The Dark Knight Rises

[Mrbloodworth]

I only asked because I never thought bane was all that cool. Hes like a Grey hulk from issue #377. The whole back breaking thing, its like there was this time period where all superheros had to have backs broken. It was silly. Dc's Doomsday (or the other way around, who cares).

So many better villains in Batman history, with so much more character.

I know, I am likely speaking blasphemy.

[Malakili]

I thought the Rachel character idea in both films was silly.  I was...well, kinda right on that one, but hey ho, they killed her.

Did I miss the end of the last movie or something?

Apparently?

[stray]

He was good in RocknRolla too.

I didn't know he was in that. Big Tom Hardy fan I am, eh?

I guess I'll add it to netflix.

[stray]

I only asked because I never thought bane was all that cool. Hes like a Grey hulk from issue #377. The whole back breaking thing, its like there was this time period where all superheros had to have backs broken. It was silly. Dc's Doomsday (or the other way around, who cares).

So many better villains in Batman history, with so much more character.

I know, I am likely speaking blasphemy.

Like I/others were saying, they kind of fit Nolan's schtick.

I mean, in a certain light, there are tons of more elements to mine out of Batman's story, but I think it isn't easy to write where them as plausible criminals. At the very least, it takes some time to find the right angle. At their core, the Riddler or the Penguin, for example, are pretty fucking stupid in a comic booky way that Joker or Catwoman are not (even though I like them myself heh).

[Bunk]

I thought the Rachel character idea in both films was silly.  I was...well, kinda right on that one, but hey ho, they killed her.

Did I miss the end of the last movie or something?

Apparently?

Shit, my memory is bad. Had to go read a recap of how that ended.

[Johny Cee]

I only asked because I never thought bane was all that cool. Hes like a Grey hulk from issue #377. The whole back breaking thing, its like there was this time period where all superheros had to have backs broken. It was silly. Dc's Doomsday (or the other way around, who cares).

So many better villains in Batman history, with so much more character.

I know, I am likely speaking blasphemy.

Batman villains that have at least some recognition with the general populace or casual fans, and that work in Nolan's gritty realist theme?  I think Bane and Catwoman are it.

Scarecrow, Twoface, Joker have been done.
Riddler is too comic booky.
Penguin is pretty comic booky, and we already have Devito's Penguin who was about as gritty as you could go with that character.

Many of the recent/new villains don't have any name recognition with the general populace.  Many of the villains from the Animated shows don't work unless your world is okay with super-science/vaguely supernatural villainy (Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Killer Croc, etc.)  You also don't want to go back to another crazed charismatic sociopath right after you did the Joker.

Bane, as an intelligent crimelord who uses steriods/PEDs, works pretty well I think.  And Catwoman lets you explore the gray morality area that Batman is in now that he's Public Enemy Number One, if you go with a Catwoman using crime as a tool of revenge against those who wronged her.

[K9]

It was suggested in another thread somewhere, but a Riddler in the vague shape of Kevin Spacey's character out of Seven would have worked very well in the Nolanverse.

[Ironwood]

I agree but I also think that Riddler is too close to Joker as someone's already mentioned.

Also, still laughing at Bunk.  It was 2 3rds of the way through the movie and everyone cheered.  How could you miss it ?

[K9]

I think you could draw a line between them, but I think you're right and trying to make the villains more distinct in personality is a good step.

I wholly expect Nolan and Tom Hardy to make Bane their own though, and I have faith that it will be pretty fantastic.

[stray]

I wholly expect Nolan and Tom Hardy to make Bane their own though, and I have faith that it will be pretty fantastic.

Yeah, the more I think about it, it's going to work... The only reason why I commented that Bane is not good enough for him is because he's mostly a masked character. Either way though, Tom Hardy knows how to play up the "scary". He's intimidating as hell as Bronson.. I can only imagine that Nolan is going to play this up.

[eldaec]

I can see Nolan doing a decent Bane, just don't give him a stupid mask and make the origin story a little more messy and urban.

Fuck Catwoman.

Catwoman is fan service almost to the same degree as Venom. I can appreciate Catwoman has had so much retcon you can do pretty much anything you damn well please with her, but you can see how this is going to go, 'Oh lordy lordy an aloof supervillian manipulating the peons for personal advantage, and a slightly dim hero who is public enemy number one, what shall we do'. I hope I'm wrong, and Nolan does something surprising and weird.

I never really understand why people think the Penguin wouldn't work, the only thing you are tied to is a taste for evening wear, and one or both of a speech or walking impediment. Clayface is easy enough as well, you just make him a non-supernatural expert mimic and away you go.

As for Ivy, Freeze, Croc, they are tougher, but Nolan's world can stand super-science and pretty far out characters, so long as it is presented on a suitable urban scale. The Joker was pretty fucked up, and Scarecrow went through most of the film using science indistinguishable from magic. The bigger issue would be how you fit them into the themes and human shit that the film needs, Joker, Scarecrow, Liam Neeson, Penguin, Clayface, Riddler even Bane are easier to give a psychological hook so they can interact better with the Bale angst machine.

I thought the Rachel character idea in both films was silly.  I was...well, kinda right on that one, but hey ho, they killed her.

Did I miss the end of the last movie or something?

This is fucking great - I mean, this defined the entire end of the film.

[eldaec]

Also I really hate the title.

I'm guessing that's a marketing dept special.

[stray]

I think stuff like the Penguin and Riddler veers more into the fanservice category than Catwoman. I'm a geek myself - but also one steeped in what other people like too, and I can't stand it when even geekier fans aren't in touch with that. Like they have to incorporate every random element into a story. Fan Fiction is the bottom of the barrel of this category, but we've already a seen a few movies do it now too (Spidey 3, X-men 3, and Wolverine to be exact). That's exactly what you'd get with the Penguin and Riddler, and not even  Nolan's (and his brother's?) writing skills would have an easy time making them work.

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film. They all jump the shark. And no, LOTR isn't it.. At least one of the sequels are lame, damnit. I'm not sure which. So.. I'd say just for this alone that Nolan should try not fucking it up and finally make a good trilogy for once.  

[K9]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Back to the future was on 'ok' triology. As far as catwoman is concerned it's not fanservice so much as adding a central part of the batman mythos to the story. If you ask someone to name people in the batman world you'd almost always come up with batman/robin/joker/catwoman.

[Johny Cee]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

The Man with No Name.

[Sand]

So would you classify him then as more chaotic neutral with anger management issues rather than chaotic evil?

He's a sociopath, not a misunderstood artist.

So are most CEO's and I wouldnt qualify them as chaotic evil. I never read the comics so Im trying to put it into D&D language I understand.

[stray]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

The Man with No Name.

Oh yeah?

Well... Screw the both of you for being right.

Hmm.. well, I'll just tone it down to "there hasn't been a good comic book trilogy" then. 

[Samwise]

I thought the Rachel character idea in both films was silly.  I was...well, kinda right on that one, but hey ho, they killed her.

Did I miss the end of the last movie or something?

Apparently you missed the last quarter of it.  It was a fairly significant plot point.

[Ironwood]

The Lord of the Rings was a fantastic Movie Trilogy.  I WILL END YOU.

RAWR, STAR WARS DEBATE !!!

[WindupAtheist]

*steps out from behind a bush right on cue*

You rang? 

[HaemishM]

I think Riddler could work very well, but I understand their reluctance to use him. It's not like he's been well-used in the comics recently either. Black Mask would make a good villain too, but it would probably stray too close to Joker crazy territory for comfort. And I mean the original Black Mask character, not what they've done with him lately. He started as a cosmetics magnate whose cosmetics horribly disfigured women who used them, who was obsessed with the masks we wear and who made all his flunkies wear all kinds of masks to do crime. But again, we've already seen a villain descending into madness, so no need to repeat.

If anyone could do Bane well, Nolan could so I'll reserve judgement until I see the Nacho Libre mask.

[eldaec]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

The Man with No Name.

El Mariachi

[eldaec]

Hmm.. well, I'll just tone it down to "there hasn't been a good comic book trilogy" then. 

In that case what was so terrible about Superman I-III?

[eldaec]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

The Man with No Name.

El Mariachi

Lethal Weapon

[Mrbloodworth]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

The Man with No Name.

El Mariachi

Lethal Weapon

Alien

[eldaec]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

The Man with No Name.

El Mariachi

Lethal Weapon

Alien

High School Musical

[Merusk]

Alien

   I didn't  hate 3, but it was really really weak and way beneath the other two in terms of overall quality for the series.   If you're counting it, you may as well count Star Wars because A3 was equal to ROTJ in terms of strength.

[K9]

I think we're just naming trilogies now.

[HaemishM]

Besides, there has never been a good trilogy in the history of film.

Back to the Future 

The Man with No Name.

El Mariachi

The last one blew goats.

[Merusk]

I think we're just naming trilogies now.

Well shit.

[eldaec]

Alien

   I didn't  hate 3, but it was really really weak and way beneath the other two in terms of overall quality for the series.   If you're counting it, you may as well count Star Wars because A3 was equal to ROTJ in terms of strength.

Hmmm, the only problem I had with 'n 3 is that it didn't belong in the Alien trilogy. It plays fine as a standalone movie, but alienates its audience by invalidating the entire second film and not having any real connection to the universe established in 'n and 'ns.

I have no issue crossing it off the list of good trilogies for that reason alone, but Alien 3 isn't actually a bad film.

[Mrbloodworth]

Alien

   I didn't  hate 3, but it was really really weak and way beneath the other two in terms of overall quality for the series.   If you're counting it, you may as well count Star Wars because A3 was equal to ROTJ in terms of strength.

Three was great.

[Bunk]

I agree but I also think that Riddler is too close to Joker as someone's already mentioned.

Also, still laughing at Bunk.  It was 2 3rds of the way through the movie and everyone cheered.  How could you miss it ?

Not that I missed it, just that my memory is now that bad. I've only actually watched Returns once.

[Bunk]

Good Trilogies...

Resident Evil? *ducks* 
um, Gingersnaps? (actually, I think it was, even if Schild is the only other person here likely to have seen any of them)

Personally, I'm glad they went with Catwoman. To me she's iconic and unlike some of his other iconic villains, not mega cheezy. Bane strikes me as a weird choice, as so many people, like myself who hasn't read a Batman since Killing Joke, have never heard of him outside of the dumb goon in the Schumacker drek.

And please, all of you feel free to continue mocking my inability to remember 1/3 of that movie. Even if it upsets me, I'm quite sure i'll have forgotten about it by next week.