Vindictus (Mabinogi Heroes) Goes OB

[Rendakor]

Anyone still have a key? This sounds interesting enough to give a shot. PM me if so. Thanks in advance.

[PalmTrees]

Grouping gets to be necessary imo. Multiple boss fights start becoming more common. Had a group of 4 but 2 dropped so it was 2 vs 3 boss mobs. We won, but it was touch and go. Technically if you're perfect in exploiting their patterns you could whittle them down solo, but you only have an hour per mission.

BP (Battle Points) comes from completing mission conditions: win with no potions, get a certain boss drop, etc. You can choose one, Oath of Honor, the otherd are specific to the mission.  Completing these objectives gives you money or xp as well.

Loved the over the shoulder toss during the Friends mission. Had a group of like ten gnoll vets chasing me, grab the lead and throw him into the pack. Much fun.

[squirrel]

This is actually kinda fun, combat is different and I like that I can do a dungeon in a half hour or so. I can see it getting repetitive but for the last 2 hours it's been enjoyable.

[Ghambit]

I've now moved into the next zone (storyline).

Once the next chapter starts, you start having to deal with tokens (it's generally two coins per boatride, but if you use the boat too often for one place [per day] the fee increases).  There's meta involved with this obviously and I anticipate the RMT will come into play here.  Coins can be had as rewards, but also for turnins such as 'dedication seals,' which you typically get as rewards for resurrecting someone.  You get a weekly allotment, but obviously it'll be peanuts since for now you can only hold a max. of 50 silver tokens.  So 25 runs per week plus whatever they give you (whatever that is).

Definitely need groups for SOME boss fights, like the 'Revenge' fight when you're dealing with 2 bosses (one ranged and one melee)... but, to me there's always a way to handle them solo.  You can pop +dmg pots, use gods graces, stronger secondaries, spec more for solo play, and so on.  Plus an hour is a helluva long time to clear a dungeon.

[FatuousTwat]

Do the AP rewards get toned down in the second zone? I seem to be only getting like 10-15 AP per instance now, when I was getting 30-40.

[Ghambit]

AP is goal dependant typically.  Otherwise you need to work on your Meditate skill (which generates AP passively).  Feels like there are more goals in the 2nd zone so I guess there's that.  One thing with this game is you really have to pay attention to the required goals (and alternate goals) in each battle along with titles/quests you may get (which can also give AP).  For instance, if you need to kill the Chieftain via spear, make sure you do so.  If you need "x" amount of BP in a zone, run it enough times to get it and you may get AP, etc.  (although as of now, I've not a single quest that gives AP)

[Zealser]

Hey I got 2 beta keys to give away! PM me and i'll get back to you as soon as possible.

[Rasix]

[Zealser]

"Scruffy's work here is done."

[Ghambit]

FYI, for those on the fence about trying this OB due to burnout or character loss:  There will be no wipes from here on out.... ever (even post-release).  They'll slowly introduce new characters, but whatever chars. you now have you will keep.  Why they're doing this with no payment model in place is beyond me, unless the content they intend to churn out will keep people interested.

I will say I'm starting to get a bit burnt in the 2nd zone, mainly due to playing with strangers.  It's rarely fun and it seems most people dont go for some real, challenging teamplay.  Many less folks doing hard and macha in the next zones... dumb seeing as how your tokens go much further if you're gaining 'hard' xp.

[Rendakor]

Finally got started; having some fun so far. What does BP do? Should I be replaying every mission trying to get all the side objectives, or just blowing through them?

[Cadaverine]

I believe BP is what you use to increase your skills.  You get bonus BP from doing the extra bits for the instances, like completing it with only 2 people, or under a certain time, etc.  I forget what those are called atm.

[Rendakor]

They're called Oaths of Honor. But, you use AP to improve your skills, not BP.

[Ghambit]

BP is just used to make goals in a quest or sub-mission and to make the pre-requisite to do the next battle zone.

[Rendakor]

Wow, I wish I knew that. I had been farming every mission for every silly little goal because I assumed BP were useful.

[Ghambit]

Wow, I wish I knew that. I had been farming every mission for every silly little goal because I assumed BP were useful.

Well, most of the "silly goals" also give XP.

[Rendakor]

Yea, but I feel pretty over-leveled; I'm 4 levels or so ahead of the level of my quest zones.

[Ghambit]

CB ending on the 5th.  OB starting on the 13th.  Here's what's in store for the OB.  (quite a list of cool things they're adding)

Of note; guilds, another town, more character customization, and weapon 'slotting.'

[Rendakor]

No new character class yet? SON I AM DISAPPOINT.

[Ghambit]

OB started today with the new features discussed.  Also, microtrans is now active (avatar and supply shop) and there's now voice chat.

[Falconeer]

Uhm. Can't play. No matter what I do, once I get to the menu where it says "START GAME", it goes to "Disconnected from server, please log in from webpage again".

[Ghambit]

Uhm. Can't play. No matter what I do, once I get to the menu where it says "START GAME", it goes to "Disconnected from server, please log in from webpage again".

Perhaps it's an NA only OB.  You're from the Planet Irata.

[Falconeer]

Oh? That would be so inconvenient.  

Can you log in no problem, even now?

EDIT: Yeah, North America only. Fuck your planet.

[Mrbloodworth]

Briefly plaid this last night, seems solid, nicely polished and some great visuals. Combat is rather fun, if a bit to get used to. Some of the systems confuse me, but I only played for an hour.

[Lantyssa]

It gets brutal later.  Soloing the Gnoll Chieftain is .

[Mrbloodworth]

Have I said how much I enjoy this combat system?

[Ghambit]

The combat system is pretty neat, but the game leaves more to be desired in the difficulty and depth realms, unless you solo.  The moment you get grouped the dungeons get way too easy - at least up until the 3rd zone... which I havent tried yet.   So far, I think the reality is the dungeons arent actually the highlight of the game.  The itemization and skills are.

[PalmTrees]

Yeah, a couple people throwing spears and you can stunlock bosses. But you don't even need to go that far. Solo is much more challenging, especially as I move into Ainle and learn the new bosses' patterns.
I'm enjoying the game and the storyline is decent so far.

Cash shop is  though. Things like new hairstyles and new underwear are rental only. Maybe I was doing it wrong but dying equipment was pay (in game not $) money for a random dye.

I did a nextflix trial and tossed them $5 to get enough nx to pick up a permanent inventory addition. Omg, so many components, so many drops and you don't know what you're gonna need.

[Bzalthek]

It's not going to keep my attention long, but grabbing shit by the neck and then skull fucking them 7 ways to Sunday is awesome. 

And I prefer throwing rocks at bosses.  Those things hurt more than swords, apparently.

[Engels]

you have to rent your underwear?

[Mrbloodworth]

The only thing of worth int he shop is the + storage and perhaps some of the self revives. Everything else I don't care about and or is fluff.

[kildorn]

This is far more fun than it has any right to be. Though I can feel some grind setting in about halfway through the second area. Gear ingredient drops and such make for shitty armor upgrade paths, and I seem to be short on level to advance the main quest. And that's with going back and doing a bunch of the first area a number of times (soloing the chieftan is fun! It just involves throwing a small building at him. Kobolds with slingshots? FAR more annoying to solo)

[Bzalthek]

Gnoll chieftain is one big grind wrapped up in a single encounter.  Fucking jesus.  He's not hard, but you have to fucking pink him to death or play some retard stone throwing game.

[kildorn]

Gnoll chieftain is one big grind wrapped up in a single encounter.  Fucking jesus.  He's not hard, but you have to fucking pink him to death or play some retard stone throwing game.

Every end chapter boss seems to be "run around, hit with giant rock, melee him for one combo, repeat for a solid two minutes"

My main issues with the game are the grind for some gear, and the absolutely absurd lag some peers give me.

Also: gnoll chieftain on hard mode with season of macha = lawl, was NOT expecting to get oneshot by his AE from full health.

[Mrbloodworth]

Gnoll chieftain is one big grind wrapped up in a single encounter.  Fucking jesus.  He's not hard, but you have to fucking pink him to death or play some retard stone throwing game.

Or use hooks from two people to hold him down.

Also: gnoll chieftain on hard mode with season of macha = lawl, was NOT expecting to get oneshot by his AE from full health.

Oh yes. Hopefully your entire group was not caught like one of mine the other night.



It dawned on my the other night what may explain Gambits perceived "difficulty" issues. While the combat system is fun, utility based (and by that i mean its not just different named "skills" with increasing numbers and different particle FX). The game lacks its other classes at this time, and as most games do, likely do not have the mirror classes for MOBS on the other side that math as well. I have yet to see a caster. The inclusion of ranged magic will greatly change how encounter go.

/end likely simple revelation

ANYWAY. I would love to do some full group stuff in this. If anyone will be on tonight, give Grimst a shout.