Vindictus (Mabinogi Heroes) Goes OB

[Ghambit]

Is there talk of more viable ranged mobs?  I hope so.  Game is just too easy; but maybe I'm just overleveled and geared.  I tend to be a min-maxer, gearjunkie, xp whore...  so typically in any RPG I'm grossly OP (and I dont skip missions).  I will say towards the later parts of the 2nd zone if you dont start spamming heals you WILL die a lot.  And if you dont repair armor and/or lay a campfire, likewise.

Granted, if they made the game more difficult overall then they'd have to adjust the BP requirements otherwise things would indeed get too grindy.  Right now, at least it's not hard to wail through a map in under 5 mins.

[Mrbloodworth]

Our version is apparently missing 3 classes.

[NiX]

Our version is apparently missing 3 classes.

They show up in the char select as "Coming Soon".

[kildorn]

Evie is going live in the US on the 27th of this month, apparently.

And also gone live is........


Silver tokens now refresh on Monday and Friday. Meaning you can now run roughly 50 instances a week without shelling out cash for gold tokens.

The forum rage on this "misc balance changes" note to the patch is.. hilarious. It pretty much forces the game into "I'll barely play and won't touch your cash shop" territory. Which is sad, because it's an absolutely wonderful game hidden under an absolutely insane microtransaction system. Seriously, 30 day cosmetic "rentals"?

[PalmTrees]

There's a ranged vampire type in boat 3. Throws a fireball with a nasty dot. Some bosses get a version as well. Difficulty ramps up a bit. Vampires and goblins finish their attack animation unless you hit them early, traded hits a bit before I got used to it. Vampires actually run instead of the slow gnoll shuffle.

Could still use some more difficulty on the minion end, bosses are ok I think.

Evie (caster type) comes out the 27th. No word when the remaining two will be added.

[kildorn]

There's a ranged vampire type in boat 3. Throws a fireball with a nasty dot. Some bosses get a version as well. Difficulty ramps up a bit. Vampires and goblins finish their attack animation unless you hit them early, traded hits a bit before I got used to it. Vampires actually run instead of the slow gnoll shuffle.

Could still use some more difficulty on the minion end, bosses are ok I think.

Evie (caster type) comes out the 27th. No word when the remaining two will be added.

Part of the minion issue is that they get interrupted by anything, and that season of macha doesn't increase their damage at all.

[Mrbloodworth]

There's a ranged vampire type in boat 3. Throws a fireball with a nasty dot. Some bosses get a version as well. Difficulty ramps up a bit. Vampires and goblins finish their attack animation unless you hit them early, traded hits a bit before I got used to it. Vampires actually run instead of the slow gnoll shuffle.

Could still use some more difficulty on the minion end, bosses are ok I think.

Evie (caster type) comes out the 27th. No word when the remaining two will be added.

Part of the minion issue is that they get interrupted by anything, and that season of macha doesn't increase their damage at all.

That seems to only apply to the boss.

[Falconeer]

MrBloodworth, you are so failing at news recently. Every time I see this topic updated I think it's you finally telling me it is going to be available to Europeans, and everytime you disappoint me. Not cool, buddy.

[Mrbloodworth]

 

[Nija]

If you want to play and you're not in the states, all you have to do is use a proxy to log in and get to the character select screen. Once you're there, kill the proxy (for latency reasons) and you should be able to play like normal.

No, I cannot help you find a US based proxy.

[Falconeer]

Oh. I knew about proxies, but I had no idea you could "kill it" on the fly. Wow, cool. Thank you.

[Pendan]

Game is just too easy

Rumor is the Korean normal is equal to either our macha or maybe even hard macha. My first death was a hair from level 20 on the Goblin Chieftain at macha. It and the polar bear only thing that have gotten me so far.

[PalmTrees]

They're offering a chance to bitch at devs irl. Dare you step from behind the forums?

 http://vindictus.nexon.net/News/Content.aspx?boardNo=100&contentNo=009uA&pageIndex=1

You have spoken, and we heard you. We’re sending out the call to experienced Vindictus players living in the Los Angeles area. If you are a Vindictus player level 20 or above, you may have a chance to come to the Nexon offices and share your ideas about the token system with us.

[Rendakor]

Evie (the caster girl) is now playable. Might actually fire this up again now.

http://vindictus.nexon.net/News/Content.aspx?boardNo=100&contentNo=009vt

[kildorn]

They also pretty much reverted the token changes. It's now reset 3 times a week, and you have 150 tokens. That was a fast fix to the pretty much ghost town the game had become in a lot of instances.

[Pendan]

I found the reaction to the previous token system a little odd. This game does not feel like something most would play enough every day to go through a ton of tokens. It is fun to do a few missions every day but how many times can you repeat the same content?

[kildorn]

I found the reaction to the previous token system a little odd. This game does not feel like something most would play enough every day to go through a ton of tokens. It is fun to do a few missions every day but how many times can you repeat the same content?

If you're leveling, it's easy to burn 50 tokens in 2 days due to the required grinding of content for items (crafted gear is the only option, and the mats are usually absurd) and the increased token costs after 6 missions.

Basically it was causing people to play for 2 hours one or two nights, then not play until the end of the week.

[Ghambit]

Again:
Decrease the token requirements (or increase allowance OR balance the turn-in requirements for tokens), lower the BP requirements, adjust the loot tables, and increase the difficulty.  Done.
As much as they said they were westernizing this game and it'd be nothing like Mabinogi, a Korean MMO is Korean it seems.   

Their main goal should be to AT LEAST maintain the playerbase till max level (no matter how long it takes to get there).  So far it doesnt seem like they're willing to do that.
Great game, great premise, badly executed - again.  Fuck's sake there's still only 3 toons to play and the game like RELEASES today yes?   

[Kageru]

I wish they'd mentioned it was IP blocked to be US only a little more prominently. Downloaded to experiment with it and getting "response delayed from server". Only on the forums did they mention I might as well have not bothered. And no, not motivated enough to use a VPN.

Oh well, Vindictus -> trash basket.

[Falconeer]

NECROH!


In the meantime, this game got released in Europe on the European Nexon website. It's open, free, and everything. And honestly, I think it's quite an awesome game. Not the deepest one, but so damn fun.

The prologue and the Title Screen/Opening Theme are awesome, best I've seen in a "mmo" ever?

[PalmTrees]

It is quite fun, gameplay wise. It's just that at higher levels there is a truly insane grind to get the components you need to craft your next set of equipment. I needed like 5 thorns from some mob. Killed like 100 of them, not a single drop. 1/day runs against the larger boss mobs like Titan and you need dozens of things he might drop.  Pisses me off thinking about how they ruined such an otherwise fun game. Loved countering mobs and shield smacking them across the room with my Fiona.

[Falconeer]

Yeah I can see where they are going with the grind. I wonder how they could have made it any different. After all, it's a Diablo clone with Final Fight combat style and deluded dreams of Demon's Souls grandeur, and for all I can remember Diablo is one of the grindest game ever even though we didn't really use the word at the time.

[DLRiley]

I don't remember mashing buttons in Diablo.

[Falconeer]

How come? Were you playing it with a steering wheel?

[PalmTrees]

Yeah I can see where they are going with the grind. I wonder how they could have made it any different. After all, it's a Diablo clone with Final Fight combat style and deluded dreams of Demon's Souls grandeur, and for all I can remember Diablo is one of the grindest game ever even though we didn't really use the word at the time.

I didn't mind rerunning missions and the boss fights. It stayed fun. It was just that I could spend a couple hours playing and have made zero progress towards collecting the components needed for my next set. I'm currently playing Dragon Nest, another Nexon game, similar format; action combat with small groups or solo running instanced dungeons. It's only had one or two places that made me curse the drop rate, and that was just me being stat hungry as the rarer stuff was not really all that much better than the common drop equipment. Unlike Vindictus where there's only the rare, low drop rate stuff to upgrade to.

[Falconeer]

I am gonna try Dragon Nest. I am enjoying Rusty Hearts a good amount, but Vindictus (available on Steam, that's cool) kind of wiped it away. I wonder how it is the drop rate there.

[Ard]

Yeah, I've been playing a lot of Dragon Nest also lately.  I find it more enjoyable than Vindictus.  This is also one of the few cases where the cash shop doesn't get in the way of playing the game, either in necessary items or in price.  Give the pvp a try once you get to 10 if you're at all interested in that.  It's actually a lot more reasonably done than most other MMO's, since it doesn't really scale off your gear or level, everyone gets boosted in stats, and you generally survive longer than 2 seconds.

[Falconeer]

Dragon Nest is, alas, not available in Europe yet.
I am loving Vindictus, though. I can see where this will go, with the mindless repetition, but so far (level 21) it's a joy. The Source engine is half the fun, the other half is the visuals, clothing and all.

What I miss is PvP. Where the hell is it? Isn't this game Korean?

[Mrbloodworth]

Dragon Nest

*Presses play*

You are not in available service regions (United State, Cananda)

Wut?

[kildorn]

Dragon Nest

*Presses play*

You are not in available service regions (United State, Cananda)

Wut?

Well do you live in either fictional country? No? Then it's not FOR you.

[Malakili]

I played the beta for this some time ago.  Its fun enough, but it didn't strike me as having a lot of staying power.

Total Biscuit is streaming the game right now:  www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit

[Kageru]

*Presses play*

You are not in available service regions (United State, Cananda)

Oh, glad I saw this before I went looking for a download, same as Vindictus then. I read the forums which are full of the usual, "good, don't lag our servers" but can't tell if it's the normal retardation or they actually are client hosting some of the instances. I assume the first.

[kildorn]

*Presses play*

You are not in available service regions (United State, Cananda)

Oh, glad I saw this before I went looking for a download, same as Vindictus then. I read the forums which are full of the usual, "good, don't lag our servers" but can't tell if it's the normal retardation or they actually are client hosting some of the instances. I assume the first.

Vindictus? Second. Not sure about the other thing. But Vindictus is quite peer to peer, connection quality wise.

[Falconeer]

From Wikipedia:

Nexon Europe has stated that Europe would be receiving the eXtreme Edition of the game.[4] Europe is the first region to not receive the Premiere Edition of the game, with a high percentage of European voters favouring the eXtreme edition shown during a poll set up on the official Facebook page of Vindictus Europe.

Seriously?

According to the same article:

Differences between the two versions (Premiere and Extreme):

Compared with Mabinogi Heroes, Mabinogi Heroes XE has the following major differences:[3]
A jumping system has been added. With the help of it, players can easily jump over small monsters and traps.
Players are able to strike monsters to the sky. In the game, players can take specific actions to hit the enemy up into the sky and launch combo attacks.
A combo system has been added. If players succeed in attacking the enemy continuously without being interrupted, they will gain combo points.
Additionally, the XE Version differs from Mabinogi Heroes in faster movement speed and higher damage of common attacks.

Does it mean that the American version doesn't have jumping, or the combo system? Seriously?

Or, is there anything in this video that is not in the NA version?

[Tyrnan]

For those outside the US and Canada wanting to give Dragon Nest a go you can play on the SEA version http://dn.cherrycredits.com/. It's still in open beta and last I time I played you could only level to 20ish. Ping is a bit of an issue but it's still playable enough.