The Perfect Sweet 16 Birthday Gift: Botox

[Mosesandstick]

How did you get along with the mother for that long? 

[Bunk]

How did you get along with the mother for that long? 

It takes more than five minutes?

[Nebu]

How did you get along with the mother for that long? 

Sometimes you don't learn things about people until after you divorce them.

[LK]

I bet Drumm got big tits to help her career just like she got Botox for her face, even though there is something wrong with her cleft. Jesus what the hell is that.

Sometimes it's not about looking good yourself but manipulating others for your own needs. Or is that one in the same?

[Lantyssa]

Poll: Is it acceptable to give your 18 yr. old daughter breast implants as a high school graduation gift? Not that I even have a daughter, just wondering if I'm the only one who thinks thats bat-shit retarded.

My (non-existant) daughter would be allowed implants when she's physically mature enough to be fully developed and mentally mature enough she feels she doesn't need them.

Zen as it sounds, that's my take.  There are still reasons one might one them, however the main reason cannot be thinking they'll improve your self-worth.  (It's one of the reasons I've never done so myself.  I'm still far too critical of my own physique.)

[Paelos]

Were I to have a daughter I would absolutely never pay for implants. That's a decision you make as an adult who doesn't rely on the support of your parents.

That being said, I think most of the time that implants are obvious, low-class, and tacky.

[Vision]

My ex-girlfriend one day told me her parents told her that if she went to college in state, they would pay for a boob job.  Not that I would have minded the physical change.....but part of me just thought it was wrong.

[Selby]

If you want boobs, by all means get them.  But don't expect them to be some magical cure-all for your self esteem issues or automatically make people like you.

[01101010]

If you want boobs, by all means get them.  But don't expect them to be some magical cure-all for your self esteem issues or automatically make people like you.

But sadly, it does make men like you, most of them at least. 

[Nebu]

I'll never understand why any woman would want the kind of man that fake boobs are likely to attract.  Apparently they don't get that part. 

[Paelos]

Creepy men are just a side effect. 

[Selby]

I'll never understand why any woman would want the kind of man that fake boobs are likely to attract.  Apparently they don't get that part. 

There's definitely alot of "they shouldn't ogle and stare at me!" attitude that goes along with it.  I don't get it personally.  If you get them obviously fake, people are going to stare and that same breed of man is going to ogle and drool.  Sounds to me like a sign you went with the wrong size or poor surgeon choice ;-)

[Ratman_tf]

Poll: Is it acceptable to give your 18 yr. old daughter breast implants as a high school graduation gift? Not that I even have a daughter, just wondering if I'm the only one who thinks thats bat-shit retarded.

Obviously, acceptable or not, some people are gonna do it.
I wouldn't. Let her live a few years on her own dime before deciding that thousands of dollars for fake titties is a great idea.

[Nebu]

I'll never understand why any woman would want the kind of man that fake boobs are likely to attract.  Apparently they don't get that part. 

There's definitely alot of "they shouldn't ogle and stare at me!" attitude that goes along with it.  I don't get it personally.  If you get them obviously fake, people are going to stare and that same breed of man is going to ogle and drool.  Sounds to me like a sign you went with the wrong size or poor surgeon choice ;-)

My comment was more meant to be: If you use superficial means to attract a man, you're going to attract primarily superficial men. 

I learned quickly in medicine that the kinds of women that get breast implants are largely using them as bait to attract wealthy, materialistic men.  You get what you fish for. 

[Morat20]

Other than things like having a plastic surgeon do reconstruction for severe injuries, you probably shouldn't be having any sort of cosmetic surgery until your body is done growing.

After that, well -- if my kid wanted it, I'd say LASIK would be something I'd 'gift' a kid for (assuming I could afford it, of course) as soon as the surgeon said he was old enough to have it safely. Breast reduction surgery, for a physical problem (I know one person that had it at 21, due to serious back problems. She's still pretty busty, but a lot happier). A few others -- mostly to correct actual physical problems.

For sheer 'I want to change my looks just because'? As soon as they can afford it themselves.

[Mrbloodworth]

I'll never understand why any woman would want the kind of man that fake boobs are likely to attract.  Apparently they don't get that part. 

All men are likely to be attracted however. Its like instinct or something. It may be why they were put on the front.

[Paelos]

I know plenty of guys who aren't attracted to fake tits, especially if it's obvious. Different strokes and all that, but not every dude is around saying, "Huger tits? WHOOPEE!"

Honestly, I think getting fake tits can also have the side effect of suggesting you're a brainless idiot. This doesn't bother the already aforementioned idiots.

[Sky]

All men are likely to be attracted however. Its like instinct or something. It may be why they were put on the front.

Except you're wrong, since people have already expressed dislike. The vast majority of fake boobs are awful, porn has become a frankenstein show. One of the top ten most beautiful females I've been lucky enough to be with was extremely small-chested...and it did nothing to mar her beauty, if anything her confidence in the face of what would make most women either self-conscious or get surgery was even sexier. I guess it helped that she was almost painfully beautiful.

The only thing worse than fake boobs is botox on the face, especially the lips. Shannon Tweed paid a lot of money to fuck herself up.


I guess if you have a fetish for the Joker and the bride of Frankenstein, ymmv.

[Morat20]

You want fake tits to look real? You need two things:

1) A very good surgeon.
2) A reasonable/subtle increase.

Americans don't do subtle. Even a full cup size is a pretty hefty change, and the bigger the change, the more obviously fake it is -- no matter how good the surgeon. Going from A to C or B to D is just going to look bad, but mainstream porn is all about bigger tits --- unless they're doing "oops, I'm barely legal" shit and I bet even that's seen cup size inflation.

There's also probably some basic bias going on -- a good boob job is the one you don't notice, and a bad one is the one you do. So you see lots and lots of bad boob jobs, and probably don't even notice the ones that just had subtle work done.

Then again, I like boobs and don't know why you'd take a knife to them without a good reason. (Like, you know "I'd like this tumor removed" or "My back hurts 24/7")

[Tebonas]

As someone who has never put up with a fake boob girlfriend (they are not that common over here anyway), do even those subtle increases feel real?

[Teleku]

In fairness, I've known a number of girls that got boob jobs because they see them as a fun body modification, along the same lines as tattoo's and body piercings.  These were the type of women who had crazy dyed hair, dressed funky, and pierced all over, but I guess if your going to do those other things, getting a bob job isn't that much different.  So I can appreciate that if your into body modification as a whole concept.  But most chicks aren't.  They just want big boobs so people will like them.

[HaemishM]

What do you jagoffs have against big boobs? Better boobs through science is the work of the Lord. 

[Sky]

What do you jagoffs have against big boobs?

Nothing at the moment. 

It's more about misshapen, odd textured, scarred boobs than the size.

[HaemishM]

The only problem I have with fake boobs is when the butcher leaves bad scars. Other than that, bring on the balloons!

Of course, that's for women old enough to make up their own mind (and pay for their own damn boobs). 16-year olds and plastic surgery are a bad combination.

[Trippy]

You want fake tits to look real? You need two things:

1) A very good surgeon.
2) A reasonable/subtle increase.

3) Go to Japan to have it done

[Musashi]

All men are likely to be attracted however. Its like instinct or something. It may be why they were put on the front.

Except you're wrong, since people have already expressed dislike. The vast majority of fake boobs are awful, porn has become a frankenstein show. One of the top ten most beautiful females I've been lucky enough to be with was extremely small-chested...and it did nothing to mar her beauty, if anything her confidence in the face of what would make most women either self-conscious or get surgery was even sexier. I guess it helped that she was almost painfully beautiful.

I was going to post something similar to what Bloodworth said.  If you're assuming most fake boob jobs are botched porno/stripper monstrosities, then you probably have a point.  But assuming the boob job is tasteful, then I think all heterosexual men are attracted.  Of course if men know they're fake, then they might have a negative philosophical reaction - which you may or may not understand or agree with.  Maybe they rightly think that the kind of person who gets her boobs done is too superficial for their taste.  But if you don't know they're fake, and you see nice tits, you're attracted.  It's physiological.

[Sky]

True, I don't have much experience in the matter.

[Lantyssa]

One of the top ten most beautiful females I've been lucky enough to be with was extremely small-chested...and it did nothing to mar her beauty, if anything her confidence in the face of what would make most women either self-conscious or get surgery was even sexier. I guess it helped that she was almost painfully beautiful.

So the one exception out of ten was small chested, but really it was because she was also painfully beautiful and extreme self-confident despite her size...  and there's wonder why those of us not so lucky get a little self-conscious at times?

[Mrbloodworth]

Its not about big or small, its about proportion.

All men are likely to be attracted however. Its like instinct or something. It may be why they were put on the front.

Except you're wrong, since people have already expressed dislike. The vast majority of fake boobs are awful, porn has become a frankenstein show. One of the top ten most beautiful females I've been lucky enough to be with was extremely small-chested...and it did nothing to mar her beauty, if anything her confidence in the face of what would make most women either self-conscious or get surgery was even sexier. I guess it helped that she was almost painfully beautiful.

I was going to post something similar to what Bloodworth said.  If you're assuming most fake boob jobs are botched porno/stripper monstrosities, then you probably have a point.  But assuming the boob job is tasteful, then I think all heterosexual men are attracted.  Of course if men know they're fake, then they might have a negative philosophical reaction - which you may or may not understand or agree with.  Maybe they rightly think that the kind of person who gets her boobs done is too superficial for their taste.  But if you don't know they're fake, and you see nice tits, you're attracted.  It's physiological.

Kinda what I was getting at.

[Sky]

So the one exception out of ten was small chested, but really it was because she was also painfully beautiful and extreme self-confident despite her size...  and there's wonder why those of us not so lucky get a little self-conscious at times?

You, my dear, have nothing to worry about. You're perfect.

I was just trying to illustrate that breast size had nothing to do with beauty, sorry if it came across the wrong way. There is something very wrong with a man who can't be attracted to a woman just because she doesn't have a couple balloons on her chest, but then some guys are repulsed by women with short hair. Whatchagonna do? (Another of the more attractive women I've been with had a mohawk and was then bald).

[Lantyssa]

S'okay, I'm picking on your word choice.  And thanks.  I've accepted my lot even if I do secretly wish the Boob Fairy makes another fly-by on some days.

[Morat20]

I'd imagine there are women out there who wouldn't mind if the boob fairy took some of theirs and redistributed it a bit more fairly. Genetics can be harsh, and breast size seems to be one of those things that screw women coming and going.

Too small? You don't fit society's view as 'attractive' (even though, strangely, heroin-addict thin models with smaller breasts somehow form the basis of another part of society's ideal beauty). Too big, and you're often deemed less capable or dumber.

Of course, this is America. We're pretty fucked up about that sort of thing. :)

[Cadaverine]

For some reason the Armour hot dog song popped into my head. 

I can see saying someone is not personally attractive because they're too thin, but bitching because their breasts are too small?  Crazy talk.

Milla Jovovich being a prime example.

[tgr]

Yes, big boobs bring on the "whoa boobs *stare*" thing, but I personally enjoy it much more if they're NOT overly endowed in the boob department. I guess it's just me being nerdy, but I prefer it when the women don't have huge cleavages that just end up sucking up all your attention, because that leaves less time for what I'm more interested in: the person inside the meaty bag of mostly water.

[Engels]

tgr's last interchange before the divorce proceedings

"Honey, do these pants make me look fat?"
"You're a meaty bag of mostly water honey."