Mechwarrior Online

[Samprimary]

How can you like the Stalker that much ?

http://www.twitch.tv/samprimary/c/1966829

[Ironwood]

That's....a convincing argument.

[Llyse]

Looks like, that's what I'll be buying next... 

[Ironwood]

I have one.  Mine doesn't work like that !!!

[Falconeer]

I decided I am gonna master the Awesome next. It has the dashboard of a big truck and moves like a big truck, I can't help but love it. All I need is a big truck horn. Now if only I could have other parts of my chassis hit other than the CT....

[Arthur_Parker]

I forgot how much fun the 6 ppc stalker f is, it's a really terrible build and easy to kill but great for practicing your aim, as if you miss you die, but so many cockpit shot kills.

[Ironwood]

 

[Arthur_Parker]

Yeah I hate fighting them too, but so many bastards been blasting me with jump jetting cata 3 erppc/ppc/gauss builds when I'm been in crap mechs it's nice to have some payback.  Not played my raven 3l in months too, so much fun.  They really nerfed lrm's hard, getting 600 damage on my crap lrm boat now when would have broken 1200 easy a few weeks back.

So in summary, I like the lrm nerf, like the streak nerf, (Raven lives longer and can make damage shortfall up by being alive longer), not crashed for a couple of days, but back in full screen with sound on.

[Slayerik]

I forgot how much fun the 6 ppc stalker f is, it's a really terrible build and easy to kill but great for practicing your aim, as if you miss you die, but so many cockpit shot kills.

I have been running my 6 PPC awesome a bit again, and dropping things hard. With the addition of coolant, it's decently nasty now. I am also a way better pilot since the first time I attempted it months ago.

[Slayerik]

I decided I am gonna master the Awesome next. It has the dashboard of a big truck and moves like a big truck, I can't help but love it. All I need is a big truck horn. Now if only I could have other parts of my chassis hit other than the CT....

You can, but it requires a 9M, an XL 360+, and some nicely timed torso twisting :)

[Hoax]

First stalker (except 30k xp on the 4N as a trial newb) what am I getting wrong? Figure I may move the LLAS around depending on how it fights. I mean SRM's and MLAS is pretty meat and potatos boring but figured no harm in asking. Also the major question is will it run too hot?

AIV 30SRM 5M

I looked at it without the AIV but its always hard to guage if the extra DHS are needed.

[Arthur_Parker]

I'd lose 20 armour on each arm and leg, lose the large laser and don't replace it with any energy wepaons, lose a ton or two of the srm ammo and fit more DHS.  I'd keep Artemis.

Edit to add, interesting night tonight, the 8 man game has changed so much since I last played it, the builds are all different and I'm so out of practice.  So maybe ignore me.

[Merusk]

He's lacking slots to tack on a lot more DHS.  Seems the better route would be dropping the ER & 1 ton of ammo, popping in a 310, another DHS and another med laser.  36% cooling efficiency and more speed with only a small dip in Alpha firepower for a gain in sustained.

[Arthur_Parker]

As the best sustained damage output is going to come from a steady rate of fire with srm's, my thinking would go I'll happily strip some of the mediums out to achieve that, larger engine makes sense too, I'd even look at dropping Endo to fit more DHS.  

But the recent changes plus two larger maps seem to have shifted the whole focus to ranged/spiked damage away from splash damage which in turn influences the way your team and the enemy teams moves forward.  There's just not many people running brawler builds anymore so trying to use terrain to move forward/flank as normal is going to often mean you are outnumbered.  I think the age of the SRM is passing, at least till they tweak stuff again.

And I'm really sad that small lasers are crap now, there's so much ranged firepower out there now that you just can't chip someone to death like you used to be able to.

[Falconeer]

Not even with lights?

[Arthur_Parker]

Not in my opinion, I used to tear people up with small lasers on a jenner or raven, the enemy lights are still running mediums or medium pulse but actually accurately hitting with them now.  If that wasn't bad enough their team mates are packing a lot more large lasers and that's not healthy.

Smalls, medium pulses, large pulses, lrms, srms, streaks are all a lot worse than before (the pulses just because of the new maps), erppcs are now useful, ppcs and large lasers seem way better than anything else.

All these new mechs/maps and the game is actually way more boring in weapon composition than at any other point in time I've seen.

[Ironwood]

Yes.  Snipers, snipers, snipers and snipers.

We need more urban maps.

[Merusk]

A giant Urban map would be glorious.  I really enjoy the brawler builds.

You've got a good point on alpha vs. splash damage and the way the models h ave change Arthur.  The game has moved to the point that it feels like the old MW games, where you ran PPCs and lasers and almost nothing else.  Maybe some LRMs so you could soften them up before they get in to range.   I want to blame the influx of those PC-game folks  to the game discussion vs. the tabletoppers who were the alpha and closed beta testers.

[Arthur_Parker]

Brawling seems move skillful to me, you have position, movement and aim to consider.  The sniper game is all about position and aim, maybe movement if you are one of those jump jetting bastards.

If I understand correctly streaks went from 5 damage to 3, srm6 from 15 to 9, dunno what lrms were before but they feel about half as powerful.  SRM's and LRM's need a slight buff, not sure what they can do about the large laser, maybe up it's heat, but it was fine before, it's only obviously better now because of the other changes.

[Falconeer]

ECM was supposed to balance that a little, but after the initial craze I am seeing much, much less ECM around. Seems like nerfing the missiles has made ECM much less desirable, but probably not less useful.

[Ironwood]

I can't imagine why.  For the tonnage, ECM is still crazy fucking useful, even if you don't give two shits about missiles.

[Falconeer]

I guess it has to do with the fact that you have to pick one of the few ECM equipped 'mechs. I am sure things will be different in group play, but as long as PUGs go, people have so many 'mechs to choose from... outside of the DDC. Lots of ECM lights around still, but they seem to use it to protect their own scouting more than to hide the big group (which is the one actually exposed to the sniping).

[Ironwood]

I'm done for a while.  Was tooling about in my stalker and died before I even saw anyone in two games.  Both times, PPC/Guass/AC.

This is like the good old days of Lame Camping Faggots in counterstrike and, combined with the horrible issues of this patch, not very fun at all.

[Slayerik]

I'm done for a while.  Was tooling about in my stalker and died before I even saw anyone in two games.  Both times, PPC/Guass/AC.

This is like the good old days of Lame Camping Faggots in counterstrike and, combined with the horrible issues of this patch, not very fun at all.

This is why my better original builds these days have all seemingly shifted to LLs, AC/5, gauss etc. Luckily, I'm better at it than the puds I'm fighting. I'll still pack some SRM6s, though. LRMs? Never much liked em, and even less useful now. Though, if I run the 270m weapons I just run big engines on them, and can fuck things up still. On alpine you just keep the hill as cover, on tourmaline use the stuff...Be very aware of your position!

[Hoax]

Something is just very wrong with AC20 effectiveness beyond its optimal range. This is true of almost every weapon but AC20's weakness is its short range but that weakness hasn't been apparent for shit in the games I've played.

[Pennilenko]

I snipe with AC/20s just fine.

[Merusk]

That's the point, they're not supposed to be long-range sniping weapons.  They're supposed to crap out beyond 270m, but people are tossing them 500-1000m or more and still doing effective damage.

[Falconeer]

AC20 should miss altogether at 541 m. and should inflict only 1 damage at 539 m. if things were working correctly. I am curious, I think I am gonna hit the training grounds and experiment with it shooting exactly from those distances, and see if it's broken or what. Should be easy to check in there.

EDIT: Yep, just tested. AC20 hits from waaaay more than 540 m. and definitely deals more than 1 damage even at that distance. Fuck this shit.

EDIT 2: STILL dealing damage at 799 m. although very little. Can't say if it's still dealing after that cause sensors don't work past the 800 m. mark, but this is really pissing me off.

EDIT 3: Took me 19 slugs right in the CT to core an Atlas from 580 m. away. Not sure how much armour+internal an Atlas has there, about 100? If that is the case the AC20 deals about 5 damage at 580 m, which is MORE than double the optimal range. It's utter bull.

[Arthur_Parker]

For damage fall off, linear fall in damage, Energy is x2 but Ballistic is actually x3, so for the AC20 it should do ~1 point at 810m not 540m.

[Falconeer]

Oh, ok. I didn't know that. That changes everything I suppose. Although I don't like it. Maybe I am just used to think at weapon range x2, but I always thought it made sense.

So, according to this new piece of information, the AC20 is working as intended. Meh.

[Slayerik]

Well, ammo goes quick with an AC20 anyway. I think when they hit ya at long range it makes a nasty noise, but not so much damage.

[Ironwood]

I'm going to repeat :  My Stalker, a fairly large and heft mech, was killed from half the map away on Tourmaline, in roughly 5 seconds.

So either there was a team of precision snipers both times, or some serious shit is going on.  It just wasn't much fun.

Back to grinding the Raven Mastery, but not really going to bother with anything huge after that.  Not until some issues get resolved.

[Falconeer]

I'm going to repeat :  My Stalker, a fairly large and heft mech, was killed from half the map away on Tourmaline, in roughly 5 seconds.

So either there was a team of precision snipers both times, or some serious shit is going on. 

Or Slayerik's 6PPC Awesome 

[Ironwood]

Nah, the 'you're dead' screen said AC and Gauss.

I cry tears the texture of rose petals.

[Slayerik]

I'm going to repeat :  My Stalker, a fairly large and heft mech, was killed from half the map away on Tourmaline, in roughly 5 seconds.

So either there was a team of precision snipers both times, or some serious shit is going on. 

Or Slayerik's 6PPC Awesome 

I've been dropping fuckers with that awesome lately ;) I'm with ya, though, Ironwood. Many times I'll show my face for 2 seconds and end up damn near cored. Lately I'm really sketchy about where I make my appearance to the fight.