Q23 - This is what happens when your admin isn't me.

[Engels]

Thanks BW, didn't know about that one. I'm more drawn to WW2 flight sims, but a majestic flight sim trumps all others. We'll have to see if MS has stopped being lazy about their graphics (fat chance of that).

I was a LtM reader back in the late 90s, but had no interest in entering the forum forays, which seemed a cry for help and despair after Lum stopped writing articles.

I started reading F13 in the final days of EQ and the rise of WoW. The community funded Morell-Thule server boards had gone to shit in a arid maelstrom of disinterest, with only their political forums surviving on pure infusions of libertarian scrotum slinging, so I needed a new home.

F13 seemed fertile ground, so I thought I'd introduce myself by asking about flight sims, at which point I was nearly denned. I was saved from being run out on a pole by name dropping Num's name and saying that I once spent stupid amounts of time with her in Kunark. Somehow, mostly through an innocently favorable comment by Signe, I wasn't totally jeered into silence.

[taolurker]

Like Hitler in a post-WWI Germany power vaccuum

It's like interviewing witnesses after a bad car accident, only 10 years later, the above is probably as close to accurate as, well, anything else I guess.

From the Down in Flames link:

Shortly thereafter, some rather soapish pingponging with both Myschyf and Arcadian ensues. Myschyf and Eldin periodically fight, she leaves, then comes back. Arcadian comes back and writes, then gets angry when Poppinfresh "stole his research" on a BT3025 implosion story and unadmins himself. A bizarre love/hate relationship ensues, with people working on the site while at the same time lambasting it in Samizdata. Meanwhile, in an effort to visibly distance himself from his predecessor, Eldin and company begin making sort of lame attacks on DAoC, way below the standard for editorial flaming that came before them. It still kinda sucks.

Lum the Mad history correction needed:

This is completely incorrect on many levels, as the forum uproar over the BT3025 article had absolutely nothing to do with Poppin. It was me who wrote an article about BT3025, which I posted to the forums, and then 2 weeks after Arcadian made this into front page news as little more than a snippet/link. This was also previous to Sept 11th, and it becoming SND, and was in the period when Arc and Myschief were soliciting "writers".

Teirlap was actually added on as an EQ correspondant then, which was fine with me, but Arc made it more than clear on the forum uproar that he thought I was upset with this decision. I actually liked Teirlap and had numerous PM conversations with him, plus he had an enjoyable comedic talent I admired. The actual uproar at SND started because of Snowspinner, who along with being a total ass, knew nothing first hand about EQ and was the equivalent of a forum troll . I definitely didn't restrain my opinion of him on the forums, which was why Arc banned me from SND the week it disappeared.

I followed the forum posters from Lum onto a bunch of different iterations, including the Morlocks, whatever Myschyf/Delusion's site was, and P2P.

[Bunk]

This all makes me feel like some sort of moldy ancient. 

"Sit down young ones, and let me tell you the tale of when I was grief titled on LTM.  I went by a different name in those days and wandered the land of Sosaria.. "

Thinking about the history makes me feel old. I stumbled on Lum from browsing the rpg newsgroup? (shit, been so long I don't remember what things were called in Usenet, groups?) in the days of UO. Roughly Seige Perilous launch I think. Browsed the frontpage of LtM for several months before realizing there were forums beyond the comments thread for the frontpage articles.

[Mrbloodworth]

Thanks BW, didn't know about that one. I'm more drawn to WW2 flight sims, but a majestic flight sim trumps all others. We'll have to see if MS has stopped being lazy about their graphics (fat chance of that).

I only ran across the news announcement a few days ago. Never reported because I didn't think anyone cared. But a new MS flight sim could be fun. As i understand, its to be DLC'd. So you may get your WWII stuff :)

[bhodi]

Engels, I assume you've seen This.

I came from UO/drtwister where I was eager to learn how to drop my recall rune under people's staircase trick to break into people's houses and steal their stuff. Basically, I was an *internet sociopath* that started posting on LTM a few months before all the shit went down. I went over to furrytastic P2P for a while and hung out in the chat channel and then came here.

Also, it seems I grew up at some point, like a lot of others here. Glancing at that "what did you do to get banned" thread of the new site, I have no real interest going back.

[Bunk]

I know I am easily amused, but I found this particular post amusing

Ooh, I can say I am part of a clique now?

[HaemishM]

I know I am easily amused, but I found this particular post amusing

So he admits he was simply trolling then thinks that he was banned because most sane rational people didn't agree with him?

/wobble

[Johny Cee]

This all makes me feel like some sort of moldy ancient. 

"Sit down young ones, and let me tell you the tale of when I was grief titled on LTM.  I went by a different name in those days and wandered the land of Sosaria.. "

"So, did Rasix return the wayward daughter of King Osric to her home. And having no further concern, he and his companions sought adventure in the West. Many flame-wars and feuds did Rasix fight. Honor and fear were heaped upon his name and, in time, he became a mod by his own hand... And this story shall also be told"

[rattran]

It's not like they were even good trolls. He'd post stuff that people went 'Umm, are you high?' and then try to ignore. OVER AND OVER.

And I, like Bunk, sourced from Rec.Games.Computer.Ultima.Online (I think it was, whatever the newsgroup was back in the creaky years) Then followed another of that group (GreatBob) through his various writing gigs. Ending up here, where everybody knows your name, and secretly thinks you're batshit insane.

[Yegolev]

It is very odd to me that many people think the admins get together and PLOT.  We don't get together and do anything.  Trust me, even when we do sort of agree it might be neat to do something, and that something isn't even terribly hard, we don't follow through.  Because we're not a clique, not a band of anything, just a host of regular posters with non-internet lives who happen to have the ability to edit other people's posts.  In that way, yes we do moan about how sinij is off his nut, but that's generally the extent.  If we were more of an organized clique with an agenda, Sand would have disappeared a long time ago.

[koro]

I lurked on LtM's site early on, then lurked at Waterthread, then lurked here.

Then I started posting here for some reason.

[schild]

It is very odd to me that many people think the admins get together and PLOT.  We don't get together and do anything.  Trust me, even when we do sort of agree it might be neat to do something, and that something isn't even terribly hard, we don't follow through.  Because we're not a clique, not a band of anything, just a host of regular posters with non-internet lives who happen to have the ability to edit other people's posts.  In that way, yes we do moan about how sinij is off his nut, but that's generally the extent.  If we were more of an organized clique with an agenda, Sand would have disappeared a long time ago.

I like to pretend you all respect my authority. But your post is closer to the truth.

[bhodi]

Okay I'll spill it - we all plot but we just leave Yegolev out of it because man that guy is LuuuuhhhuhhayyyyZEEE

[taolurker]

It is very odd to me that many people think the admins get together and PLOT.  We don't get together and do anything.  Trust me, even when we do sort of agree it might be neat to do something, and that something isn't even terribly hard, we don't follow through.  Because we're not a clique, not a band of anything, just a host of regular posters with non-internet lives who happen to have the ability to edit other people's posts.  In that way, yes we do moan about how sinij is off his nut, but that's generally the extent.  If we were more of an organized clique with an agenda, Sand would have disappeared a long time ago.

I like to pretend you all respect my authority. But your post is closer to the truth.

I think it can be said that good moderators/admins don't plot, or for that matter get personal or paranoid either directly or indirectly. The first week of this place when Joe and H20 left, plus the QT3 fiasco we ware witnessing are proof of this.

The background discussion on every forum I've written for was mainly about front page articles, which since this one is kind of dormant probably leaves little to discuss on moderator only forums.

[Minvaren]

Teirlap was actually added on as an EQ correspondent then, which was fine with me, but Arc made it more than clear on the forum uproar that he thought I was upset with this decision. I actually liked Teirlap and had numerous PM conversations with him, plus he had an enjoyable comedic talent I admired.

Tireflap Canoe was definitely amusing at times, but he generated a lot of admin headaches as well.

[Ironwood]

Carooe ?

[Minvaren]

His official name was Tierlap Carooe.  He earned the name I used from another CK poster (DPTwisted, I think).

...and it's been so many years that I misspelled "Klaknak" on the last page.  CK and the gang would sooooo give me grief over that.  

[K9]

I'm quite happy with a stable forum. There's no shortage of places to find idiots to argue with, finding somewhere where people are more laid back is the trick.

[Yegolev]

I like to pretend you all respect my authority. But your post is closer to the truth.

I left you and Trippy out of the equation.  As far as I know, we all like you.  Even better, you don't have anything we want but we still hang around, so it's got to be real, right? :some_sort_of_smiley:

I'm not lazy.  I'm slow and don't put any effort into F13, but I'm not lazy.

[Ironwood]

It's true.  I like Trippy.

[Wasted]

I'm quite happy with a stable forum. There's no shortage of places to find idiots to argue with, finding somewhere where people are more laid back is the trick.

^^This.  While 'the hate' was interesting for a little when I was younger, finding an island of civility in the ocean of stupid is worth far more to me.  I really can't understand the need to turn every conversation into a battle other than some people are just starved for attention I guess.

[MuffinMan]

This is going to culminate in a group hug, isn't it?

[schild]

Fuck you, real men don't hug. They stab each other with rusty railroad spikes.

























Lantyssa and Sjofn might hug.

[Fordel]

Sjofn is a hugger, it's true.

[tgr]

I think my time here started with getting a link to the EVE war thread from somewhere, I've no idea where, and I ended up staying.

[Soln]

What happened to the red name who claimed he was a former SEAL or something, spoke several Asian languages, and hated COM objects or something?   I think he threw down with WUA over something military. Odd. That was odd.

[HaemishM]

Wasn't that St. Gabe? Or the Instant Action guy?

[Chimpy]

Didn't Zepp have a few altercations with, well, everybody over military stuff?

[HaemishM]

That's the one, Stephen Zepp. He and Shockeye had history from Shadowbane, but it was later that Zepp went full Sgt. Sperg.

[Yegolev]

Your post would have been done faster if you had only used Torque.

[Der Helm]

I know I am easily amused, but I found this particular post amusing

Ooh, I can say I am part of a clique now?

We need a secret handshake.

[Lantyssa]

Lantyssa and Sjofn might hug.

We'll hug so you manly men can feel secure in not doing so.

[tgr]

And we can think thoughts.

[murdoc]

I'm not even sure WHO the admins are on this site and what the fancy colour names mean.

Except Schild. When he's around. Sometimes.

[Ingmar]

Blue can't be important, since Paelos is blue.