Mechwarrior Online

[Goreschach]

The entire game balance is fundamentally broken because all the weapons are 100% accurate, convergent, and have zero aim drift and recoil.

Aside from missiles, every weapon functions in exactly the same matter. This means that a few weapons with the best numbers will always be objectively superior.

[Hoax]

The entire game balance is fundamentally broken because all the weapons are 100% accurate, convergent, and have zero aim drift and recoil.

Aside from missiles, every weapon functions in exactly the same matter. This means that a few weapons with the best numbers will always be objectively superior.

MPBT3025 had these exact problems. You absolutely cannot allow players to hit 100% where they aim in a battletech game without rewriting the way every single weapon functions as well as armor location values, faking the hitboxes to protect mechs with large backs or big heads and generally just throwing all the stats from the board game out the window.

Game designers in their infinite wisdom seem to always opt for we know better we'll rebalance all of it instead of not being pompous morons.

[Falconeer]

Honestly, they are not far away from a good balance. As long as they stop caring about the TT values, which were a good starting point and nothing else, I think they have done a really good job so far. I am glad to see they changed the Double Heat Sinks, cause the way they are in the TT just could not work here, and the same is true for so many other weapons (all).

Balance is far from finished, but I don't think it's gonna be that hard. ECM will balance out LRMs, and additional tweaking can be done alterating the flight paths. Lasers are fine, and additional tweaking can be done altering generated heat or cooldowns. Ballistics will need a lot of help in the netcode department, otherwise they are fine and can be further tweaked if necessary through the same variables. SRMs are fine, and the spread can be tweaked if something doesn't behave as intended. Streaks still need their lock-ation nerf.

So yeah, the TT means a lot to me. I own pretty much everything that has been published and it has been a huge obsession for me in the 80s and 90s. But the moment you are going to make a realtime game, I don't see any need to try and force figures and mechanics thought for a turn-based game into an action one. I am gonna love every bit out of the upcoming turn based Mechwarrior: Tactics (which really seems to be to Battletech what Cyanide's Blood Bowl is to Games Workshop's Blood Bowl), but I appreciate that they kept the RNG out of Mechwarrior Online. The satisfaction of hitting with pinpoint-precise lasers and drawing lines on other mech's armours is priceless, and so is the one you get from digging a crater on some mech's torso with a well placed AC20.

I wish they were faster with all the tweaks, but I like what they have done so far and I think all is eventually gonna fall right in place with a few more patches. I'd say about couple of months (roughly 4 patches).

[Lantyssa]

Their problem is something like allowing a Jenner six lasers.  It's a hardpoint issue.  Trying to stay true to some variants means allowing them an ungodly amount of hardpoints.  Some Jenners, Hunchies, and Catapults all have this and it encourages boating.

[Arthur_Parker]

Too much stuff to quote but lots of information on this dev chat.

http://kotaku.com/5958578/the-creators-of-the-new-mechwarrior-online-are-here-to-answer-your-questionsright-now

[Ingmar]

(which really seems to be to Battletech what Cyanide's Blood Bowl is to Games Workshop's Blood Bowl)

Don't say things like that!

[Amaron]

Fixing as in how exactly?

Basically what Hoax pointed out.  Instead of rerolling stats they chose to use heat as a damage limit.  It's giving them problems left and right for no good reason.  Just wait till they release better assaults.  Without proper DHS medium/heavies will be pure trash.

[Lantyssa]

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MWO key input:  http://mwomercs.com/nvidia

[Evildrider]

Nvidia Dawn Bobblehead:  https://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/app_163278447150177

MWO key input:  http://mwomercs.com/nvidia

Sweet, thx!

[Arthur_Parker]

HOTFIX NOV. 8TH

November 8th at 10AM PDT, we're releasing a hotfix that will do the following:
Reduce LRM damage
Fix LRM 'arc'
Increase Artemis missile spread
Fix 3rd person cockpits showing incorrect

LRM hotfix.

[Falconeer]

Any news, or anecdotal evidence, on the Streaks? They didn't say anything in the patch notes, but some reports their effectiveness being reduced, although it's not clear how.

[5150]

Any news, or anecdotal evidence, on the Streaks? They didn't say anything in the patch notes, but some reports their effectiveness being reduced, although it's not clear how.

It may just be that they no longer automatically hit centre torso with both missiles (front or rear depending on which side of the target is facing you) as I remember reading a dev post at some point saying that this was a bug in their behaviour (hence the calls to nerf the streakcat)

[Lantyssa]

Yeah.  People were going with Streak boats to core center torsos.  If my Commando went up against a three-streak Commando, or gods forbid, a six-streak Catapult, I could kiss it g'bye in a salvo or two.

[Arthur_Parker]

They needed nerfed, they seem to miss a lot more now.

[Arthur_Parker]

Alpine.



Desert.


Caustic is 4000 square meters

Alpine is 7500 square meters
Desert is 5800 square meters

[Shannow]

yay for bigger maps.

I have dreams that more space means that scouts and strikes (aka 5/8 6/9 mechs) are actually truely useful and their speed means a difference. That a group that leaves an assault or two unguarded could have it gobbled up by a wolfpack....You know variety in tactics and shit.

[5150]

They needed nerfed, they seem to miss a lot more now.

I didn't think the hot fix had gone live yet? My client certainly didn't appear to patch

[Arthur_Parker]

Fix due to go in is for lrm's being insane, streak nerf was part of normal patch on Tuesday I believe.

[Falconeer]

Here comes #18, The Blackjack.

[Shannow]

ac2s...pew pew pew

[Falconeer]

...while jumpjetting.

[Ironwood]

Hmmm, I thought we'd had all the 'mechs.

Looks good.

[5150]

Anyone else notice that Streaks can now miss (and I dont mean hit intervening objects, I mean miss in open terrain with a clear shot) or is it just me?

[Falconeer]

Yeah, everyone is reporting that. I think they should never miss, they simply needed more spread, and less screen shake. On the screen shake, seems like instead of tuning it down as they announced in the patch, they completely removed it. Not sure if it's a bug or what, but I'm gonna be really pissed if they don't put it back in. But it's worth nothing that some crafty people were removing it altogether from their clients by fiddling with the game files. So, meh.

[Arthur_Parker]

It's a bug and it's annoying as I like easily knowing when large missiles are hitting me.  DHS in the engine are also working at 2.0 instead of 1.4 they said they would be at, also the two heat skills are broken and make no difference.  I'm glad streaks can miss and have had their spread weakened, srms with Artemis are now how like srms used to be when they were good.

On mechs, I think they intend adding one a month or so for months/years to come.

[5150]

I'm glad streaks can miss

I'll virtually guarantee that will be fixed as it's the whole point of a Streak.

I don't have a rulebook to hand but I was under the impression that Artemis wasn't compatible with Streak.  Having said that, assuming Streaks go back to being a guaranteed hit I don't have an issue with Artemis tightening the spread if the default spread is set correctly (but still guarantees both missile hit)*

*Although they need to be careful for when the Clans arrive with/IS develop SSRM 4 & 6

[Arthur_Parker]

There's nothing more annoying than a streak catapult.

[Lantyssa]

Maybe the pilot.

[Merusk]

I'm totally going to try that with my Founder's Cata.

I started playing again this week. There's still loads of problems but it seems the influx of non-clan people and the change to only 3-man lances has made it at least tolerable for the unclanned.  I've actually been able to win some games and rack up some decent xp and kills in the 5 or 6 matches I've played.

Of course, this last hotfix/ patch has reintroduced the Lockup-Lockup-"BSOD" problem I had in beta but at least now it's generating a report file I can send in. It's 100% a crysis engine problem as I got a popup error about it prior to the BSOD last night, but it seems avoidable so long as I play in the worst possible resolution.

[Falconeer]

ECM will counter Streakapults pretty awesomely. You know what else works? Powering down. I love to do that when I am dueling them. Not that it makes me the winner, but ah well go pester someone else.

[Arthur_Parker]

Merusk might be worth trying another uninstall/reinstall, it's often the first thing they ask apparently.

[Lantyssa]

ECM will counter Streakapults pretty awesomely. You know what else works? Powering down. I love to do that when I am dueling them. Not that it makes me the winner, but ah well go pester someone else.

I'm often in a Commando.  They or someone else will just shoot me with lasers.  I stop near someone, I die.

[Ironwood]

Why would powering down help ?  Surely they'll just, you know, shoot streaks at your now immobile form ?

[Falconeer]

No, streaks can't lock on a powered down mech, hence they can't shoot (BUZZ sound). Same is true for LRMs. Sometimes I get behind cover and power down for a few seconds in order to make sure the lock is broken and they'll target someone else. Works great with the improved power down/up you get in the Elite efficiencies tree, but more than viable without it unless there's a bunch of mechs around you, and in that case you are dead anyway.

[Hoax]

Hmmm, I thought we'd had all the 'mechs.

Looks good.

Looks good and a great mech. Was really hoping for the Vindicator but as always the art makes me happy no matter the choice.

There's nothing more annoying than a streak catapult.

That guy is a massive whiner shitbag. I was hoping for someone to rape his face but I'm betting he only posts his victories.