and then attack other villages to try to steal their shit. I was worried it'd be a hardcore game where you lose months of work when you fuck up, but attacks never actually damage your town, just your troops and resources, which are easy to regain. And the game doesn't let you target specific players, nor does it let anyone get plundered multiple times a day. Troops can't be controlled directly; you pick where to deploy them and then they do their thing. A big part of the game is therefore trying to manipulate the troop AI -- build defensive patterns that will funnel them to their deaths, etc. To answer your specific points: time investment is short bursts of maybe three minutes at a time (takes about that long to make an attack, then there's enforced downtime while you wait for your barracks to build troops for another attack. Unlike Travian, you don't suffer permanent damage to your village if you go inactive for a while and someone raids you a lot; you also can't be targeted by a clan and griefed repeatedly because matchmaking is randomized. Being in a clan gives you some minor cooperative benefits (you have a spot for extra troops that can only be filled by donations from clanmates, and you can do "clan wars" which give you extra loot), but it's completely viable to play solo and ignore all that stuff. Being in a clan does not make you more or less vulnerable to attack.
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Miguel
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One feature that I'm really wishing for: a saved "army" configuration.
I typically train the following troop load (220 housing):
1) 8 wallbreakers (2 per training center) 2) 8 giants (2 per training center) 3) 44 barbs (11 per training center) 4) 120 archers (30 per training center)
Having to type those in every time is a real PITA. I wish there was a screen with up to 4 "army compositions/loadouts", and I hit a single button and it trains all 220 worth at once.
For wars, I have been trying:
1) 12 baloons (3 per) 2) 4 dragons (1 per) 3) 40 minions (20 per)
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Samwise
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Yeah, I'd love for it to be easier to queue troops up. I tend to use army loadouts where each barracks is producing one type of troop and the ratios are a function of training time -- in other words things where I just max out each barracks's queue with one kind of guy. Currently I do 1 lava hound, 55 minions, and 20 balloons. (Only annoying thing about that loadout is that 1 dark barracks will only queue 45 minions, so if I don't remember to come in and top up the queue before it finishes, it throws things off -- not a big deal, it just takes a little longer and I end up with a few more balloons.)
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IainC
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Note that you can add and train an additional unit beyond what your barracks will hold. I would queue up my normal stuff (IIRC, Dragons, healers, bombers and then a mix of barbarians and archers) so that each queue was about the same length then add another dragon to the end once there was room. That way the dragon would be ready as soon as I had barracks space saving me the training time after a battle. It also placed the elixir needed to train those units out of stealing range.
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Samwise
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Yeah, with my army setup it should in theory take 45 minutes because of the lava hound but in practice it takes about half an hour to field a new army because I'll usually have a huge head start from having one already in the pipe. That's one of the main reasons I keep it simple and just dedicate each barracks to one troop type, it's easier to keep the pipeline full.
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