Ender's Game: Apparently can get you fired...

[luckton]

..because it's has pornography?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/19/south-carolina-teacher-suspended-for-reading-enders-game-to-middle-school-students/

In South Carolina a teacher has been placed on administrative leave for reading excerpts of Orson Scott Card’s science fiction classic Ender’s Game to his middle school students.

“The parent that reported him to the school district complained that the book was pornographic,” Tod Kelly writes. “[T]hat same parent also asked the local police to file criminal charges against the teacher. As of today, the police have not yet decided whether or not to file charges (which is probably a good sign that they won’t). The school district, however, appears to agree with the parent, is considering firing the teacher and will be eliminating the book from the school.

This is one of the American Library Association's top 100 books for teens, and a teacher is maybe getting fired and the book is getting banned because said teacher read said book to teenagers.

Can someone refresh my memory on where in the book I can find the part that goes "bow-chicka-wow-wow?"

 

Edit: Grammar and spelling are awesome!

[Merusk]

They mention naked little boys who are supposed to be ~10 in showers.  Porn!

[HaemishM]

How can you find pr0n in Ender's Game... ANYWHERE? I mean, there does seem to be some uncomfortable hints at an incestuous bond between Ender and his sister but there's certainly nothing whatsoever porngraphic about any of it. Annoying... but not pr0n.

[Miasma]

The news story has been updated like four times now and each time the facts change.  Now it says something about reading off the internet a story about hookers getting cummed on their faces...

In other crazy news 14 people were fired by a law firm for wearing orange colored shirts.

[Ironwood]

It has the word Buggers in it.

Also, written by a Mormon.

Also, Romney is a Mormon.

Also, Card hates Gays.

Also, Gays love sex.

Also, Book is Pornographic.

Who the fuck knows with your country anymore.  Like Rome before the fucking fall.  Just drink from those lead pipes.

[bhodi]

This is JUUUUST silly enough to go into serious business. I think we can all have a good laugh and as long as the topic doesn't take a one way trip down the retard road this is where it'll stay.

After all, they just found the mention of a bruised testicle specifically deviant.

[Ironwood]

It's going to help the movie sales.

[Ingmar]

I know I should be upset about censorship but most of me just wants to laugh at Card getting a taste of his own ideology's medicine.

[tgr]

Surely there'll be lawsuits following both the teacher's issues and the orange shirt guys getting fired.

[MahrinSkel]

Surely there'll be lawsuits following both the teacher's issues and the orange shirt guys getting fired.

The orange shirt guys apparently can't sue *because* the firing was random and without real cause.  Got to love "At Will" employment states.

--Dave

[tgr]

Well, that sucks ass.

[Morat20]

Surely there'll be lawsuits following both the teacher's issues and the orange shirt guys getting fired.

The orange shirt guys apparently can't sue *because* the firing was random and without real cause.  Got to love "At Will" employment states.

--Dave

I understand they COULD sue if, in fact, they were wearing the shirts as a protest. It'd be fun to see them go to court over that -- since the boss obviously thought he was firing protestors, would the case turn on what the boss believed at the time? Or what was true?

As to this story, now it's evolved into three books (Ender's Game, an Agatha Christie novel and something else) and supposedly the uproar is over some lurid, non-book passages the teacher supposedly read in class involving explicit sex closer to the "Shit I read on Literotica" than "Steamy Romance Aisle" stuff.

Of course, I take that with a grain of salt. It's possible the teacher did, in fact, go crazy and decide that was a good thing to read aloud.

OTOH, kids lie a lot. Especially about teachers and school. And parents eat that shit up. Whether or not you get fired because little Johnny decided to protest his English grade by claiming you read Penthouse Letters to the class would then depend entirely on how much hassle the principle was willing to accept, and how strong your teacher's union is.

Generally it's "very little" and "depends on the state, but sadly not the 900lb Gorilla people often think it is".

[Cyrrex]

Well, that sucks ass.

Your comment above was obviously pornographic and in poor taste.  Mods!  I demand that tgr be fired from F13!

[Bunk]

The news story has been updated like four times now and each time the facts change.  Not it says something about reading off the internet a story about hookers getting cummed on their faces...

In other crazy news 14 people were fired by a law firm for wearing orange colored shirts.

God Bless America and your freedom to get fired for anything. Do you all have any idea how ass backwards the mere idea of "at will" employment sounds to the rest of the world?

[Chimpy]

The vast majority of U.S. posters on this board are fully aware that our country's "greatness" is pure surrealist comedy for the rest of humanity. Of course, we are not a majority of people in this country or shit would be a changing.

[Tebonas]

Communist talk like this makes the Job Creators not create Jobs. I hope you are aware of that, job killer.

On a more serious note, how is picking out 14 people with one specific common trait random? Do these people not know what random means, either?

[ghost]

Maybe it was a randomly chosen specific trait?

[Bzalthek]

I do believe it was.  He spun a wheel with the options: 1) Darkies 2) Women 3)Gays 4)Cripples 5)Mexican looking 6)Orange Shirts.

Sucks to be you Orange Shirts!

[Miasma]

Sometimes I seriously think you would pass fewer fucking insane laws if you weren't allowed to give them big deceitful names.  If bills had to be called "Statute 382b" instead of "Patriot Act", "Stand your Ground", "American Dream Restoration Act" or "Don't Be a God Damned Pussy Act" I think people would have to actually read them and not just go by the title.  Politicians wouldn't be afraid to vote against laws out of fear of the negative ads afterwards screaming that they voted against the "Get America Working Act" even though it brought back serfdom for landowners.

Edit: Oh forgot this was in serious business and not politics.

[Engels]

Actually, I think the term 'At Will' is refreshingly forthright. It means the employer can fire you 'at will', or on a whim without need to justify it. No, I'm not joking.

[shiznitz]

If the other parents in the school district are satisfied to let one nutcase make the rules, then fuck them.  If you care, make noise.  The most noise usually wins.

This is like the scene in Footloose when Ren reads passages about dancing from the Bible.  There are much more pornographic scenes in the Old Testament than anything in Ender's Game.

[Miasma]

Again, the story was written too quickly and without investigation, Ender's Game didn't have anything to do with it:

the police incident report in the case claims that the teacher read “pornographic material from the Internet to the students in class. One of the stories was about prostitutes having their faces covered with ejaculation.”

[tgr]

Or maybe it was correct, but the facts are changing to fit what they want the case to be.

[Paelos]

Again, the story was written too quickly and without investigation, Ender's Game didn't have anything to do with it:

the police incident report in the case claims that the teacher read “pornographic material from the Internet to the students in class. One of the stories was about prostitutes having their faces covered with ejaculation.”

Man, it's been a while since I read the book.

[Logain]

With at-will employment, employers can and will fire you for any reason imaginable, justified or no. However, if the firing can't be justified then you will be able to claim unemployment for which the company will be liable. The burden of proof/documentation is on the employer. Generally, employers avoid firing people without justification or at least documentation because then they'll be paying them not to work, albeit at a lower rate.

[Paelos]

Not entirely true. You can't just fire people for discriminatory reasons.

[Logain]

Yes, you can. The act of firing(or hiring) someone is an inherently discriminatory action backed by discriminatory reasons. I admit I was wrong about "any reason imaginable" when it's really "any reason imaginable with a few exceptions." Those exceptions being lawfully protected classes of people and lawfully protected activities. It's a short list and wearing an orange shirt isn't on it.

[Paelos]

That list encompasses more people than you think. Racial, gender, religious, disability, etc.

[bhodi]

That's actually more than half the list.

[shiznitz]

Yes, you can. The act of firing(or hiring) someone is an inherently discriminatory action backed by discriminatory reasons. I admit I was wrong about "any reason imaginable" when it's really "any reason imaginable with a few exceptions." Those exceptions being lawfully protected classes of people and lawfully protected activities. It's a short list and wearing an orange shirt isn't on it.

Don't be delusional.  A private business can fire employees at will with little danger of a successful lawsuit based on a "protected class" as long as there is the least bit of evidence of incompetence of some kind like using office supplies for personal use.  The "protected class" has to show that the dismissal was directly related bias, not performance.  Companies tend to fight this hard since a pattern of settling sets up a precedent for future employees.

[Cyrrex]

Yes, you can. The act of firing(or hiring) someone is an inherently discriminatory action backed by discriminatory reasons. I admit I was wrong about "any reason imaginable" when it's really "any reason imaginable with a few exceptions." Those exceptions being lawfully protected classes of people and lawfully protected activities. It's a short list and wearing an orange shirt isn't on it.

Don't be delusional.  A private business can fire employees at will with little danger of a successful lawsuit based on a "protected class" as long as there is the least bit of evidence of incompetence of some kind. 

Where incompetence can be something as small as "logged into facebook" or whatever.

[shiznitz]

Right.  I worked for a company where most people "knew" the woman was let go over her pregnancy, but the company was fine because she printed flyers for her husband's bar on company paper and machines.

[Engels]

Most of the time the dismissal can simply be a real or concocted financial need on the company's part. The position is 'eliminated', or the budget was reworked. No need to point fingers, just make up an accounting issue and poof, the employee's gone. Nearly impossible to disprove in court, and trust me, someone who's working at the pay rates of 'at will' isn't going to have the fleet of lawyers to investigate.

[shiznitz]

Right.  If you want to keep your job, do it well enough so your company doesn't want to lose you.  Plain and simple.

[Ironwood]

And delusional.