Inferno Mode

[Azuredream]

This is just my experience, but a lot more gold drops in Inferno than Hell. In Hell the big stacks were 500ish but in Inferno you get piles of 1000 not infrequently. If you can do Act I Inferno I'm pretty sure even if you get complete crap as drops the gold intake alone will set it far apart from farming in Hell.

[waffel]

Personal observation:

Inferno for a Wizard/DH/WD is a completely different experience than for a Monk/Barb.

Monk/Barbs require far more gear farming, stacking tons of resists and armor and picking all defensive talents. The ranged classes don't have nearly the same gear and spec requirements.

[Lakov_Sanite]

well, monk/barb are tanks and the rest are dps.  I honestly feel like that melee classes should have a lot more innate survivability since right now you have o build uber tanky and its just not fun to play while the other classes get to pew pew all over the place.

[Thrawn]

It's pretty bad, as near as I can guess for the amount of gold you need to spend on the AH to gear a Barbarian for Inferno Act 2 you could gear a Wizard, a Demon Hunter and a Witch Doctor who could all clear it faster.

I haven't read much Monk stuff but I would assume they are almost in the same situation.

[Ragnoros]

Thrawn is correct. But this video guide helped me a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdO0rBVFHm0&feature=youtu.be

[Thrawn]

Thrawn is correct. But this video guide helped me a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdO0rBVFHm0&feature=youtu.be

Sad part is...I did that exact thing last night, started a DH. 

[Abelian75]

Thrawn is correct. But this video guide helped me a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdO0rBVFHm0&feature=youtu.be

That's pretty hilarious.  I especially liked the bit at the end about "This method for gearing your monk is extremely powerful, so Blizzard will most likely nerf monks to compensate."

[Tairnyn]

Found a pretty solid Inferno strategy that is captured well in this guide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEyk63UaBI4

[01101010]

Found a pretty solid Inferno strategy that is captured well in this guide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEyk63UaBI4

/clap

Will definitely watch again. 

[calapine]

Yes, learned a thing or two here. Flawless kiting

[calapine]

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[Amaron]

Searching for All Armor > 50 Res All > 80 Vit > 80 Str for Maximum 500k gives me 1 item.  Doing the same for Dex gives me a full page. Doing the same for Int gives me 2 pages.  

Maybe I don't understand barb gear.   Why can't you get a lot of vit on one piece and a lot of str on another piece?  Right now on the ah shoulders: 156 str 69 all res +5% life going for 40k buyout!!! There's tons of them like that.  Vit is more expensive but it's still cheap as hell.    You can stack it on other pieces and put it in sockets and make out pretty well for very cheap.

Shoulders like that for dex cost two mil minimum.   If you try and do dex/vit that's still going for 1.2 mil right now.   The only pieces where 80dex/80vit sell for under 500k are special pieces where it's easy to get a lot of stats or where DH want something else like attack speed/movement speed/whatever.   Even those pieces still cost 300k.

I'm seriously considering making a Barb because dex gear is retarded like this.    I hear it's hard but I'm confused as to why when you can get all this gear for practically nothing.   For anyone who is currently leveling a monk I strongly urge you to reconsider because you're getting the pain of melee with the highest gear costs in the game for sure.

[Thrawn]

For the same reasons a Monk can't just get a few Dex and a few Vit pieces and get through.  You need Str and Vit and All Resist high or you aren't progressing through Inferno.

Going from Monk to Barb would be the same problems except maybe worse because Barbs don't have the passive making all resist equal the highest one.  So you MUST get high + ALL resist gear with high Str and high Vit.  The stuff with only 2 out of 3 the is cheap because it's not good enough to get you through Inferno so people don't want it.  I would guess the Dex stuff is more expensive because a DH can just get high Dex and a lot less Vit/AR because they can kite so much so you are competing with them for the gear.

I currently have 900 str, 1200 Vit, 14k dps and 826 all resist and I can't get through Act 2 solo as a Barbarian without dying a LOT.  Something needs to be done about melee vs ranged in Inferno, I just have no idea what.

[Amaron]

For the same reasons a Monk can't just get a few Dex and a few Vit pieces and get through.  You need Str and Vit and All Resist high or you aren't progressing through Inferno.

Wait I'm confused.   Why can't you get by with cheap +str and cheap +vit items?   I'm talking items with lots of +all res here.   You can't get such items when you're talking dex.   I mean look at your stats.   Even with the crazy monk passive to get equivalent on a monk would cost you 50 million MINIMUM.   You really spent that much on Barb gear?

[Thrawn]

Ha, I'm confused now too I guess.  Where are you finding gear with +Str, +Vit and +50 or more all resists for cheap?  If it doesn't have all 3, it's not good enough and you will just die.  Yes, I've spent millions on Barb gear and I still can't kill more than 50% of the packs I find in Act 2.  My next step would be a Stormshield (4m-10m) a Helm of Command (2-5m) and a Justice Lantern (2-5m), instead of doing that I started a Demon Hunter instead.  Monks and Barbarians are in the same boat of needing to spend like 20mil+ if you want to progress as well as the ranged classes.

[Ingmar]

You guys are talking past each other.

Amaron is saying instead of buying 2 items with 80+ str, 80+ vit, and 50 resists, buy 2 items, one with 160 str and 50 resists, and one with 160 vit and 50 resists.

Thrawn is saying that if an item doesn't have all 3 it can't be good enough period.

I don't know which one of you is right but hopefully your argument is at least clear now. 

[Thrawn]

I dunno, could of been more fun to just go back and forth confused for pages.  

If you switch from Monk to Barb because of gear requirements and costs compared to other classes...it will be the same issue, possibly worse.  It's just a melee vs ranged problem from what I understand.  Monk/Barb HAVE to take the hits as well as putting out enough damage.  Every other class can kite from range.

[Amaron]

Ha, I'm confused now too I guess.  Where are you finding gear with +Str, +Vit and +50 or more all resists for cheap?  If it doesn't have all 3, it's not good enough and you will just die.  

Ok this is why I'm confused.   Why does it have to have all 3?  It's actually a lot cheaper to get high total numbers in each category if you only get 2 out of the 3 on each piece.   The most expensive part is going to be items with lots of vit and all res.  Compared to trying to put together a set of items with str/vit/all res though it's much cheaper.

[amiable]

The funny thing is in hardcore the exact opposite is true.  Basically all of the high level characters are barbs, monks and a few crazy WD.  There are hardly any wiz's or Dh's because they all die before they hit inferno.  Basically all farming in inferno is done by those three classes.  (Of course no one I know of has gotten past Act 2 yet in HC inferno).

[Thrawn]

Ok this is why I'm confused.   Why does it have to have all 3?  It's actually a lot cheaper to get high total numbers in each category if you only get 2 out of the 3 on each piece.   The most expensive part is going to be items with lots of vit and all res.  Compared to trying to put together a set of items with str/vit/all res though it's much cheaper.

5 items with 150 Str and 5 items with 150 Vit = 750 str/750 Vit
10 items with 150 Str AND 150 Vit = 1500 Str/1500 Str

1500 of a stat is much better then 750.

[Azuredream]

The funny thing is in hardcore the exact opposite is true.  Basically all of the high level characters are barbs, monks and a few crazy WD.  There are hardly any wiz's or Dh's because they all die before they hit inferno.  Basically all farming in inferno is done by those three classes.  (Of course no one I know of has gotten past Act 2 yet in HC inferno).

Well yeah, ranged can do the later acts with much less gear than the other classes but what usually doesn't also get mentioned is how much you die and how little room for error you have.

[Arinon]

The funny thing is in hardcore the exact opposite is true.  Basically all of the high level characters are barbs, monks and a few crazy WD.  There are hardly any wiz's or Dh's because they all die before they hit inferno.  Basically all farming in inferno is done by those three classes.  (Of course no one I know of has gotten past Act 2 yet in HC inferno).

Once you can reliably tank mob packs you have a HUGE margin of safety versus being able to kite.  You can also take this skill into MP games as the incoming damage scales up very little where as the HP doubles/triples etc.

As ranged you can progress faster and there is certainly no room for complaining but you still die a lot because one mistake or lag hiccup and you bite it.  Not sure how they can make melee work without trivializing it once you get past the hump.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Melee getting the shaft is because this game seems to have been made with the tank/healer/dps paradigm except they left out the healer.

[Amaron]

  Not sure how they can make melee work without trivializing it once you get past the hump.

Once they make it possible in reasonable gear people are always going to trade off DPS till they get to a level of survivability they enjoy.   The idea of gear checks providing difficulty in an RNG loot game was broken from the start.

[Azuredream]

I was inspired by this guy's video to buy a set of magic find gear (It's at 229 without any NV stacks) to swap into when the champions are down to critical health and let Tyrael finish them off. It's increased the amount of rares I get by a ridiculous amount.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4VBcpy2-8A

[Samprimary]

Greetings from Inferno; I have no life. Pity me. What does the sun look like? I have forgotten.

[Rokal]

I'm actually enjoying inferno. A big part of it I'm sure is that I finally caught up to some friends, and the game is certainly more fun with 3-4 people (especially as a barb with tons of defensive gear). I had played through all of normal and some of nightmare/hell in a duo, but large groups are even better. The gear I'm finding is at-level so even if most items I get are terrible I have a reasonable chance of finding items myself or friends might want too. Nephalem Valor also turns bosses into the loot explosion I always wanted from a Diablo game.

The cost of gear may seem prohibitive, but I've found that the key (suggested in the barb thread) is to search for gear that isn't perfect. If you can get a piece of 40 resist all, 100 vit gear for 80k, and a piece of 40 resist all 100 str gear in another slot for 40k, why spend 400k on the 20 resist all, 70 vit, 70 str item? I've done a decent job gearing out my barb and I'm starting to make progress in act 2, and it didn't take 100+ butcher runs to get there. If you look for gear that has stats you want but isn't primary attribute/vit/res-all, you'll find lots of great deals.

[Azuredream]

Greetings from Inferno; I have no life. Pity me. What does the sun look like? I have forgotten.
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Don't worry comrade, I too have no knowledge of this "sun"

[Paelos]

I was wondering why I saw you on all the time. 

[Samprimary]

 

I was wondering why I saw you on all the time. 

it was worse for me. Deeblo came out right as I was coming down with a persistent cough and flu.

[Xanthippe]

Inferno mode lessens my desire to play.

I'm finding that it's more fun to play an alt through hell.

[Llyse]

Inferno mode lessens my desire to play.

I'm finding that it's more fun to play an alt through hell.

I have a love hate relationship with inferno. The progression/killing champion mobs is much greater but there's also much more screaming and wailing and death spamming to kill or even lure champion stacks away from quest progression.

[apocrypha]

^^ My barb after spending just over 700k on gear for Inferno. Coping alright so far in Act 1 - just about to do Wortham. Only a couple of deaths up to this point. DPS is low but resists of 500+, 54k life and 500 life on hit make surviving feasible!

Problem is that upgrades from this point on are stupidly expensive, millions per slot expensive. I think Blizzard really dropped the ball with the farmable Resplendent Chests. Lots of people have spent the last couple of weeks just looking for chests & quests they can farm and then doing just that constantly until Blizz nerf each one individually. As a result those kinds of players now have millions and millions of gold while those of us who prefer to play the actual game have no affordable upgrades on the AH!

The gold sellers must be loving this game. Blizzard have forgotten every single thing they learned about how to control the gold farming & selling business over 7 years of WoW.

Edit to say that the barb was my first character to complete Hell Act IV at level 59. I had to farm it for 1/4 level to unlock Inferno :)

[Ironwood]

Purty.

[Ingmar]

I hit level 60 like halfway through Act 3 and I still haven't finished 4 yet. I don't really see myself going onto Inferno.