Minecraft - f13 Server is: chugging along... again (Read OP)

[Bzalthek]

Build if you wanna (I still am.)  The map will still be available to download (I believe) so you can port it to a single player.  But the actual smp map will be a new one once the halloween update hits.

[Yegolev]

I am mostly just playing around with lava, making questionable construction decisions.

It might be best to wait for NiX to take a shit on the map before touring it, for stability reasons.

[Paelos]

I'll just start my new building project after this weekend's vacation then.

[NiX]

I am mostly just playing around with lava, making questionable construction decisions.

It might be best to wait for NiX to take a shit on the map before touring it, for stability reasons.

On that note, we should probably plot out how much space we're reserving around spawn for community things.

[Bzalthek]

Train depo, spiffy little spot for a Hell Portal... Can't think of much atm.  Actually, probably just have a simple rail from spawn to the train depo, so it doesn't clutter up the initial spawn.  Maybe a subway.

[Samwise]

Lay a couple of streets and mark off 10x30 lots for townhouses IMO.

[Zaljerem]

Train depo, spiffy little spot for a Hell Portal... Can't think of much atm.  Actually, probably just have a simple rail from spawn to the train depo, so it doesn't clutter up the initial spawn.  Maybe a subway.

Lay a couple of streets and mark off 10x30 lots for townhouses IMO.

I like these ideas. I also suggest we try to build the more mammoth structures a bit away from the spawn to help prevent the crashing that was going on (though, to be honest, I don't know if it's still happening; I haven't been to the spawn in days).

[Zaljerem]

I think we also need a huge "f13"  (a la the "HI!", only larger) and a compass rose while we're at it for the directionally challenged. :)

[Bzalthek]

Yeah, I'm going to be working on a land mass well away from the spawn.

[Malakili]

What kinds of community things do we want at spawn?  I think we need to figure that out before we can designate a certain amount of space.   Here is a bit of a list:

-A train station (if minecarts are working well) a chest or two full of minecarts
-A dock if near water, same caveats as train station
-Some communal chests with basic gear inside.  Especially useful if monsters are going to be working and death is a reality.  Having easily accessible kits basic gear so people can get back on their feet more quickly seems like a good community service, and we could build up the stores pretty easily.
-Big f13 sign
-some kind of hub with roads going off in every direction (maybe less roads or no roads if minecarts, more roads if no minecarts). I think people who go out and start building in certain areas should be responsible for hooking up any road systems to the main highways, if they want their stuff easily accessible.

Other ideas?  Mine are of course open to criticism, i basically just came up with them off the cuff and from what other folks have said.

[tgr]

If we do have working monsters at that point, then definitely a well-lit house around the spawn point to start in, in case they pop up during the night time.

[FatuousTwat]

Something I've been thinking about doing is building a castle, then farmlands/a village around it, increasing the size of the castle, building a wall around the village and kind of organically growing it into a medieval city. I'd want it to be large, maybe a few hundred buildings, even if 90% they are just generic small storefronts, houses and apartments. Some unique buildings such as churches (eventually a cathedral) would make up the other 10%.

Also, I'd love to have an (optional) underground highway system, and more underground stuff in general would be nice as well. It seems like almost everything really large that has been built has been above-ground. In fact, an all underground server would be pretty awesome (just as an idea, I'm not expecting this server to implement that).

[Bzalthek]

The biggest problem I forsee with the coming update is Notch saying the lower you go the more resistant to light the monsters are. 

[Ironwood]

Surely that's the wrong way around ?

[Bzalthek]

Not from what I understand.  Notch uses classic conventions for a lot of stuff, and this looks like he's following the "lower level dungeon = harder monsters."  Since there's no actual leveling or that many monsters, the only real changes you can make is how much light will keep them at bay.

[Malakili]

Not from what I understand.  Notch uses classic conventions for a lot of stuff, and this looks like he's following the "lower level dungeon = harder monsters."  Since there's no actual leveling or that many monsters, the only real changes you can make is how much light will keep them at bay.

I like the idea in principle.  It seems like once monsters properly hit multiplayer though, there is going to be a fairly drastic change in the way we play, build, etc.

[tgr]

I've absolutely no problems with that, none at all. After all, the lower you go, the rarer the materials you can get your hands on.

[Ironwood]

Possibly that'll stop people delving too greedily and too deep.  Who knows what things they could awaken in the darkness ?

(Fuck, I still want my hybrid.)

[Yegolev]

I'm thinking lava moats.

[NiX]

Maybe monsters will stop the TNTTards

[Ironwood]

What do they do ?  (I assume they do it with explosives...)

[NiX]

Fill stuff with TNT. Blow it up. Do nothing with it. They couldn't do it underground, no. They have to leave gaping fucking holes in the earth.

This upsets me.

[Samwise]

How do you even make TNT on a with no monsters?  Creepers are the only source of gunpowder, aren't they?  Or are these people cheating as well?

[fuser]

What kinds of community things do we want at spawn?  I think we need to figure that out before we can designate a certain amount of space.   Here is a bit of a list:

-A train station (if minecarts are working well) a chest or two full of minecarts
-A dock if near water, same caveats as train station
-Some communal chests with basic gear inside.  Especially useful if monsters are going to be working and death is a reality.  Having easily accessible kits basic gear so people can get back on their feet more quickly seems like a good community service, and we could build up the stores pretty easily.
-Big f13 sign
-some kind of hub with roads going off in every direction (maybe less roads or no roads if minecarts, more roads if no minecarts). I think people who go out and start building in certain areas should be responsible for hooking up any road systems to the main highways, if they want their stuff easily accessible.

Other ideas?  Mine are of course open to criticism, i basically just came up with them off the cuff and from what other folks have said.

Some are covered but here's some expanded ideas:
-Spawn city limits, 1000 blocks or larger radius around it is a no touch zone and reserved for community projects. Say a f13 city or something or a with a lot of bar charts. 
-Underground stuff would be awesome, everything could start as an underground stations with tracks/minecarts if its stable. The tunnels would need to done which would be an underground highway leading north/south/east west with smaller stations and feeder lines to projects.
-Central hub/station have the four major direction wings in gold, brick, stone, etc so its easy to follow "take the gold line to xyz, or red line to xyz". It's like a community project after the tunnel is built to replace the bricks with all the smelted stuff.
-If signs and stuff work message boards, artwork, etc used in the central station for decoration/news.

[Bzalthek]

For the starter zone I'd like to find a common depth for the area which is underground so there can be a flat subway system underneath.  Personally I'd like to have a tasteful building with various cart paths heading into tunnels with signs overhead stating where they go (I would like to have continental or area names for this purpose).  Pull out a minecart from a chest, plop it on the rails, you go down into the tunnel and encounter the booster cart back up to the level of the rails.  Once outside the start zone, the rails can go above ground for scenic views.  I would really like to have mutiple local hubs for short rides and also express tracks for longer jaunts.  I'm working in single player to see how far a booster cart can propel a cart before slowing down.  Also have to keep in mind return trips.  Don't want people running into each other and be stranded in the middle of nowhere, though /home is probably what most people would do.

[Malakili]

For the starter zone I'd like to find a common depth for the area which is underground so there can be a flat subway system underneath.  Personally I'd like to have a tasteful building with various cart paths heading into tunnels with signs overhead stating where they go (I would like to have continental or area names for this purpose).  Pull out a minecart from a chest, plop it on the rails, you go down into the tunnel and encounter the booster cart back up to the level of the rails.  Once outside the start zone, the rails can go above ground for scenic views.  I would really like to have mutiple local hubs for short rides and also express tracks for longer jaunts.  I'm working in single player to see how far a booster cart can propel a cart before slowing down.  Also have to keep in mind return trips.  Don't want people running into each other and be stranded in the middle of nowhere, though /home is probably what most people would do.

Will signs be working?  That would be ideal.   I also like the idea of having lines labeled by material.  Don't even need to make the whole building/tunnel of that material, just every 5 blocks or something to get the point across.

[Bzalthek]

Signs already work in multiplayer.

I like the building material idea too, but perhaps only just the arch that the cart enters. After that it's mostly darkness and the occasional torch. (For starters.  If we have surplus material it would be simple to go back and refurbish the lines.

[Malakili]

Signs already work in multiplayer.

I like the building material idea too, but perhaps only just the arch that the cart enters. After that it's mostly darkness and the occasional torch.

Ah..truthfully I haven't played much since the patch that added night time, only a bit here and there, so I don't have a great idea of whats working and what isn't these days.

[Bzalthek]

No worries.  I've tapered off considerable since school started up, and spend a lot of time in single player experimenting.  Fucking pigs/sheep/cows/ducks keep suiciding on my rails!

[Yegolev]

If someone is considering replying to Samwise, do it in such a way that I do not learn how to make TNT.

[Samwise]

I haven't even messed around with TNT in single player yet, but I do have a small stash of gunpowder saved up.  Maybe now that I've finished building my tower to the skybox I'll try blasting a vertical tunnel to the bedrock underneath it.

[Yegolev]

This is one of the reasons that the floor of my tower on the F13 server is made from obsidian.

[tgr]

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/TNT

happy to help.

[Samwise]

But where do you get gunpowder if there are no creepers?

[Bzalthek]

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