The Perfect Sweet 16 Birthday Gift: Botox

[LK]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37925133/ns/health-skin_and_beauty/

“If you’re not using the muscles to create wrinkles in the first place, they’re not going to appear,” says Drumm, who estimates she’s had about 15 or 16 procedures so far. “Why would I stop if it’s going to help me prevent having wrinkles that I don’t want?”

Just...

[Sky]

Wrinkles are attractive. People are stupid.

[01101010]

Not to worry... she'll eventually end up on the internet doing ass-to-mouth. These people always do - I love the "shocked" reaction after it gets "leaked."

On a more serious note, I agree lore. What I'd like to know is: if you were to use Botox that often and for a lengthy duration, would your muscles atrophy to the point of no return?

[Mrbloodworth]

You really needed to add her image under the quote for relevant impact and credentials on the subject.

[Paelos]

It's already one of those odd scenarios where the bottom half of her face is in her 30s and the top half is 12.

[Morat20]

Amusingly, my wife got told by her neurologist that the only FDA-approved treatment for --- I forget what it's called, but "twitchy eye" is what I call it -- is botox. :)

Which means my insurance covers it. And they'd do both sides. And her response is "But I don't fucking WANT botox. I just want my goddamn eye to stop twitching around whenever I'm tired".

I wonder how many people try to fake twitchy eye to get free botox? (Seriously, it looks annoying as fuck whenever she's exhausted enough for it to start twitching around like that. I'd go nuts if it was me. But I guess she's used to it.)

[RhyssaFireheart]

So this woman is going to eventually have a baby-smooth face and the rest of her is going to be wrinkly prune hell?  I've seen some people like that.. they are beyond scary looking.

[Nebu]

I wonder how many people try to fake twitchy eye to get free botox? (Seriously, it looks annoying as fuck whenever she's exhausted enough for it to start twitching around like that. I'd go nuts if it was me. But I guess she's used to it.)

I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing.  Next you'll claim that people feign handicaps to get a parking tag or fake migraines to get access to medical marijuana.

[01101010]

I wonder how many people try to fake twitchy eye to get free botox? (Seriously, it looks annoying as fuck whenever she's exhausted enough for it to start twitching around like that. I'd go nuts if it was me. But I guess she's used to it.)

I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing.  Next you'll claim that people feign handicaps to get a parking tag or fake migraines to get access to medical marijuana.

Wait a god damn minute... weed for migraines? Son of a bitch, I moved out of California way too soon.

[Trippy]

It's good for treating asthma too.

[Morat20]

I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing.  Next you'll claim that people feign handicaps to get a parking tag or fake migraines to get access to medical marijuana.

Who needs weed when you have Topomax? I don't get migraines (she does -- that's why she was meeting with a neurlogist!) and her reaction since finally actually getting medication for it, instead of suffering in the dark for a few hours, has been amusing. I can't recall if Topomax is the 'on-onset' one or the daily one, but whatever the 'on-onset' one is...

She says "I feel a migraine coming on", takes a pill that dissolves in 10 seconds on her tongue, and then spends two hours spazzing about how "the oncoming headache just drained away in minutes".

As awesomely fun as weed can be, it's got nothing on that. Then again, I view the rampant prescription abuse of weed just another argument for why it should be legalized. I'm hoping by the time I'm 50 I can light up without worrying about random drug tests.

Until then, I am forced to go without. Texas doesn't do medical marijuana.

[01101010]

I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing.  Next you'll claim that people feign handicaps to get a parking tag or fake migraines to get access to medical marijuana.

Who needs weed when you have Topomax? I don't get migraines (she does -- that's why she was meeting with a neurlogist!) and her reaction since finally actually getting medication for it, instead of suffering in the dark for a few hours, has been amusing. I can't recall if Topomax is the 'on-onset' one or the daily one, but whatever the 'on-onset' one is...

She says "I feel a migraine coming on", takes a pill that dissolves in 10 seconds on her tongue, and then spends two hours spazzing about how "the oncoming headache just drained away in minutes".

As awesomely fun as weed can be, it's got nothing on that. Then again, I view the rampant prescription abuse of weed just another argument for why it should be legalized. I'm hoping by the time I'm 50 I can light up without worrying about random drug tests.

Until then, I am forced to go without. Texas doesn't do medical marijuana.

I'd love to try that out, its too bad the great wizard that controls my insurance does not have that one listed on his magic potions scroll.

[WayAbvPar]

You really needed to add her image under the quote for relevant impact and credentials on the subject.

Looks like she got tits for her next birthday.

[LK]

I didn't want to really put my opinion out there without gauging the crowd.

There is something wrong with her cleft. That's all I can see. Also, nice rack, yes.

[Merusk]

You really needed to add her image under the quote for relevant impact and credentials on the subject.

Looks like she got tits for her next birthday.

No no no.. it's Tits at 13 when your friends are developing and you aren't. Botox at 16 when smiling and not your 40 hours of tanning bed use per week are what's causing wrinkles. A tummy tuck/ lipo at 18 & 21 because gravity's a bitch and not because you've never done a day's work/ sweated when exercising because muscles are unsightly.

[Sjofn]

I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing.  Next you'll claim that people feign handicaps to get a parking tag or fake migraines to get access to medical marijuana.

Who needs weed when you have Topomax? I don't get migraines (she does -- that's why she was meeting with a neurlogist!) and her reaction since finally actually getting medication for it, instead of suffering in the dark for a few hours, has been amusing. I can't recall if Topomax is the 'on-onset' one or the daily one, but whatever the 'on-onset' one is...

She says "I feel a migraine coming on", takes a pill that dissolves in 10 seconds on her tongue, and then spends two hours spazzing about how "the oncoming headache just drained away in minutes".

I think I currently use Imitrex for my airplane migraines (my head hates descending apparently) and it really is pretty goddamn amazing how quick that shit works. I love living in THE FUTURE.

I had never heard of pot being good for asthma! IS THERE NOTHING IT CAN'T CURE

[Nebu]

Topiramate is used as a migraine preventative (as well as many other things) while sumatriptan is used to treat acute onset of migraines.  Both are excellent medications, but differ in their use and action. 

Not to turn this into a pharmacology thread... I just was mocking the way people lie in order to manipulate the health care industry to serve their needs.  It seems to span the gambit from Botox, to pot, to morphine derivatives.  Hell, my ex is an ER doc and can go on for days about how the internet has helped narc seekers become much more savvy in their attempt to get controlled pain medications for their personal addictions as well as to sell for a profit.   Go go health care on a for profit model!

[Abagadro]

Amusingly, my wife got told by her neurologist that the only FDA-approved treatment for --- I forget what it's called, but "twitchy eye" is what I call it -- is botox. :)

Has she seen an ophthalmologist?  I had a twitchy/spasmotic eye and it was a problem with my prescription (ironically it was too good). My eye muscle kept trying to focus my vision and got out of whack.

[Sjofn]

Stupid bodies, why can't they just work right.

[Merusk]

They were designed by an MMO dev, what do you expect? 

[apocrypha]

Hmm, I get the twitchy eye thing, really badly sometimes. Particularly troublesome when you're a photographer and you're trying to focus a camera. Didn't even occur to me to see a doctor about it, I might mention it next time I have to go in for something less trivial-feeling!

Do we have a migraine thread? I'm sure it'd be a busy one if we do. I used to get them and they responded to rizatriptan if I took it in time, but since I gave up working for a University I haven't had a single one in 3 years. Stress-related I think! My girlfriend gets them regularly and they occasionally respond to rizatriptan, sumatriptan does nothing and the side effects of the rizatriptan hit her really badly regardless of whether or not it works. Personally I suspect stress is the main factor with her too.

Botox/cosmetic surgery at 16? Yeah great, we've created a society that alienates people from their own bodies. I'm also caught in the middle of this - the main thing people ask me to do with photos of them is retouching blemishes, wrinkles, love-handles, farmer hands and (oddly) lumpy knees. I've yet to meet a model who was happy with the way her knees looked!

[Sky]

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If I still lived in CA, I'd be eligible for that sweet, sweet medical marijuana (glaucoma precursors, albeit stable and probably won't lead to glaucoma according to my doc). Stupid VT doesn't prescribe for that.

[Morat20]

Amusingly, my wife got told by her neurologist that the only FDA-approved treatment for --- I forget what it's called, but "twitchy eye" is what I call it -- is botox. :)

Has she seen an ophthalmologist?  I had a twitchy/spasmotic eye and it was a problem with my prescription (ironically it was too good). My eye muscle kept trying to focus my vision and got out of whack.

No, I'll mention it though. She's had it for two decades, through numerous eye doctors and glasses -- I doubt it's that. The neurologist was confidant it was neurological in origin, and that botox is the treatment. Her mom ALSO has it, so the odds are it's not the glasses.

Still, doesn't hurt to check.

Nebu: That's the stuff. She's still working up to her full dose of Topomax, but she's had two migraines since getting the meds and the 'onset' stuff snuffed it out before it got going. She's pretty damn thrilled to have that option. :)

[Arrrgh]

I hope it works out for you, but when my wife tried Topomax she turned into such a 24/7 raving bitch from hell that she had to stop. She was also mentally sluggish and didn't like that.

[Ironwood]

What the heck's going on in this thread ?

[01101010]

Only thing about Imitrex with me is: it makes me feel worse than the migraine but once it wears off, the blistering headache remains. Relpax as well, complete crap. Bring on the joint.

Marijuana is not far from being an anti-aging agent as well...as it makes time fly by without you recognizing its effects.

[NowhereMan]

This discussion of drugs and medical procedures makes me wonder if there is a huge cultural difference between the UK and US in medical treatment or if I've got some great fun to look forward to after 30.

[Nebu]

This discussion of drugs and medical procedures makes me wonder if there is a huge cultural difference between the UK and US in medical treatment or if I've got some great fun to look forward to after 30.

There is and yes you do.   

[Morat20]

I hope it works out for you, but when my wife tried Topomax she turned into such a 24/7 raving bitch from hell that she had to stop. She was also mentally sluggish and didn't like that.

She's been warned of the potential side effects.

I had a similar reaction on dilantin --- of course, that was back in the ancient days when your choices of anti-seizure drugs were 'tegretol -- we're probably destroying your liver' and 'dilantin' and under dilantin I made the stoners look alert and well-focused.

I went with 'liver destruction' (luckily, mine handled it fine until something better came along) and now I use a minimal dose of Keppra which doesn't seem to have any side effects.

But yeah, I'd have taken the seizures over the way I felt on dilantin. Mentally sluggish doesn't really convey the feel. It's like that stage of sleep where you're just awake enough to be more than a passive agent in your dreams, but not awake enough to be sure it's a dream or act coherently. Except it's all the time, and you're awake.

[Cyrrex]

This discussion of drugs and medical procedures makes me wonder if there is a huge cultural difference between the UK and US in medical treatment or if I've got some great fun to look forward to after 30.

Americans are INSANELY over-medicated.  We have drugs for everything, and almost everyone is on something.  I'd wager that half of the posts here are either invented issues or highly exaggerated, though of course I can't prove it.  The point is, we are largely full of shit.  Happily, there's a drug for that, too.

Sorry for the rant, but this subject bothers me.  I'm sure none of you are abusers.   

[01101010]

This discussion of drugs and medical procedures makes me wonder if there is a huge cultural difference between the UK and US in medical treatment or if I've got some great fun to look forward to after 30.

Americans are INSANELY over-medicated.  We have drugs for everything, and almost everyone is on something.  I'd wager that half of the posts here are either invented issues or highly exaggerated, though of course I can't prove it.  The point is, we are largely full of shit.  Happily, there's a drug for that, too.

Sorry for the rant, but this subject bothers me.  I'm sure none of you are abusers.   

I agree, and can safely say I am not on any regular medication. I also question the diagnosis of my migraines - could be severe stress headaches or cluster headaches, but my PCP seems to gravitate to migraine.

Drugs for everything is precisely what the companies want. A medically addicted society is pure profit - esp with drugs you can not stop taking or drug cocktails that you have to take all of in order to "fix" one problem due to the target medication's side effects that also have to be treated. It really is fascinating when you think about it.

[Nebu]

Americans are INSANELY over-medicated. 

The average American will have 10 prescriptions per year (not necessarily concurrently).  Yes, we are over medicated. A good portion of my research centers on Drug-induced disease states.

Americans abuse their bodies for their lifetime and then demand a magic bullet cure in their final hours.  It's a primary reason why our health care system is so fucked.  Since we're service oriented, we pander to the self-abuse from our population because it's more profitable than prevention. 

/rant off
 

[Morat20]

Americans are INSANELY over-medicated.  We have drugs for everything, and almost everyone is on something.  I'd wager that half of the posts here are either invented issues or highly exaggerated, though of course I can't prove it.  The point is, we are largely full of shit.  Happily, there's a drug for that, too.

How does one exagerate migraines or seizures? Maybe I just had a really strong shiver mis-diagonsed?

01101010: I wouldn't trust your PCP with a migraine diagnosis. See a neurologist. It's pretty easy to differentiate between migraine and cluster headaches (they present totally differently), for one -- and stress headaches are rarely confused with migraines by someone with an actual knowledge of both. A good neurologist will take the time to make sure, unless you come in with symptoms that are so classic you might as well be the poster-child for it. (Auras and well-defined triggers, to name two).

Nebu: 10 isn't much, man. If you have migraines, that's 2 right there. Any infection or bacterial illness will add one or two per episode. If you took 10 prescription pills a day, that would be one thing. Getting 10 filled scripts per year? Not really.

[01101010]

01101010: I wouldn't trust your PCP with a migraine diagnosis. See a neurologist. It's pretty easy to differentiate between migraine and cluster headaches (they present totally differently), for one -- and stress headaches are rarely confused with migraines by someone with an actual knowledge of both. A good neurologist will take the time to make sure, unless you come in with symptoms that are so classic you might as well be the poster-child for it. (Auras and well-defined triggers, to name two).

Would love to, but need a referral from the PCP for my insurance to accept it. I love working for a health care institution that has my balls in a vice for any medical that I may need. Definitely will prod the doc soon enough.

[LK]

10? Is that at the end of life? Because I'm lucky to have one or two to deal with something, but for the most part I've spent most of my life unmedicated. Hell, I reject psychiatric solutions to my problems most of the time, which has proven to be smart as life factors were a major cause rather than some chemical imbalance -- life reasons which, once fixed and I accepted those that I couldn't, made things a lot better.