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Topic: CCP heading for hotter water (Read 88000 times)
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Thrawn
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I'd be willing to make a fair bet that the amount of supercap capable pilots are a lot more than have ever sat in the cockpit of a supercapital.
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tgr
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I can technically sit in a nyx now, I think. I can't use it very well because I can't fire off fighterbombers, but it doesn't matter, I don't feel like putting in the time of going above capitals. I like docking.
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Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
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Phred
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I'd be willing to make a fair bet that the amount of supercap capable pilots are a lot more than have ever sat in the cockpit of a supercapital. All the skills needed are time, the hull needs money and ability to build one. And the ability to effectively write off a character that is now permanently in the superhull.
I was kind of ignoring pilots like that as they are extremely unlikely to be rage unsubscribed if supers get nerfed. Never having flown one and all.
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Kitsune
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I'm a bit surprised that nobody's mentioned this dev blog with Hellmar basically saying "oh god oh jesus I'm sorry please stop unsubbing". I'm at odds with my natural cynicism here, but I actually appreciate his effort. A decent apology's what I'd been wanting from them, after all, and not only was one provided, it came with a detailed breakdown of the specific things that were being apologized for, just so nobody could say that they didn't really know what they'd done to fuck up.
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tgr
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Whoops. Yeah, in my mind it had already been posted, but I was probably thinking of a different forum.
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Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
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Gets
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MahrinSkel
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When she crossed over, she was just a ship. But when she came back... she was bullshit!
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Actually I was kind of surprised, Mitten's broadside must have had a very real and visible impact on subs or it wouldn't have happened. A mea culpa that clear usually doesn't come until well after the clusterfuck is unrecoverable and is usually more of the "Mistakes were made" sort.
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ajax34i
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No, according to www.eve-offline.net, subs have pretty much stayed the same since Sept. 5 (look at the "1-month" graph which shows the past 2.5 months). Their one-room expansion was released 6/21/2011. I don't remember when the 18 months statement was made, but it's googleable as far back as July 2010, which means we're currently at month 15, and, if their winter expansion gets delayed to Jan/Feb 2012, it'll be 18 months by then.
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« Last Edit: October 07, 2011, 03:30:50 AM by ajax34i »
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tgr
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Maybe subs have stayed the same, but if you look at the number of people online during the day, you'll see that the graph is going up and up and up rom 2006 until june 2009 with around 29k users online, where it starts to flatten out, with a few spikes here and there (probably expansion releases), culminating with the final peak at the beginning of 2011, at which point it's sloping for the slope throne down to 27-28k users online on average.
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ajax34i
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Yeah, but with respect to Mittens specifically, which was Sept 5, there is no impact on the subs just before, during, or since, even with the blogs and CCP advertising their change of heart.
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Kageru
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Changes in activity due to unsubscribing are always going to have a fair amount of latency, so it's hardly a precise metric. And no one really cares as long as it's enough to give CCP a shock.
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IainC
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Subs have a trailing effect. If someone quits the game then their sub will still be active until their current billing period expires. That could be a month, three months or even a year from the time that they throw the towel in. While a lot of bitter vets (who you'd expect to be heavily represented in rage-quitters) are paying with Plex which is a monthly subscription option, many of those will still have front-loaded their account by redeeming multiple Plex at once so as not to have to fuck with it every month.
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ajax34i
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Decreases in sub numbers, sure. The charts are tracking daily logons, though. We're assuming, per a statistic CCP published years ago, that sub numbers are 5x the Sunday peak concurrent users, but shrug.
In any case, sub number increases, which is what I think everyone is expecting to see as the result of the latest CCP blogs and promises, would be rather immediate, wouldn't they? If 20k people are suddenly interested in logging in again, they won't wait months to do so.
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Kageru
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I very much doubt anyone is going to re-subscribe on the basis of a blog, if they even notice it. If there's a surge it will happen when something new actually hits the servers.
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tgr
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And, you'll see it in the number of people being logged in first, then subscription numbers. I very much doubt anyone is going to re-subscribe on the basis of a blog, if they even notice it. If there's a surge it will happen when something new actually hits the servers. I'd assume most of them come back when they make changes to f.ex the SOV system, and maybe also add some social aspect to WiS.
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Sparky
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Expansions bring people in. Even Incarna before everyone saw what a pile of suck it was. That blog is mainly about stemming the flow of angry cancellations.
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Sir T
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There's also the other factor, that is has their brand new walking in a room and other stuff brought people back to playing? How many people were liked me, who wandered in for a 5 day free trial to see it, basically went *shrug* and wanders off again having never handed over any cash. If Ambulation was meant to kickstart a new wave of Eve and it didn't hold anyone's interest, that kind of has an effect on evaluating their whole long term strategy.
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Kageru
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They know that one from looking at online activity. Pretty much every expansion has an activity surge as people log in to kick the tires. Incarna was the first expansion which had no surge whatever and then led into the current decline.
As others have said even if you like the concept of incarna the actual content delivered was unimpressive, pointless and gameplay free.
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Comstar
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Well Hilmar said he was sorry. Which cost him nothing.
And we're about 3 months short of the "18 months of nothing being done", so he's close enough to his original plan to devote more resources now, which was the plan anyway.
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Endie
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Actually I know a few people who have resubscribed (admittedly additional) characters as a result of the blog: the GSF directorate. As a result of the new attitude towards the game from CCP, and the resulting frissant of excitement he have about Eve, there are a bunch of people re-subbing: Laz has been totally unsubbed for months but is talking about FCing in Delve; Mittens and others are five-boxing gankers in empire; and the liveliest thread in illum is about pimpfit T3 gatecamping.
Speaking of which it is retardedly hard to get a proteus to be a better ship than any other Gallente ship. And considering where Gallente ships currently stand, that is a pretty daming indictment. I had EFTed a fairly affordable (c.4billion) long-tackle proteus with 170,000 EHP, the sig of a drone (70 before drugs) and the ability to active tank about 2600 DPS, but then mittens pointed out that an ishtar could do the same for not much over half the price. I suspect I'll end up flying a lachesis again.
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Kageru
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Mitten's is like a little kid with a new toy. He's found the combination of PvP and drama he's always wanted I think. But having a CEO who actually gets fun out of eve online is quite a resource.
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Sir T
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I love people who casually describe 4 billion isk as "fairly affordable."
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Setanta
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Latest email from CCP: $4.95 for 30 days if I resub:
"Dear CCP, fix all of these things and then offer me the deal and I might resub one account to test the water. Sadly, your promises mean shit as you are untrustworthy and arrogant and I still have a picture of the door awaiting me if I resub right now. Currently I like the door and the world it allowed me to access where I have continued to spend my sub money on games that are not Eve. You had my money before you messed up, you need to prove yourself before you get another cent from me because your promises mean jack-shit"
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Gets
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I hate seeing mommy and daddy fight.
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Kageru
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CCP are really keen on selling all those plex... but I think they'll find there's few people tempted to buy a super-capital now or buy into Eve to that extent. Need the cash I guess.
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Gets
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There are slight hints that they might be having financial troubles and the heft under their ambitions is starting to run out. The 5 EUR reactivation offer for old accounts, the PLEX bundle offer and Shattered Crystal putting timecodes on sale all at the same time are efforts from the sales department and rather normal, but the decision to stop dealing with "alliance hopping" may imply that even the GM department has begun to lack manpower.
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Lantyssa
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Or it may mean one-sided wars were becoming a problem. Allowing ganker guilds nearly free reign in high-sec space was poor design, and a good way to cost them subs. I know it was a big factor in making the twenty-ish people in my PvE guild go inactive. Even after it was over, people could no longer log in and find others around, so they'd log back out and perpetuate the cycle.
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Kageru
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It's also part of null-sec being stagnant I think. Groups that ideally should be trying to stake a claim in null-sec look at the amount of resources, time and super-capitals required to get involved and just don't see enough fun to make the effort worth it. So they look for safer targets such as playing around with empire war-decs which end up being pretty much just gank licenses.
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tgr
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And we're starting to spill out into hisec as well.
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Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
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Sir T
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And I can see why they are stopping the ban on corp swapping. Mission running corps, and missions can be fun socially even if you make sod all money doing them, will probably quit en masse if they don't have a way of dodging a war dec by griefers.
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Kitsune
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I'd suggest a compromise in that instance, making it so that individual pilots could dodge wardecs, but structures cannot. That way if a bunch of pilots are afraid of getting ganked, fine, but their POSes can still be blown away if they don't step up to defend them. If you park a POS out in space, there should be some risk involved, at least a minimum degree, that someone who dislikes you can come blow it up.
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Kageru
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The war-dec mechanism is crap in general. It would be much better if they had a finer granularity on incentive versus risk. Get rid of the exploitable war-decs in empire (you still have suicide ganks) but add incentives for people who want to take some facet of Eve gameplay to the next level to enter riskier space. In this case there should be enough NPC facilities that people can build their space empires in hi-sec but still some incentive to want a player POS that must be built in low or null-sec. Ideally combine it with some sort of system such that smaller entities can exist in low-sec and actually want to. The small PvP, faction war and industrial corps working together then become the seeding area for the next generation of null-sec claimants.
At the moment the path from empire to null-sec is just broken.
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MahrinSkel
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When she crossed over, she was just a ship. But when she came back... she was bullshit!
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When I used to run high-value cargo (before the days of jump-freighters and CovOps cloaks on blockade runners) out to 0.0, I would actually *relax* when I hit null-sec. I was safer out there than I was in low-sec. If I had to deliver cargo to our low-sec capital staging station, I'd sometimes run it out to 0.0 first then carrier-jump it back to the low-sec station, rather than dodge pirates for 6 systems.
Yeah, low-sec is totally busted.
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Count Nerfedalot
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You want more carebears playing the game (and paying to play!) ? Simple! Just two things need to change:
1. Eliminate wardec protections in hi-sec space. No immunity for griefers in high-sec.
2. Eliminate cargo scanners completely. You want to suicide-gank, fine, roll the dice and take your chances on whether it's worth it. There is NO risk in ganking someone you KNOW is hauling 100x the value of your ship. You want the rewards, you need to take the risks, ESPECIALLY when you are playing a zero-sum game with other players.
All the ganker crybabies will QQ like little girls, but that is all they are anyway. The wolves want sheep in their game? Stop giving ALL the advantage to the wolves. Otherwise, have fun playing without any sheep as the world slowly goes dark and empty.
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tgr
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1. Eliminate wardec protections in hi-sec space. No immunity for griefers in high-sec.
Elucidate? I don't really see what you mean by "wardec protections".
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