Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread [Spoiler tag free, beware]

[Fabricated]

Huh, you're right then. That makes no sense.

[TripleDES]

So the Reapers exist to kill/harvest any civilization that's about to create AI that could potentially turn against them. Which is kind of a bit ironic, seeing how the Reapers are synthetic.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I "think" the game is trying to portray reapers as the ultimate version of a cyborg and are the mass effect races paranoia vs machines taken to it's furthest extreme. 

Sort of saying that really the whole series has been machine vs non and the reapers are what we could become if we let fear rule us.  Of course, none of that really comes off well with what we've been presented but I can see ho that's what they were going with.

Again man vs machine was done better in deus ex.

[Ratman_tf]

That's my thought. We all talked in the ME3 non-spoiler thread about a potential "everything goes to shit" ending and how if handled right, could be awesome. The problem I have with the ending wasn't that everybody got fucked, because in the grand scheme of things, everyone was only temporarily fucked. Yeah, all the people you were close to ate a big shit sandwich, but that's kinda what they signed up for and in the long run, after the long dark night, civilizations will survive and find their ways back to each other.

That said, the way it was all handled sucked monkey balls. The noble sacrifice of my Shep and his/her peers is only dimly seen through the haze of ham-fisted shit writing.

That's the impression I'm getting from the spoilers. The Reapers poisioned the well of spaceflight, and the galactic community have to rebuild without their influence.

I'm not so hot over the idea of the synthesis of organic and mechanical beings ending. Sounds kinda hippy-dippy to me.

Lotta bitching about the ending, but I don't want to rush to it so I can properly bitch myself.

[Simond]

I'm not so hot over the idea of the synthesis of organic and mechanical beings ending. Sounds kinda hippy-dippy to me.

Sounds more like "Congratulation Shepard! You just created The Borg" to me.

[Gunzwei]

I mean dead in that his programs that made his personality do not appear to be able to inhabit another platform. The Prime flat out says he's dead.

I agree with your take on it from a Geth Lore standpoint, but the game seems to be either stating or implying that in Legion's specific case, Legion's programs were erased during the upgrade somehow.

He fails to copy the reaper code due to an error and decides to break down his own code to upload, killing him. He realizes without the upload the Geth fleet will be obliterated by the Migrant fleet. The event was somewhat foreshadowed in an earlier mission on Rannoch where it's implied that Legion was one of the first sentient Geth and was protected by a Quarian who dies as a result. Legion witnessing this was likely one of the originators of the Geth rebelling against the Quarians, implied in the Rannoch mission flashback of a Geth with Widowmaker.

Legion was robot Jesus. 

[Stormwaltz]

I thought it was weird that the genetic/personal diversity of humanity is brought up a lot over the series (mostly in 2 however), but they don't really seem to go anywhere with it.

Abandoned (I guess?) plot point.

[Sjofn]

In regards to the post-credits epilogue scene:

[ajax34i]

Mass Effect planets aren't Star Wars planets (where for example Tatooine has to import everything).  They won't have interstellar, but each planet will be fine and will recover.

Besides, it took what, 2200 years to go from the Romans to exploring Mars and finding the relay?  1200 years from the Dark Ages?  Compared to 50,000 and extinction, seems like a minor setback.

[Sjofn]

A lot of the planets are Star Wars planets. There are plenty of planets you see/visit that we're obviously only there because they can import shit. They aren't all Eden Prime.

[Ratman_tf]

Mass Effect planets aren't Star Wars planets (where for example Tatooine has to import everything). 

Is this some EU bullshit? Because the movies never say that Tatooine has to import anything. They seem self-sufficient with their mosture harvesters and there's plenty of native flora and fauna.
People live in the desert here on earth...

[Fordel]

It's not Tatooine that requires the imports, it Courscant and Nar Shadda. There are several entire worlds near Courscant that do nothing but generate food stuffs to feed Courscant.

[Margalis]

I've seen some people taking this scene a lot more literally than I took it.  I didn't get the impression that the whole trilogy was a story being told by the grandfather

But clearly it was.

Whether or not it is a true story is the question, but clearly it's a story being told by him.

[MournelitheCalix]

I read a new take on the ME 3 ending today.  I am actually not sure it changes much but is interesting nonetheless to me.

A Possibly new take on the End:

[Velorath]

I've seen some people taking this scene a lot more literally than I took it.  I didn't get the impression that the whole trilogy was a story being told by the grandfather

But clearly it was.

Whether or not it is a true story is the question, but clearly it's a story being told by him.

Here's an idea, maybe you could either play a Bioware game more current than the first 10 mins of Kotor, or you could stop posting in threads about them.

[Sjofn]

You so crazy, Velorath.

[Simond]

I thought it was weird that the genetic/personal diversity of humanity is brought up a lot over the series (mostly in 2 however), but they don't really seem to go anywhere with it.

Abandoned (I guess?) plot point.

So essentially because humanity wasn't

[Margalis]

Here's an idea, maybe you could either play a Bioware game more current than the first 10 mins of Kotor, or you could stop posting in threads about them.

Here's an idea: kill yourself crybaby.

Sucks that Bioware made a shitty ending, but "maybe that old man telling a story wasn't actually an old man telling a story" seems like an odd rationalization. Maybe the old man is just a metaphor for the awesome power of Bioware storytelling!!!!!!!!!

I'll tell you what, you go a month only posting in Bioware threads then I'll go a month never posting in them.

By the way Vel, here's a little pro-tip for life: if you mewl and scream like an infant every time someone like me says something even slightly negative about your beloved laser swords and free desktop wallpaper endings you should fully expect future snarky comments about laser swords.

The thing I love about you is someone can say that the ME action dolls that come with random DLC codes are kind of lame and you'll invariably post a passionate defense instead of just "yeah, they are pretty lame lol." It's like Bioware is your virgin betrothed.

I just say "laser swords pew pew" and you spazz out.

If someone wants to blast the FFXIII-2 ending and DLC strategy I'm not going to be all OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!! because yeah, the ending and DLC strat are kind of lame. (And I say that having played only the demo of FFXIII-2 myself) In this case you have a super corny voiceover accompanied by a random image from the web, along with three endings that are basically the same and not much resolution. It's just self-evidently bad and your Bioware can do nothing wrong ever attitude makes pointing that out a lot more entertaining that it has any right to be.

[Velorath]

Here's an idea, maybe you could either play a Bioware game more current than the first 10 mins of Kotor, or you could stop posting in threads about them.

Here's an idea: kill yourself crybaby.

Sucks that Bioware made a shitty ending, but "maybe that old man telling a story wasn't actually an old man telling a story" seems like an odd rationalization. Maybe the old man is just a metaphor for the awesome power of Bioware storytelling!!!!!!!!!

I'll tell you what, you go a month only posting in Bioware threads then I'll go a month never posting in them.

Is it your punishment in Hades to only be able to read and post in threads about games you hate and have no intention of ever playing or something?  Take a look at your posting history man.  Over half the first page is posts about ME3 or SWTOR.  That initial SWTOR thread went on for like 3 years, and you participated in it for damn near the duration.  I mean seriously, what's that like that the only thing you're capable of discussing in a hobby that you presumably liked at some point in your life, is the output of a company that you absolutely can't stand.  That's got to be a miserable existence bro.

[Margalis]

This psychobabble bullshit again lol.

When you find yourself typing out drivel about how the meanie who made you feel bad is secretly miserable and you can totally tell through the magic of the internetz you should probably just stop and go back to masturbating furiously to your Slave Leia in Hutt's Lair diorama. (Which, let's be honest, you totally have. I think this is the part where you tell me that it's not a Lair it's a "Hutt Hovel" and I would know that if I was highly educated like yourself)

To tell the truth judging by how emotionally invested you are in Bioware and Star Wars it's hard to imagine how your life isn't laughably pathetic but whatever, I'm not going to pretend to be able to diagnose whatever form of retardation you might be suffering from from forum posts. Probably you are a sad loser who writes a letter to Bioware ever day begging them to release a Mass Effect dating sim with fully posable models but maybe you are a fairly normal person who is just kind of a dork on forums. I really don't know or care.

[Njal]

Just finished it. Like pretty much everybody I think the ending is a massive letdown and just poor storytelling. Which is a shame as the rest of the game I found to be awesome. I suppose I should have known everything was going to be crappy when I had a conversation with my love interest that said She'd like to end up in a nice house with a white picket fence and two kids. I don't mind a downer ending as such but that one just left me feeling wtf was that crap. And all the senseless stuff that led up to it. The reapers know where the missile battery is well enough to send waves of mobs after it but the reaper that's right there can't shoot it with his laser? That's just one among many senseless writing bits.

Ah well. I played the hell out of 1&2 with multiple playthroughs each. This one I doubt I'm going to play again anytime soon. Overall the series is great but man what a letdown.

[Velorath]

This psychobabble bullshit again lol.

When you find yourself typing out drivel about how the meanie who made you feel bad is secretly miserable and you can totally tell through the magic of the internetz you should probably just stop and go back to masturbating furiously to your Slave Leia in Hutt's Lair diorama. (Which, let's be honest, you totally have. I think this is the part where you tell me that it's not a Lair it's a "Hutt Hovel" and I would know that if I was highly educated like yourself)

To tell the truth judging by how emotionally invested you are in Bioware and Star Wars it's hard to imagine how your life isn't laughably pathetic but whatever, I'm not going to pretend to be able to diagnose whatever form of retardation you might be suffering from from forum posts. Probably you are a sad loser who writes a letter to Bioware ever day begging them to release a Mass Effect dating sim with fully posable models but maybe you are a fairly normal person who is just kind of a dork on forums. I really don't know or care.

I'll let your unraveling sanity speak for itself.

[Margalis]

"It's probably a pathetically mechanical attempt to heighten the emotional tension of the next game sequence. No use fighting it. "

IMO the Goose Playing the Piano then Dying Right After device (TOP GUN SPOILERZ!!! - yes Velorath I've watched Top Gun calm down please) is similar to Checkov's Gun in that it works until the audience becomes acutely aware of it as a device, at which point it becomes trite.

I wonder if there is some sort of term that describes stuff like that - storytelling techniques that work until they become too well-worn. It's a little more specific than simple cliche.

I'll let your unraveling sanity speak for itself.

Of course saying that is exactly the opposite of doing that. Logic - don't try it at a home.

[luckton]

 

[Paelos]

Here's an idea, maybe you could either play a Bioware game more current than the first 10 mins of Kotor, or you could stop posting in threads about them.

Here's an idea: kill yourself crybaby.

Unnecessary. Stop being a dick.

[Sjofn]

I don't mind a downer ending as such but that one just left me feeling wtf was that crap.

That was kinda my feeling. I can deal with Downer Endings, but this one was just ridiculous.

[TripleDES]

 

[luckton]

/snip

Stay classy, EA.

[MuffinMan]

Stay classy, EA.

You do know that the chance of that player's story being bullshit is 99%, right? At least I hope that's what Triple's is for.

[Simond]

On the other hand, if it's not then that's some masterful griefing going on.

[eldaec]

Lets assume he duped the credits.

I still give no fucks and EA are being ridiculous for banning someone from a single player game for cheating.

Especially ridiculous considering that EA sell cheat mode dlc all the fricking time.

[TripleDES]

It isn't unheard of server operators intentionally fucking with someone's client, if there's means and an actual effect.

[Merusk]

Stay classy, EA.

You do know that the chance of that player's story being bullshit is 99%, right? At least I hope that's what Triple's is for.

Possibly not, though.  Before the game was released there was a thread on the Bioware site where someone mentioned modding their MP-host machine to do this.  I had wondered why at the time and now I see..whoops.

[kildorn]

Stay classy, EA.

You do know that the chance of that player's story being bullshit is 99%, right? At least I hope that's what Triple's is for.

Possibly not, though.  Before the game was released there was a thread on the Bioware site where someone mentioned modding their MP-host machine to do this.  I had wondered why at the time and now I see..whoops.

It's possible to mod the client to do this. I'm pretty sure the host has nothing to do with it, but it's possible the payout system uses the host to determine the data. Would be even dumber than trusting the client though, just from a "that's a lot of useless data to send across the wire that the client already has" standpoint.

As for banning someone from their DLC stuff for multiplayer bullshit: Doesn't steam fuck your account pretty royally if you get VAC banned? I think you can still play single player, but every multiplayer aspect gets locked from you hacking in one of them.

I'm okay with the idea of "hacking in multi? gtfo of our service", but you need to be DAMNED sure they were doing so. And ME3's mutli code is so riddled with poor security that I don't think you could ever prove it.

[Fabricated]

It begins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuNTa3Psqz4