Winter Expansion - Desperate times

[Sir T]

Most definitely agreed.

[tgr]

Shockingly, EVE is designed to be played with others.

[eldaec]

It is almost unique amoung modern multiplayer online games in that regard.

[Amarr HM]

Shockingly, EVE is designed to be played with others.

That's a double edged sword, you are almost too reliant on your corp/alliance to provide interesting things to do when you log in. Kageru said it better than I could.

1) The fun you can find yourself isn't.

2) The fun that exists in the game depends on the vagaries of other people. Fights at the right time, when you can commit a potentially sizable but unknown amount of time online (since you can't easily leave), in the right place, with a good FC, against a reasonably balanced enemy force and at a scale the servers can handle. plus Australian time-zones tend to be pretty dead generally.

[Sir T]

You actually think Eve was designed?   

[tgr]

No, I think magic unicorns farted and out popped EVE.

[Simond]

Hey, leave My Little Pony Online out of this!

[Sir T]

I'm being ferocious, but actually in my view it was designed organically. The original CCP design (remember they were given Eve, a game someone else designed, for a song) had a very few people able to create t2 items, and had hugely powerful superships and remote Doomsdays. Then the shit hit the fan and the media was breathing down their neck, and they started listening to the playerbase out of panic, and the game improved. There's nothing wrong with that, its called art through adversary. But it was something that evolved through time, not through a concept document. But we have seen what happens when CCP starts designing things on its own again... supercaps and monocles.

Believe it or not, I want the game to work and everyone playing to be having fun, but I don't trust CCP to give a shit about making the entire game fun for everyone.

But hey lets talk ponies 

[Phred]

I'm being ferocious, but actually in my view it was designed organically. The original CCP design (remember they were given Eve, a game someone else designed, for a song)

I think you're misremembering here. Iirc CCP designed and built Eve then bought it back when their publisher went tits up.

[Gets]

Simon & Schuster is doing fine, they just dropped the idea of publishing video games and publish Glenn Beck's ghostwritten garbage instead.

[Phred]

Simon & Schuster is doing fine, they just dropped the idea of publishing video games and publish Glenn Beck's ghostwritten garbage instead.

Ya  it''s hard to find publishing information on the original Eve release on the net anymore. For some reason I had their original publisher confused with SSI (Strategic Simulations) the guys who published the Panzer General series

[MahrinSkel]

Simon & Schuster is doing fine, they just dropped the idea of publishing video games and publish Glenn Beck's ghostwritten garbage instead.

Ya  it''s hard to find publishing information on the original Eve release on the net anymore. For some reason I had their original publisher confused with SSI (Strategic Simulations) the guys who published the Panzer General series

It was published by Simon & Schuster Interactive.  SSI.  I think Strategic Simulations Inc. was nothing but a part of Ubisoft by then, and might already have been retired as a brand.

--Dave

[Amaron]

I think you're misremembering here. Iirc CCP designed and built Eve then bought it back when their publisher went tits up.

That is so backwards.   What happened is EvE was such a flaming pile of shit at release that the publisher sold it for pennies.    The game represents a pretty locked in niche though so they were able to fix it over time with subscription money.

No, I think magic unicorns farted and out popped EVE.

That's pretty much how release worked out.

[Endie]

It's a good business strategy: build something niche, get someone else to pay, but it out when you can see how to fix it and the publisher just sees the unplayable nightmare you've had to go to launch with :V

I'm being ferocious

I suspect you mean facetious.

[Amaron]

It's a good business strategy

That's not a business strategy it's fraud.   In CCP's case though it clearly wasn't intended.

[Gets]

http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Patchnotes are up go find some stealth nerfs for me while I'm busy posting about video games.

[ajax34i]

Won't know about stealth nerfs until after the patch, as, by definition, they aren't listed in the patch notes.

Unexpected change to hybrids:  reload time reduced to 5 seconds instead of 10.

[Brolan]

Won't know about stealth nerfs until after the patch, as, by definition, they aren't listed in the patch notes.

Unexpected change to hybrids:  reload time reduced to 5 seconds instead of 10.

That can't be right, can it?  That would make hybrids way over-powered for L4 missions.

[Gets]

I think the Caldari Navy Raven is safe on its throne of king mission runner.

[Amarr HM]

That's a long list of patch notes. Bodes well.

[Brolan]

Effectively doubling the rate of fire of hybrid weapons (along with all the other changes) makes hybrid ships a lot more viable in mission running.  The Hyperion might actually be worth it's price now.

[ghost]

That's a long list of patch notes. Bodes well.

Did it include any fun?   

[ajax34i]

It's reload time, not ROF (rate of fire).  You shoot your 140 bullets in the gun then only spend 5 seconds to reload.  Compared to instant for lasers and 10 seconds for projectiles.

As far as patch notes, they mention each item like 3 times (once in the summary, once in its category (ships vs. UI changes), and once in the "fixes" section) making the patch notes quite longer than they need to be.

[Gets]

The 'Load Station Environments' option in the ESC Menu has changed slightly:
OFF: You can't enter Captains Quarter's and you have a static background image when in the Ship Hangar, hence unable to spin your ship.
ON: You can spin your ship in the Ship Hangar and can freely switch between Captains Quarter's and the Ship Hangar. Note that if you do not go into the Captains Quarter's, nothing extra is loaded when in the ship hangar.

Christ, didn't catch the drift the first time? One step forward, two steps back. Never change, CCP.

[tgr]

What's the problem? You can either spin your ship, or you can switch it off to save resources in case your machine isn't exactly very powerful, or you want to run lots of clients.

[Gets]

d2captainsquarters

[tmp]

Christ, didn't catch the drift the first time? One step forward, two steps back. Never change, CCP.

Give it 2-3 more patches and they'll add option to spin the static image of your ship, as the middle ground alternative.

[Brolan]

It's reload time, not ROF (rate of fire).  You shoot your 140 bullets in the gun then only spend 5 seconds to reload.  Compared to instant for lasers and 10 seconds for projectiles.

As far as patch notes, they mention each item like 3 times (once in the summary, once in its category (ships vs. UI changes), and once in the "fixes" section) making the patch notes quite longer than they need to be.

Thanks for that.  I was confusing the reload with RoF.

[Amaron]

I thought the Caldari ship was going to be capable of using missiles?  Guess it's a good thing my Caldari char has hybrids too.   Lots of people are going to be mad about that though I'm sure.

[Gets]

The torp-Naga on Sisi was pretty lackluster.

[eldaec]

What's the problem? You can either spin your ship, or you can switch it off to save resources in case your machine isn't exactly very powerful, or you want to run lots of clients.

This is ccp, so you have to ask, does the system remember your preference for ship spinning or send you via the vampire client each time?

The wording suggests it remembers, but, again, ccp.

[Gets]

http://i.imgur.com/uJs4t.jpg

An overview of all of Eve's expansions.

[tgr]

The JBs are visible on the ingame browser now.

[ajax34i]

http://i.imgur.com/uJs4t.jpg

An overview of all of Eve's expansions.

Hahahah.

Though, chart should include bugfixes and re-balances to be complete.

[squirrel]

The JBs are visible on the ingame browser now.

Yeah this shocked the living hell out of me.