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Reply #70 on: October 17, 2012, 08:35:44 AM

Pretty sure this patch was aimed at people currently farming act 3, you would thnk they would aim a patch at people currently not playing at all.  I wonder though at the upped loot quality on killing bosses for the 1st time, I am hesitant to kill any myself until I have more info and/or can kill them at a higher monster power.  I did 50 or so WR runs last night (mostly on mp 2 but some 3 and some 0) and I am pretty sure I will not be continuing down that route.  No items below 58 dropping is nice but 99% of items are still total crap.
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Reply #71 on: October 17, 2012, 09:18:33 AM

I don't really agree, at least not in full. They certainly added some stuff for end game people (Infernal Machine).  But overall it seems like there is a lot of stuff to make people who aren't playing interested to try it again.

1) Monster Power - a lot of people loved this in Diablo 2.  This isn't just an end game feature, you can use this while leveling to make the game a bit more chellenging and to give yourself a better chance at loot drops.

2) Nerfed Inferno damage - Inferno is WAY more accessible now.  Lots of people quit when they realized how long they would have to farm Inferno Act 1.  The game is now wide open to these types of people who have a level 60, but felt hemmed in.  They can now progress AND they have better chance at loot along the way.  Act 3 monster power 0 is basically the "easy" end game which people had in Diablo 2.  

3) Rebalanced defensive skills.  For the average player the damage/defensive skill changes are a nice thing, as the game is now less focused around damage mitigation and more on damage dealing - this is more fun to most people.   At higher end MP, yes, defensive builds are probably still going to matter more, but we are specifically talking about people who might want to come back to the game.

3) Higher percentage chance drops on Sets and Legendaries mean more shinies for everyone.

Obviously there are some ultra high-end late game additions here, but they also addressed some major reasons people left the game, but this patch gives people a reason to at least give the game another try as it addresses several of the major issues which I've heard here (and elsewhere).

As for me personally, I just did a couple runs last night.  I had already played on the PTR so I knew more or less what I was getting into.  My DH who was able to slog through Act 3 before the patch was able to do MP 2 without much difficulty, and the loot WAS noticeably better.  I have 3 fresh 60s, and I found about 4 upgrades for those characters in about 2 hours of play.  The fact that level 63 monsters allow level 63 affixes on all item drops is noticeable.   I got some level 61-62 items which had very nice stats for a new level 60.

Lastly, 99% of items being total crap is how Diablo has always been.  The thing they needed to address was how loot drops *felt.*  A lot of people felt like they were slogging through overly difficult content for a tiny chance at something that was 1/2 way decent, let alone good.  Now they are going to be able to do easier content, much faster, for a better chance.  It *does* feel different, even if the vast majority of items you find are still going to be vendored.
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Reply #72 on: October 17, 2012, 12:07:39 PM

Totally agree Malakili.

I've not played for months, this has brought me back, along with 2 of my friends who'd also stopped. Remains to be seen how long we'll stay but even if all we do is a couple of group runs every now and again it's more than not playing at all.

I spent an hour today playing my lvl 50 wizard on MP3. 4 levels in 1 hour, one legendary drop and enough rares that I made about 1m gold from the AH. Was also a nice challenge. At the start of the hour MP3 was easy (Act 1 Hell). By the end of the hour (late Act 2 Hell) MP3 was starting to feel really tough. Instead of just thinking that I had to go farm the AH I just turned MP down to 2 and it felt good again.

I think we're playing TF2 later but if not then I'll fire this up again and have a go in Inferno and see how it is.

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Reply #73 on: October 17, 2012, 12:12:55 PM

I'm loving 1.0.5 because it gives me some purpose while farming. I would go so far as to say it doesn't even feel like farming. More like running heroics in wow to gear up. I have a specific destination, for a specific boss that drops a specific item i need. All the while amassing paragon XP, gold, and loot.

Things I'm currently loving:
- "search for similar" in the ah
- resplendent chests and events awarding NV stacks
- the entire Hellfire Ring process
- the new monster health based difficulty system (feels more solid and defense/offense balanced)

Things I'm not digging:
- no MP in public games (forces people back to chat channels to organize runs, which isn't bad, but feels like a step backwards)

I have a feeling they are still trying to dev a solution for MP in public games. I'm hoping they drop the quest based matchmaking in favor of Act based matchmaking.

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Reply #74 on: October 17, 2012, 12:53:06 PM

This game 20 bucks yet?
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Reply #75 on: October 17, 2012, 01:06:05 PM



Things I'm not digging:
- no MP in public games (forces people back to chat channels to organize runs, which isn't bad, but feels like a step backwards)

I have a feeling they are still trying to dev a solution for MP in public games. I'm hoping they drop the quest based matchmaking in favor of Act based matchmaking.

If they would just allow people to create games with names that are listed publicly (like in Diablo 2) it would sidestep the entire problem.  "Act 3 MP3 runs!" for example.  I really hope they allow this eventually, but I, sadly, don't expect it. (Off topic, but I wish they would do that with Starcraft 2 also - whatever Battle.net 2.0 design principles they were going for have been largely a failure - pretty much across the board everyone prefers Batte.net from Diablo 2/Starcraft 1/Warcraft 3).
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Reply #76 on: October 17, 2012, 01:19:23 PM

They nerfed a bunch of the Inferno stuff already in 1.0.4 I think it was, most people who were struggling should already have been unblocked by that. I know I was.

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Reply #77 on: October 17, 2012, 02:45:14 PM



Things I'm not digging:
- no MP in public games (forces people back to chat channels to organize runs, which isn't bad, but feels like a step backwards)

I have a feeling they are still trying to dev a solution for MP in public games. I'm hoping they drop the quest based matchmaking in favor of Act based matchmaking.

If they would just allow people to create games with names that are listed publicly (like in Diablo 2) it would sidestep the entire problem.  "Act 3 MP3 runs!" for example.  I really hope they allow this eventually, but I, sadly, don't expect it.

It would be insane if they weren't working on it. I think it's just one of those things that got pushed to the next patch. I seem to remember reading a blue post saying they were working on it.

In the meantime if anyone wants to group hit me up at Vanberg#1132

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Reply #78 on: October 17, 2012, 03:12:45 PM


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Reply #79 on: October 17, 2012, 04:00:22 PM

<insert "It is!  Buy Torchlight 2" reference here>

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Reply #80 on: October 17, 2012, 06:41:49 PM

Maybe v1.06 will have fishing.

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Reply #81 on: October 17, 2012, 10:02:23 PM

So Monster Power 1 evens out the loot curve so that Act 1 MP1 gives the same loot as Act 3 would? In terms of iL63 stuff dropping?
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Reply #82 on: October 17, 2012, 10:29:51 PM

So Monster Power 1 evens out the loot curve so that Act 1 MP1 gives the same loot as Act 3 would? In terms of iL63 stuff dropping?

Once you turn MP on to any level at all, it evens out all the Acts on Inferno difficulty.  So, turn on MP and farm wherever you want.
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Reply #83 on: October 18, 2012, 03:08:24 AM

Hit 60 on my 2nd Wiz this morning, went to do the Happy 60th shopping trip and was pleasantly surprised to discover that the gold AH was far better than the RMAH. 100x more items at both top and bottom ends. Sure, gold prices for the top stuff were ludicrous but that stuff wasn't even on the RMAH at all.

This is the GBP RMAH though, may be a different story on the Euro/USD ones.

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Reply #84 on: October 19, 2012, 02:37:57 AM

My follower is mocking me. Open a chest and she says "That treasure could be useful to us!"



 Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #85 on: October 19, 2012, 02:46:17 AM

Did a run up to Skeleton King with MP set to 1, the loot is abundant and better than anything I've seen before - got some nice set boots, loads of rares with resist all, etc. Seems like a really good patch.

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Reply #86 on: October 19, 2012, 02:54:26 AM

Yeah, I'm still on MP0 with my new wiz (elite packs hurt me bad on MP1 or above) but there is loot raining out of the sky. Got 3 legendaries since the patch, one of which I'm holding in my hand in that pic up there.

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Reply #87 on: October 19, 2012, 08:35:48 AM

Finally got a good legendary to drop, hooray.  Nice Meepo of Twilight! 

I think the fact that all rares can roll stats based on monster level (which will always be 63 when MP is turned on) is the unsung hero of this patch.  All of those level 61-62 rares that used to drop and be worthless can now roll really nice stats, found ilvl 62 pants yesterday with ~150 dex/vit, 2 sockets and 17% MF.  Would have been impossible before the patch.
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Reply #88 on: October 19, 2012, 11:43:35 AM

MP3 feels about right for # of kills vs. time to kill each elite pack.  Still only one legendary over the last two days, though.  A wizard wand with the last property being "This wand finds your death humorous."

Wonder if it actually does anything  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #89 on: October 19, 2012, 12:15:50 PM

It literally just plays a deep/evil laugh when you die.

I think that want is decent though, depending on how well it rolled.
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Reply #90 on: October 19, 2012, 03:30:55 PM

Been playing MP1 with my DH.  I haven't gotten squat.  No good items.  No legendaries.  No set items.

Patch blows.

GAH prices are down, but I'm not playing to buy form the AH.  Itemization still blows (item attributes/specials is what I'm talking about).  Probably I should be a bit more charitable that they are moving in the right direction, but it took them all that time for this?
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Reply #91 on: October 20, 2012, 06:40:10 AM

Random loot is random.

I did a couple of MP1 Act 3 runs earlier and picked up another 2 legendaries (which are banked for if I get the urge to play my DH) and a rare that sold for 1.5m two mins after I put it on the AH.

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Reply #92 on: October 20, 2012, 06:43:45 AM

MP 1 is about right.  Not sure it is any more fun, although I was excited that I sold something on the AH for more than 5000 gold for once.

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Reply #93 on: October 20, 2012, 09:09:17 AM

The one bad part about my alt playing is that I have a 60 of each class, which makes me hesistant to sell almost any good loot.  But it is probably more efficient in the long run to gear up one character as well as I can first.
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Reply #94 on: October 22, 2012, 01:20:05 PM

So yeah, those set boots sold for ~80 million after AH cut. Major upgrades for Mr. Witch Doctor incoming.

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Reply #95 on: October 23, 2012, 02:36:36 AM

Is Diablo 3 enjoyable now without perusing the AH or are you still SOL if you want to ignore that particular part of the game?
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Reply #96 on: October 23, 2012, 08:36:50 AM

Is Diablo 3 enjoyable now without perusing the AH or are you still SOL if you want to ignore that particular part of the game?

I don't think there is any way we can answer this for you.  I can save I've found a lot of upgrades since this patch, but I have also used the AH some.  Your best bet is just to play some and see if it is more to your liking.  Drops are certainly a lot better, particularly in Inferno difficulty.
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Reply #97 on: October 23, 2012, 08:43:04 AM

Does this game have an offline mode yet ?

No ?

Ok then.

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Reply #98 on: October 23, 2012, 01:35:17 PM

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Reply #99 on: October 25, 2012, 01:17:57 AM

Is Diablo 3 enjoyable now without perusing the AH or are you still SOL if you want to ignore that particular part of the game?

Sure, but your gearing and progress will be much slower. If you avoid the AH then 99.9% of your drops will be completely useless to you, just like Diablo 2. If you use the AH then every single drop you get is useful to you, even if it's just vendor trash because that 700g is incremental progress towards buying some gear.

Of course you can always craft stuff, which is the D3 equivalent of Gheed gambling, but again it'll be a lot, lot slower (and more expensive) than using the AH, but the option is there.

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Reply #100 on: October 25, 2012, 10:06:16 AM

I feel like I could have avoided the AH entirely and be better equipped than I am now if I had chosen a DH.  I have had some well rolled DH set pants, a dex based Vile Ward, a decent Dannetta's xbow, thousands of quivers to choose from and it seems like dex is frequently the highest rolled core stat on most of the yellow drops I have.
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Reply #101 on: October 27, 2012, 12:09:10 PM

I feel like I could have avoided the AH entirely and be better equipped than I am now if I had chosen a DH.  I have had some well rolled DH set pants, a dex based Vile Ward, a decent Dannetta's xbow, thousands of quivers to choose from and it seems like dex is frequently the highest rolled core stat on most of the yellow drops I have.

Was this just an accident? I got more DH drops than any other class on my monk and WD. Ridiculously more.

If you want to avoid the AH, play Torchlight II. Plenty o' useable drops and no auction house.
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Reply #102 on: October 27, 2012, 06:00:46 PM

I'm only to 58, but most of the yellow drops I've gotten have been for DH as well.  And all three legendaries were DH or generics with lots of dex. Enough that if I start another toon, it'll be a DH
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Reply #103 on: October 28, 2012, 04:58:23 AM

If you want to avoid the AH, play Torchlight II. Plenty o' useable drops and no auction house.

Which is what I'm doing at the moment. I just asked because I thought I might get some more enjoyable gameplay out of my 60 dollar purchase. I guess not.
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Reply #104 on: October 28, 2012, 08:29:17 AM

If you want to avoid the AH, play Torchlight II. Plenty o' useable drops and no auction house.

Which is what I'm doing at the moment. I just asked because I thought I might get some more enjoyable gameplay out of my 60 dollar purchase. I guess not.


At the very highest levels of the game, you are going to need to use the AH or trade to some degree.  I've got level 60 of each class right now. My "main" - the demon hunter - has extensively used the AH.  Every other character is largely geared without it, or maybe the occasional piece I happen to pick up when looking for something else that was just too good a deal to pass up.  Since the 1.0.5, Inferno is quite doable even with less than optimal gear, so you should feel less pressure to use the AH in that case.  Anything pre-inferno absolutely doesn't require it, and depending on what you like you can turn on Monster Power while leveling to up your experience gain and magic find chances. 

1.0.5 is a big enough change that I think anyone who is interested at all should check it out.
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