Warrior protest

[Paelos]

I'm primarily arms as a warrior, and i'm dominantly in the 2H category. I don't go flopping around in groups a lot, so the defensive spec is pretty useless to me outside of the rare chance that I'm in an instance. The thing is that in this game the warriors aren't the best at aggro control and the defensive specs really suck IMO. There's no incentive to go that direction unless you know for a fact you are going to be grouped most of the time, and I know that I'm not. WoW isn't like DAOC in that respect.

[sidereal]

Also, it will ALWAYS be more representative than a place that is directly selected or piloted 'surveys'.

Not a statistics buff, are you?  Random surveys are one of the least biased sample methods available.  Selecting from a pool of people who self-select from the damaged/bitchy end of the player spectrum is woefully biased.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias">This may be helpful.

Webster, 45th Troll warrior, Spinebreaker

OMG, is your alt's name Arnold Jackson?  I'm petitioning.

[Fargull]

I'm loggin on to Spinebreaker and petitioning your name.  Dictionaries are offensive to me.

hehe.. yeah, I was trying to force "The Unabridged" as our guild name, but was out voted...

[Fargull]

I'm primarily arms as a warrior, and i'm dominantly in the 2H category. I don't go flopping around in groups a lot, so the defensive spec is pretty useless to me outside of the rare chance that I'm in an instance. The thing is that in this game the warriors aren't the best at aggro control and the defensive specs really suck IMO. There's no incentive to go that direction unless you know for a fact you are going to be grouped most of the time, and I know that I'm not. WoW isn't like DAOC in that respect.

Well, hope you never get charged by a warrior that then hits you with concussion blow(which is stance independant).  Being stunned for six seconds is a pain in the ass... especially if your a caster and that is followed up by Execute.  Sunder Armor is a huge skill at the higher levels.

[Hoax]

Damn I had been so good about just lurking, oh well one more forum to post in from work...


The warrior whine bandwagon went WAAAY too far long before this "protest".

I see all this stuff about tanking, yes they should be better tanks, right now Druids are one of the best tanks in the game (yeah you heard that right, more hp/amr then a pld, similar taunting powers to warrior).  Excepting a skilled defensive spec war, I take druid as the best tank in the game.

But I have a theory about all this crap u see on mmog forums these days.  We've been playing these damn things too long and all the asshats you guys hate so much have learned to do one thing:

Try to influence nerf/buffs in their chosen class' favor by starting petitions, holding sit-ins, starting massive threads, spamming the boards w/ nerf this, faking 1v1 videos where the warrior uses no skill and is using a weap he isn't at cap skill w/ ect ect ect.

I know I know, it sounds conspiracy theory but I'm serious.

In PvP the warrior is far from gimp.
They have the best combination of speed, both forms of dps (burst and sustained) and survivability of any class.

But if blizz fixes all of these "issues" at once?  Jesus I will not be enjoying being a cloth wearer.  As it is now a warrior that gets on me unloads a hamstring that I can not remove and gets to start the beatdown.  In any warrior fight I'm going to get crit'd for 300-700 two times at a minimum depending on the quality of their items.  At my level buffed (which is never thx shaman) I have almost 3k hp which is ALLOT for a priest.  But I get dropped fast and hard by a warrior, and killing a warrior is no joke.

Casters are really fucked if Warriors get even half of the boosts they are clammouring for.

Why can't they just change taunt?  The issues are pve not pvp.  

The class has broken skills maby more then others but I'm just so sick of this whiney warrior nerf/boost politics shit.

[Kageru]

I'm in two minds about the warrior protest. I don't really support it, but blizzard brought it on themselves by their silence. One of the blizzard forum monkies posted the thread "warrior <3" or some such and got almost unanimously trashed by the readers of the warrior forum, in a thread running to 20-30 pages.

Now normally forums are a turbulent mess of whining and counter-whining. However when you see a section of your population strongly unified, and openly hostile, it's time to consider expressing some sort of response. Even if only "this is the way it is, deal". In Blizzards case the guy never posted again in his own thread, and Enoyls, the guy who nerfed the warrior class at the end of beta, has been missing in action since launch (I even wonder if he's moved on to another project within blizzard). This leads to a feeling of desperation in some of the user base, of which the protest was a symptom. And it worked (which quite possibly sets a bad precedent) since they got developer response, albeit from one of the flunkies.

Blizzards silence, sluggishness and invisibility is generating a "lack of faith" in their user base.

[Kageru]

In PvP the warrior is far from gimp.
They have the best combination of speed, both forms of dps (burst and sustained) and survivability of any class.

You should have kept lurking.

[Rasix]

Blizzards silence, sluggishness and invisibility is generating a "lack of faith" in their user base.

Or just the small percentage of trolls and frothing fanbois that frequent the boards.  Really, we just went over this.

[Kageru]

The essence of it being that forums are not the complete picture, something self evident. However they may be indicative and they are populated by those who are likely to set the "tone" within the game. It is still in blizzards interests to counteract such trends.

Of course if blizzard has been doing statistical polling of a cross-section of the user base, or an important sub-community, and has firm evidence that the forum activity is a false indicator clearly they are correct in ignoring it. However does anyone actually believe blizzard is doing that? And even if that were the case posting a "we are happy with how things are working" would close the issue.

[Hoax]

"population strongly unified, and openly hostile, it's time to consider expressing some sort of response"

This is your evidence for warriors are in bad shape?

You realize that EVERY single class board has a shit-ton of giant threads where they lament the woes of playing xxx class under the oppressive regime of blizzard's horrible abuses.

We're talking:
Rogues - believe that vanish is so broken they can hardly play, complain about pally's because they can't auto gank them.

Mages (one of the best GvG classes) - still have some broken abilities but also whine about all these nerfs from before 80% of them were even playing the game.  Hell I saw them petition to get invisability back.

Priests (THE best 1v1 class) - We had a "priest improvement thread" where somebody suggested AoE sleep.  Also the priest board has been awash in whines since they "Stealth nerfed mind soothe OMG waaa" its a fucking PvE spell...

The only class I've seen have a massive whine thread that actually was just about broken abilities was hunters of all classes because their main buffs are so bugged its rediculous.

I think you should stop posting if your so blinded by the grand injustices that have befallen noble warrior players that you use the worldofwarcraft.com main board as citation that there must truly be a problem.

I would have been more convinced if your evidence came from foxnews.

[sidereal]

they are populated by those who are likely to set the "tone" within the game

Well that's a problem.

In my perfect world, Blizzard creates a couple of shards called 'Elite Realms' where all of the damage and hit point numbers are proportionally multiplied by 5, then only advertises them on the official forum, bleeding those ninnyhammers off of the real servers.

[Kageru]

Actually the PvP servers did a pretty decent job of filtering.

[Sky]

Blizzards silence, sluggishness and invisibility is generating a "lack of faith" in their user base.

Or just the small percentage of trolls and frothing fanbois that frequent the boards.  Really, we just went over this.

And a few days ago this was addressed by Blizz. Screw the fanbois who want Blizz to respond at their (the fanboi's) whim. Just present your facts and shut the hell up and let Blizz respond or not.

Anyway, yesterday it was reposted as a 'sticky', so I'll link that and not the original whine thread.

In short: the stuff that needs to be fixed is being worked on, the rest is called out as bullshit or explained. After listening to SOE dick around riflemen with the promise of a combat revamp that's still not around after a year and a half...warriors need to shut the fuck up.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, but really, most MMOG customers need to shut the fuck up anyway.

[Sky]

Yeah, remember the forum outrage over Iolo in Ultima 6? They nerfed the shit out of him, and Dupre was way overpowered and really needed the nerf.

Ah, the days when people played games more than they bitched about them. I blame Lum, of course. (;))

[Pineapple]

Nice new Watcher avatar, Sky.

[Signe]

Another baldy.  Everyone looks like that actor, Dim Vessel.

[schild]

Nice new Watcher avatar, Sky.

I agree. Now we need someone with Ego, the eater of worlds, as an avatar.

[schild]

Another baldy.  Everyone looks like that actor, Dim Vessel.

Brilliance.

[murdoc]

Nice new Watcher avatar, Sky.

Weird, I just read the Powerless trade and didn't know who the Hell that guy was, so I went and looked him up.

Now I see him everywhere. Pvponline's last couple of comics included him too.

[Kageru]

Yeah, but really, most MMOG customers need to shut the fuck up anyway.

Yeah, I *hate* forums where people bitch about MMORPG's. I hope I never end up posting on one.

[Sky]

What If....Conan had travelled to modern day NYC?

I used to read a lot of What Ifs as a kid, and I did just see Uatu on pvponline's strip. Since there was a bald thing going on, I went for it.

Maybe in between good Marvel film releases (which would probably be X-Men 3 and Spidey 3, maybe DD 2) we can get a Watcher-based flick with Vin Weasel!! I bet it'd be right up there with the punisher, hulk, and (I'm guessing) FF.

[sidereal]

Don't pick on Vin.  He's at a career low-point.

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[Signe]

Ack!  Goose abuse!

[Pineapple]

I agree. Now we need someone with Ego, the eater of worlds, as an avatar.

Eater of worlds.....there are only two that I know of.

Galactus is one.

My new avatar is the other one. She is doom incarnate.

[Der Helm]

The fact that on a forum you can only read from a small sample of the whole community doesn't mean that this sample isn't representative.

Actually it means just that. The smaller the group, the bigger the chance of it being not representative. Not that you would need representative feedback at all.